posted June 12, 1999 02:17 PM            

Why the animosity? Well, I hate cheaters. They are whiney clumsy idiotic people who are mostly kiddies (I dislike kiddies, you know, they are so stupid), and they will overflood this forum with their idiotic threads such as "Hey, MASTER-KILLER****!!SDAFHASF-Clan!!**** has done the entire game in 11 Minutes and killed everyone. Huh-huh-huh! He is really A c00l guy!! Huh-huh-huh!"

posted June 12, 1999 03:16 PM            

Secondly: You clumsy idiot are too clumsy to shoot me into the leg.

Thirdly: You dick-head were never able to tie me to a chair. And even if so, you would more likely get a huge surprise by myself after a few seconds.

posted June 12, 1999 03:19 PM            

Lytha shoots the TBK a broadhead in the butt as he runs away in his terror. The TBK starts whining now.

posted June 12, 1999 03:47 PM            

8 arrows for the guards at Baffords? You are more clumsy than I thought you was.

posted June 12, 1999 04:36 PM            

Like how to get into the front gate of Bafford's without alerting the guards.

(Datoyminaytah dodges a hail of arrows from the other forum members.)

posted June 12, 1999 05:41 PM            

(Paz turns, and looks from Lytha to the cheaters and back again)

Guess not.

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"Catching halos on the moon,
Gives my hands the shapes of angels." Paz

posted June 12, 1999 05:42 PM         

http://www.eidosgames.com

There's a Thief forum there that is more friendly to your approach. Bye!

(update: they actually went. hihihi )

posted June 12, 1999 06:13 PM            

I am a cheater to. If you want to know how to achieve God Mode and all the arrows without a true hack then E-mail me at bkranz@primary.net

posted June 12, 1999 07:21 PM            

Lytha (and anyone who gets upset because of cheaters):

c'mon let those people do what they want to. Why do you bother at all? They won't have as much fun with the game as we did but still it's their game and their experience that gets spoiled!
It's your right to state your opinion on cheating but you shouldn't get personal and insulting. Especially cause it was Gracius Night who asked the question (and not Black Knight who in fact showed some trollish behaviour).

Gracius Night:

I know cheats can be fun (anyone played Ultima 7? ) especially when you have already beaten the game.
Starting to cheat a game you haven't beaten yet often is a sign of a bad (unbalanced) game (And that definitely isn't the case with Thief). Or a sign that the game isn't fun for you.
Recently I played Unreal in god mode. Why? Well I think I wanted to take a look at all the fantastic graphical effects. And I didn't want to spend too much time on this Of course I wouldn't do this with a game I paid for (Unreal came with the SBlive) for it takes away most of the fun. But I don't have much fun playing First Person Shooters anyway.

The Black Knight:

I don't really know what I think about you. I can understand if you are mad at people insulting you because you want to cheat but on the other hand your really stupid questions on the TEG forum make you look like a troll.
And I don't think you get what kind of a game Thief is. Complaining about Lytha killing you with one arrow shows that you haven't found out how to play the game yet.
You can indeed kill the guards with one shot ... you just have to sneak and hide so that they don't notice you!

Btw turning off caps lock might give people a better impression of you. I am sure ...

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Ymochel
The Dark Elven Thief

posted June 12, 1999 08:00 PM            

hmmm.....
i'm in an asian mood so
Curried TBK with an onion couscous...
or maybe a nice gracius night rouladen with a pesto olive tempenade
or..
a lovely seared rack of cheater with a loverly raspberry port reduction
or maybe a persimmon cinnamon sauce...

DROOOOOLLLLL ~
mmmm.....a newbie burger would sure hit the spot now

posted June 12, 1999 09:12 PM            

I remember the U7 cheat! I lost my instruction manual so I had to use it to get out of Trinsic. Although the temptation was great, I never touched that big stack of magical armor and lightning whips and so forth. And I'm glad I didn't.

U7 ranks as one of my favorite games because of all the little things you can do... bake bread, forge swords, explore all of the little islands...

