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Thread: General Fan Mission Review And Discussion Megathread

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    General Fan Mission Review And Discussion Megathread



    In this incredibly talented fan mission community we have a wealth of fantastic missions to play - and I often find myself playing a FM and thinking "(insert thing) is great about this FM - I wish more had things like it" or basically just wanting to share a funny screenshot of a situation that I came across or even just to kill some time talking about FM's in general - so with the permission of Nightwalker and Pavlovscat I dub this basically our "water cooler" discussion area for everything Fan Mission related.

    Some things we can choose to talk about in this thread include:

    * Your thoughts on a recently played fan mission
    * Features you liked about certain fan missions
    * Your favorite fan mission moments
    * Thief Porn (screenshots of beautifully made fan missions or screenshots in general)
    * Constructive criticism about fan missions or things that bug you in general. Please limit this to maturely worded discussion and do not resort just to slagging on a FM or author - and keep it civil! No name calling or anything else of that sort - though wouldn't expect anything like that from this community.
    * Basically any general chat about fan missions that have been completed or even anticipation for upcoming fan missions!

    Please do not discuss the following here:

    * Bug reports - obviously those do not belong here.
    * Gameplay problems or hint seeking - please do not ask for completion tips on certain FMs - please refer to the fan missions thread that has already been created so that the author and others may better find your question to help you.
    * Dromed issues or technical support getting the game running.
    * Anything else that isn't general chat related.

    Basically - picture yourself sitting around with a bunch of like minded fan mission fanatics discussing random thoughts about fan missions of the past, present and future - thats what we're going for here. And have fun with it!

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    Below you'll find all the missions covered in this thread thus far listed in alphabetical order (see the post following this one for a listing by date added)

    Quick Jump To Reviews And Screenshot Collections: (Alphabetical)

    A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z T2X TDM

    Screenshots

    Odds and Ends

    Quick Jump To Various Discussions


    Thief Gold/Thief Metal Age

    A

    Abominable Dr. Dragon, The (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    Ack! There's A Zombie In The Basement! (SneakyJack) (Random Taffer's LP)
    Acid Trip, The (SneakyJack)
    Acid Trip, The/Unholy Vivid Innocence (The Mike)
    Affairs Of Wizards, The (SneakyJack)
    Airship, The (intruder)
    Alliance (SneakyJack)
    All Torc Part 1: Welcome To Robington (SneakyJack)
    All Torc Part 2: Are We There Yet? (SneakyJack)
    All Torc Part 3: Fort Montoya (SneakyJack)
    Amnesia (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Amoral Dilemma (SneakyJack)
    An Old Friend (SneakyJack)
    Art Of Thievery, The (SneakyJack)
    Ashcourt (SneakyJack)
    Ashen Age, The (SneakyJack)
    Ashes And Dust (SneakyJack)
    Augustine's Revenge, TDP (Melan) (Thor)
    Awakening, The (fortuni)

    B

    Bad Debts (The Mike) (Mman)
    Bad Hangover (The Mike)
    Bad Intentions (SneakyJack)
    Bafford's Bone Collection (SneakyJack)
    Bane Part I: Keep Of Deceit (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Bane Part II: Cult Of The Damned (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Benny's Dead (Sycamoyr)
    Better Tomorrow, A (Thor)
    Between These Dark Walls (Thor)
    Black Frog, The (quakis Off Site Review) (Thor)
    Bloodmist Tower (SneakyJack)
    Bloodsport (Jah) (The Phantom)
    Bloodstone Prison (fortuni)
    Bloody Flounder Inn, The (SneakyJack)
    Bonds Of Mine (SneakyJack)
    Book Of Prophecy Part 2: The Hidden City (SneakyJack)
    Bones Episode 1: The Old Quarter (Azaran)
    Brawl In The Tombs, A (PotatoGuy)
    Breakout (SneakyJack)
    Broken Triad (SneakyJack) (The Mike) (Mman) (quakis Off Site Review)
    Burglary In Blackbrook (SneakyJack)
    Burgomaster, The (fortuni)
    By Order Of An Unknown (SneakyJack)

