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Thread: Oblivion 'Hot Coffee'?

  1. #26
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    Registered: Apr 2006

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulukai
    "Oblivion is a sick new game in which your child can walk into a virtual church, murder the clergy and his congregation with their weapon of choice, strip them buck naked, then snort lines of substances off the altar. Ban this filth now."

    Ask and ye shall receive:
    http://www.gamespot.com/news/2006/05..._&subj=6148897
    Well maybe not a ban, but along those lines. They bumped it up to an M for mature when they found out about the boobies that can be accessed through modding on the PC version. It's especially funny how they claim it's also because of the excessive violence, but then they end up only banning the version that has the boob potential.
    I am getting sick to death of this kind of attitude in the ratings boards and the government in general. I realize the ESRB is only doing this to cover their asses when Hilary comes a knockin', but this is just stupid. The nudity is only accessible through 3rd party modifications! It is necessary to apply an after market mod to see anything! In the film industry this is like changing the rating of a movie based on photoshopped nude images of the stars appearing on the web! Only even that is not as bad, since you don't need to buy the whole film to see them.
    I'm also sick of them being more offended by the nudity than the violence, but that's a whole other battle...

  2. #27


    Just another example of humanity's infinite stupidity. You can kill practically everyone in that game, but only up until we start seeing bare mammaries that have to be unlocked with the use of 3rd-party mods do they notch up the rating.

    Add me to the list of people who are pissed about the ESRB and unattentive parents considering something as minor as a pair of naked breasts worse than any violence. Sure, sex can go way too far, but it's not much compared to those who murder in the most grisly ways possible.

    Hell, why don't we up the ratings of Morrowind as well? Or even games like Quake and Unreal that have nude skins?

    It's just skin, people. Just because someone glimpses a teat doesn't mean they're going to turn into sex-crazed rapists or anything like that...then again, humanity's pretty fucked up like that.

    ...Okay, so I basically re-iterated my points over and over. But I'm PISSED!

  3. #28
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: The Land of Make Believe
    Oh ESRB. I think that's the most pathetic thing I have heard all year.

  4. #29
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    Registered: Jan 2002
    Location: Ohio
    They like to feel important. They're like Mall Security guards.

  5. #30
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    Registered: Nov 2004
    Location: Mu
    The ESRB raised the rating to "M"! It's the end of the world!

  6. #31
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    Registered: Mar 2003
    Peeper, the trouble is that raising the rating of a game can (potentially) lower sales. Don't you have to be 16+ to buy an M rated game? Or maybe fourteen... Regardless! Bethesda lost a large market of underagers.

    Also, I want to see those boobies :erms:

  7. #32
    BANNED
    Registered: May 2005
    Location: Columbus, Ohio
    It's 17+ in USA, RB. And this is a lot bigger than you may or may not think. This is because Bethesda put nipples on the actual meshes, and all you have to do is remove the 'bra' thing. I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of this.

  8. #33
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    Registered: Sep 2002
    Location: First floor
    My European Collector's Edition box has the rating "15 - Contains moderate violence."

  9. #34
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    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Cowering in Cryo Recovery B
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulukai
    "Oblivion is a sick new game in which your child can walk into a virtual church, murder the clergy and his congregation with their weapon of choice, strip them buck naked, then snort lines of substances off the altar. Ban this filth now."
    That kind of implied that the player has some kind of pinko free will.

    As JT would have it: "...a sick new game in which your child walks into... murders... snorts..." not can, but DOES. I sometimes think that these people watch one video of a not-so-good player running amok and assume every gaming experience is like this. Like a MOTION PICTURE?

    Like the MOTION PICTURE asshat association or whatever?
    wtf are MPAA doing regulating games anyway? It's as if the ATF started prosecuting screencampers.

  10. #35
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Does anyone here think that this brouhaha because of breasts and nipples (where's Jeff from Coupling when you need him?) isn't utterly silly?

  11. #36
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    Registered: Dec 2001
    Location: Marlboro, MA, USA
    All the primary sources seem to indicate that the ratings change is more about the extensive blood and violence that they have further reviewed, and very little about the boobies
    The Keep for Thief 1 and 2 FMs, Shadowdark for Thief 3 and Dark Mod FMs

  12. #37
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    Registered: Mar 2003
    Quote Originally Posted by Fig455
    It's 17+ in USA, RB. And this is a lot bigger than you may or may not think. This is because Bethesda put nipples on the actual meshes, and all you have to do is remove the 'bra' thing. I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of this.
    *sighs* I suppose so. Though the boobies don't actually look all too great. I think the nipples are actually the guy nipples stretched across the female mesh, though I may be wrong. I'm still fairly certain Bethesda didn't mean to do this.

    But yeah, I have to admit, there is a good bit of violence in Oblivion. I think it's perfectly fine, but the less desensitized among may think this warrants a change in rating.

  13. #38
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    Registered: Nov 2001
    Wait? Bare breasts are fine provided they don't have nipples?

  14. #39
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    Registered: Dec 2001
    Location: Marlboro, MA, USA
    Quote Originally Posted by dvrabel
    Wait? Bare breasts are fine provided they don't have nipples?
    That's how Japan Manga comics work - big round nippleless boobies

  15. #40
    BANNED
    Registered: May 2005
    Location: Columbus, Ohio
    I was SHOCKED to learn it was rated Teen. Based on the Violence and Gore alone.

  16. #41
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2001
    Location: Marlboro, MA, USA
    Yeah, I would say it's an M game from the get go, so this news is no big deal to me, but it is odd why it got changed, or was mis-rated in the first place
    The Keep for Thief 1 and 2 FMs, Shadowdark for Thief 3 and Dark Mod FMs

  17. #42
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2004
    Location: Mu
    ...raising the rating of a game can (potentially) lower sales.
    Pfft. As if having an "M" rating ever stopped anyone from buying GTA:SA or Doom3.

  18. #43
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    Registered: Dec 2001
    Location: Marlboro, MA, USA
    Quote Originally Posted by PeeperStorm
    Pfft. As if having an "M" rating ever stopped anyone from buying GTA:SA or Doom3.
    Actually, yes, it has. All things being equal, harsher rated games (and movies) always sell less. It's just the market.

  19. #44
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    Registered: Feb 2004
    Location: At the MW forums. NZ
    Quote Originally Posted by Komag
    That's how Japan Manga comics work - big round nippleless boobies
    Mhm...Its kind of stupid. The entire ratings system is based on nipples. You may have noticed khajiit and winged twilights were bare chested in MW...but its ok because they don't have nipples I think the reason is that with things like Khajiit and winged twilights you can't actaully tell they are bare chested and the only way to determine that in a far manner is to check if they have nipples too. I wonder if nipples on guys raises the rankings too.

    I think Bethseda should mock the ESRB by removing all female's bra's but make them nippleless so ESRB can't do anything about it.

    In another article on the subject I read a couple of days ago it said that Bethseda had already ticked the highest level of violence on the ESRB application form, it sounds like ESRB just wants to feel big.

  20. #45
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Cambridge, UK
    Quote Originally Posted by dvrabel
    Wait? Bare breasts are fine provided they don't have nipples?
    No-nipple rules are fairly common. The problem is that it's generally considered acceptable to have some of the breast showing (as the average bikini leaves uncovered), but it's difficult to draw up a useful rule on how much is too much. 'It's okay as long as the nipples aren't in view' is fairly easy to check and enforce, however. You then, of course, end up with workarounds, such as the nippleless breast or, in the case of the boarders at school who had to abide by such a rule in their houses, Blu-Tack.

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