I'm feeling nostalgic.

posted June 12, 1999 09:15 PM            

Of course if you want to actually play U7 again you shouldn't use the cheat. But it was so much fun using the "hackmover" and building your own houses with your own NPCs patrolling (or dancing or whatever) in it.

posted June 14, 1999 09:50 AM            

And now for some additional historical gesturing I think this whole thread needs, concerning the Battle of Agincourt (received this from a friend).

According to research, here's the true story of: Giving the Finger...

Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore be incapable of fighting in the future.

This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew" (or "pluck yew"). Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, "See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!"

Over the years some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say (like "pleasant mother pheasant plucker", which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows for the longbow), the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter.

It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird." And yew all thought yew knew everything!

posted June 14, 1999 03:49 PM            

The first appearance in print was in code, in a poem called Fen flyys. The poem was written in mockery of the friars of Cambridge.

There was a line:
"Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk."

"Non sunt in coeli, quia" means "They are not
in heaven, since" in Latin.

"gxddbov xxkxzt..", the coded bit, is easily broken, by substituting each letter with the one that precedes it in the alphabet. Their alphabet was slightly different, so the coded bit is:

"fvccant vvivys of heli."

"Fvccant" is a faux Latin form of the obscenity.

Heli = Ely, a town near Cambridge.

The whole thing translates as, "They are not in heaven, since they f*** wives of Eli."

posted June 14, 1999 11:11 PM            

get a large pick axe and your game cd

nuff said

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Bed

posted June 25, 1999 06:24 AM            

thank you of bringing up my treatise about the Battle of Agincourt, I am very grateful for that.

Now, about elitism that stinks to high heaven. Your nose there so high-up? Or is it just us so low?

I admit that there are sometimes very heated words said about people who cheat when playing Thief.

Now, lets assume us being a NY Yankee fans (I know this is very hard for you). We are watching a ballgame at Yankee Stadium in The Bronx (always The Bronx). The pitcher for Boston is throwing obvious spitball. What would you yell?

Or if the baseball is not familiar to you how about this: A soccer forward for Bristol kicks the goalie of Liverpool in the groin while passing by? Or NY Jets linebacker clips Dan Marino?

That what’s the cheating with Thief is for us.

Go and get a better example, if you please.

posted June 25, 1999 07:05 AM            

1. Do you really think you are going to be kicked out? I don’t. (See my previuos post here) Anyway, in a remote case that it might happen I will make certain that DN will smell the rotten fish [ ] before I will be kicked out [just because I have not seen you insult anybody really personally, yet ]

2. I really hope that the following is not your signature

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We fear those we can't understand and hate those we can't conquer....

[This post intercepted by Digital Nightfall. Sparrow, my long lost son, how could I ever ... but your friends ...]

posted June 26, 1999 04:03 AM            

Shooting them in the face 5 times?

Do you know that you aren't supposed to pretend that Garrett is Duke Nukem?

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If you want god mode and unlimited arrows and unlimited money, get the +2(or +3 or +4) trainer off the Net somewhere. Just do a search for 'Thief trainer.' You'll find it. BTW: Cheating sucks. I just collect trainers and cheats for after I complete a game and decide to have fun. Or if your HD crashes and you want to rush through the first few levels to get back to where you were. I didn't do this, however.

Cheating sucks, but, as mentioned above, I think that another forum for cheating is a good idea. That will keep them separate from us (thinking of persons like Lytha).

I could easily put on god mode and explore the Bonehoard, but I'm not and I haven't. I would have finished the game already if I did. That would be a waste of time, since anyone who cheats to complete a game didn't really work for it.

One place where my philosophy falls apart is that I tend to use the built-in cheats for games like Carmageddon and Doom. If they are built in, then I feel it is sortof alright. I still don't use them all the time.

Also, since I use Thief 1.14, not 1.33, I don't think there are any built-in cheats. So therefore, I do not feel it necessary to cheat in Thief. I personally find the game challenging, but I still don't cheat.