    C

    Calendra's Cistern (fortuni) (klatremus' LP)
    Calendra's Legacy Part 1 (SneakyJack) (klatremus' LP - Act 1)
    Calendra's Legacy Part 2 (SneakyJack) (kamyk)
    Calendra's Legacy Part 3 (SneakyJack)
    Captain of the Guard (The Mike) (Random_Taffer's LP)
    Cataclysmic Revelations (quakis OS Review)
    Children Of The Future SE (SneakyJack)
    Christmas Present (SneakyJack)
    Chronicle Of The Metal Age: Chapter 1 (SneakyJack)
    Circle Of Strain Part 1 (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review Pt 1) (quakis OS Review Pt 2) (fortuni Pts 1-3)
    City Conflict Missions 1-5 (Summer)
    Claw Of The Tiger (Thor)
    Clocktower, The (SneakyJack)
    Cloister Of Lazarius, The (SneakyJack)
    Collector's Greed (SneakyJack)
    Conspiracies in the Dark (PotatoGuy)
    Cryptic Realms (Sir Taffsalot)
    Cult of the Resurrection (fortuni)
    Curse of the Ancients (fortuni)
    Curse of the Falcon (Jah)

    D

    Damsel In Distress (SneakyJack)
    Dead of Winter, The (quakis OS Review)
    Deadly Darkness (fortuni)
    Death of Garrett, The (skacky) (quakis OS Review)
    Debt Repaid, A (SneakyJack)
    Deceptive Perception (PotatoGuy) (Thor)
    Deceptive Perception 2 (The Mike) (Thor)
    Deep Trouble (intruder)
    Deep Trouble 2: City Under The Sea (intruder)
    Den, The (Jah)
    Diamond, The (SneakyJack)
    Dire Return, A (The Mike)
    Disorientation (SneakyJack) (PotatoGuy) (The Mike) (Mman)
    Docks... All Aboard, The (Sycamoyr)
    Dracula Reloaded Prologue (PotagoGuy & Thor)
    Dracula Part 1: The Love Thief (PotagoGuy & Thor)
    Dracula Part 2: The Return (PotagoGuy & Thor)
    Dracula Part 3: Traitors of Poenari (Thor & PotatoGuy)
    Dracula Part 4: The Dark Throne (Thor & PotatoGuy)
    Dracula Part 5: The Final Chapter (Thor & PotatoGuy)
    Dracula: Epilogue and Conclusion (The Two Reprobates)
    Drymian Codex, The (The Mike) (Thor)
    Dyers' Eve (SneakyJack) (The Phantom)

    E

    Eastwater Bank (Thor)
    Eclipsed (SneakyJack) (The Mike)
    Elizabeth Bathory Part 1 (The Juggler)
    Elizabeth Bathory campaign (Summer)
    Emilie Victor (Jah)
    Escape from Hammer Hill (Summer)
    Events in Highrock (Azaran) (fortuni)
    Evirath's Misery (PotatoGuy)
    Eye Of Ruthaford, The (SneakyJack)

    F

    Fables of the Penitent Thief (SneakyJack Part 1) (SneakyJack Part 2) (quakis OS Review) [URL="http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124349&p=2098340&viewfull=1#post2098340"](The Mike)
    Falling Down (SneakyJack)
    Five Tigers Part 1: HBS Iron Butterfly, The (Summmer) (quakis OS Review) (intruder)
    Five Tigers Part 2: Eye Of The Tiger (Thor)
    Finals at the Academy (The Mike)
    Firefly (SneakyJack)
    Fletcher's Final Mistake (SneakyJack)
    Flowers For A Friend (SneakyJack)
    Flying Age (Overview) [url=http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1887711#post1887711](Thor)
    Flying Age Part 1 (Thor)
    Flying Age Part 2 (Thor)
    Flying Age Part 3 (Thor)
    Flying Age Part 4 (Thor
    Flying Age Part 5 (Thor)
    Flying Age Part 6 (Thor)
    Forbidden Rites (SneakyJack)
    Forgotten Forest (quakis OS Review) (JarlFrank)
    Forgotten Forest 2 (JarlFrank)
    Fortress By the Sea Version 2 (The Phantom)
    Fourth (4th) Planet (SneakyJack)
    Friend in Need, A (SneakyJack)
    Friend in Need 2: Unnecessary Risk (SneakyJack)
    From Beneath The Sands (Thor)

    G

    Gathering at the Bar (fortuni)
    Gathering At The Inn (Thor) (quakis OS Review) (Summer)
    Garrett To The Rescue (SneakyJack)
    Garrett To The Rescue Part 2 (SneakyJack)
    Gerrard's Temple (SneakyJack)
    Ghost House, The (SneakyJack)
    Gold in Fort Knocks (fortuni)
    Greyfeather Gems 2: Rodamill (Thor)

    H

    Hammerhead: Return to the Docks (Sycamoyr)
    Hammerite Imperium (The Mike)
    Hammerite's Brutality (SneakyJack)
    Hand of Glory, The, TDP (Thor) (quakis OS Review)
    Happy New Year, Mr. Lambert! (SneakyJack)
    Haunted Hospital, The (SneakyJack)
    Hazelshade Cemetery (SneakyJack)
    Heading Out (Thor)
    Heart and Soul (Azaran)
    Heist Society (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Hidden Agenda (SneakyJack)
    His Own Medicine (PotatoGuy)
    Homeless Dude, The (SneakyJack)
    Homo Arbor (JarlFrank)
    Horns Of Canzo: A Long Way Up (SneakyJack)

    I

    Ice Base Part 1 (The Juggler)
    In Dubio Pro Garrett (SneakyJack)
    Insanity's Crescendo (The Mike)
    Insurrection (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Into The Maelstrom (intruder) (quakis OS Review)
    Inverted Manse (The Mike) (Mman)
    Island Of Madness (The Mike)
    Item, The (fortuni)

    J

    Just For Show (SneakyJack)
    Just Take A Look (The Phantom)

    K

    Keep, The (fortuni)
    Keeper Investigations Part 1 (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Keeper Investigations Part 2 (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Keeper Investigations Part 3 (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Keeper Investigations Part 4 (Summer)
    Keeper Investigations Part 4 (Summer)
    Keyhunt (PotatoGuy)
    Kindred Vault, The (SneakyJack)
    King's Story (The Mike) (KS 1 Sneaky Jack) (KS 2 Sneaky Jack) (quakis OS Review) (KS 1 Fidcal)
    Koobze (fortuni)
    Korrigans (Jah)

    L

    Lady Lotti Saga Part 1: Coterie Of Smokers (SneakyJack) (JarlFrank)
    Lady Lotti Saga Part 2: Abysses (SneakyJack)
    Lady Lotti Saga Part 3: Bloody Ruins (SneakyJack)
    Lady Mossy (Thor) (quakis OS Review)
    L'Arsene (Jah)
    Last Lighthouse Keeper, The (quakis OS Review)
    Librarian, The (SneakyJack)
    Library, The (Sycamoyr)
    Living Nightmare, A (SneakyJack)
    Lost Castle, The (SneakyJack)
    Lost Crusade, The (SneakyJack)
    Lord Ashton Series Part 1 (SneakyJack)
    Lord Ashton Series Part 2 (SneakyJack)
    Lord Ashton Series Part 3 (SneakyJack)
    Lord Ashton Series Part 4 (SneakyJack)
    Lord Ashton Series Part 5 (SneakyJack)
    Lord Ashton Series Part 6 (SneakyJack)
    Lord Ashton Series Part 7 (SneakyJack)
    Lord Ashton Series Part 8 (SneakyJack)
    Lord Beilman's Estate (TG) (Thor)
    Lord Of The Thieves (intruder)
    Lord Vernstein's Manor aka Shining Standards (The Juggler)
    Love Story Part 1 (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Love Story Part 2 (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    Love Story Part 3 (SneakyJack)
    Love Story Part 4 (SneakyJack)
    Lovely Night, A (SneakyJack)

    M

    Mansion of Chaos (fortuni)
    Memoirs Of A Dead God (SneakyJack)
    Mirror, The (SneakyJack)
    Mission X (quakis OS Review)
    Monastery of St. Fera, The (fortuni)
    Mysterious Invitation (SneakyJack) (Summer)
    Mystery At The St. Anne Inn (SneakyJack)
    Mystery Man, The (fortuni)
    Mystic Gems Part 1 (SneakyJack)
    Mystic Gems Part 2 (SneakyJack)

    N

    Night Before Christmas The (SneakyJack) (Summer)
    Night Falcon Series Part 1 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Series Part 2 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Series Part 3 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Series Part 4 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Series Part 5 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Series Part 6 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Series Part 7 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Series Part 8 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Series Part 9 (SneakyJack)
    Night Falcon Missions 1-9, The (Jah)
    Night In Rocksbourg I: A New Beginning (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    Night In Rocksbourg II: Discovery (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    Night In Rocksbourg III: Ink and Dust (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review) (The Mike)
    Night's Profit, A (Summer)
    Night Watch, The (quakis OS Review)
    Nightmares Campaign (Cauchemars) (Azaran)
    Nostalgia (SneakyJack) (The Mike)

    O

    Off The Record (Tannar)
    Off to Millhorn Manor (JarlFrank)
    Old Comrades, Old Debts (SneakyJack)
    Ominous Bequest Gold (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review) (Mman)
    Order of the Vine, The (fortuni)
    Out for a Revenge (The Phantom)

    P

    Pestis Cruenta (Azaran) (The Mike)
    Pirates Ahoy! Mission 1: Cast Off! Part 1 (SneakyJack)
    Pirates Ahoy! Mission 1: Cast Off! Part 2 (SneakyJack)
    Plot Thickens, The (The Juggler)
    Podroz Do Krainy Biedkow (SneakyJack)
    Profane Ascension (The Phantom)

    Q

    Quiet Heat, The (Sycamoyr)

    R

    Raid On Washout Central (SneakyJack)
    Ramirez's Revenge (fortuni)
    Rest And Relaxation (SneakyJack)
    Returning A Favor (PotatoGuy)
    Right up There in the Mountains (Thor)
    Rogue's Honour (fortuni)
    Rose Cottage (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    Rowena's Curse (SneakyJack) (Mman)
    Ruined 1-3 (Melan)
    Ruins of Originia Part 1: Mines of Margroth (Azaran)
    Ruins of Originia Part 2: Guilded Rivalry (Azaran)
    Ruins of Originia Part 3: Fire and Ice (Azaran)
    Ruins of Originia Part 4: Ashes to Ashes (Azaran)
    Rust Belt Prison (Thor)

    S

    Saint of Redmound, The (quakis OS Review)
    Saints And Thieves (SneakyJack)
    Saturio Returns Home (SneakyJack)
    Secrets Of Avidan (SneakyJack)
    Sepulchre of the Sinistral (fortuni)
    Servant's Revenge, A (Thor)
    Settling a Score (Summer)
    Seven Shades Of Mercury (quakis OS Review)
    Seven Sisters: Night One (SneakyJack)
    Seven Sisters: Night Two (SneakyJack)
    Seven Sisters: Night Three (SneakyJack)
    Seven Sisters Nights 1-3 (The Mike) (Mman)
    Seventh Crystal, The (Thor)
    Shadow of Doubt Campaign (fortuni)
    Shadow Politics (quakis OS Review)
    Shadows in our Blood (SneakyJack) (The Mike) (quakis OS Review)
    Shadows Of Eidolon (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    Shunned: Fistral's Story (quakis OS Review) (Sycamoyr)
    Sinful Opportunities (SneakyJack)
    Sir William's Keep (SneakyJack)
    Sisterhood of Azura Part 1 - Estheridge (The Phantom)
    Skygem Connection, The (SneakyJack)
    Smuggler's Request, A (The Phantom)
    Snobs: Part 1 (SneakyJack)
    Snobs: Part 2 (SneakyJack)
    Sorrowful Farewell, A (The Mike)
    Stones and Glass Houses (The Mike)
    Sturmdrang Peak (Summer) (The Mike) (Random_Taffer's LP)
    Sunset In Darkdale (SneakyJack)

    T

    Tales From The Cleft: Vandal (PotatoGuy)
    Temple Of The Tides (SneakyJack)
    Thief Trinity (SneakyJack)
    Thief's Holiday 2004, A (SneakyJack) (Summer)
    Third Time's the Charm (Thor) (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    Three Crowns (Thor)
    Torben the Traitor (Sperry OS Review)
    Torn Apart (quakis OS Review)
    Tower, The (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    Transitions In Chaos 1: Conspiracies in the Dark (Summer)
    Trial by Night (skacky)
    Trickster's Gem Mine: Training (intruder)
    Trickster's Gem Mine: Errand Boy (intruder) (Summer)
    Trickster's Gem Mine: Shore Leave (intruder)
    Trickster's Gem Mine: Up Shit Creek (intruder)
    Turtle On Its Back, The (intruder) (Sycamoyr)
    Two Towers, The (frobber OS Review)

    U

    Ultima Ratio (SneakyJack)
    Unholy Vivid Innocence (Thor)
    Unseen, The (Melan)
    Upside Down (quakis OS Review)

    V

    Vagabond (The Mike)
    Vampire Skull (SneakyJack)
    Varyx Obelisk, The (Azaran)

    W

    Way Of The Sword (SneakyJack)
    Weak Links (SneakyJack)
    Weekend Getaway, A (SneakyJack)
    Whatíve You Found, Little Fly? (The Mike)
    What Lies Below (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    When Angels Refuse to Die (Thor) (quakis OS Review)
    When Still (SneakyJack)
    Whispers In The Desert (The Mike)
    Wicked Relics (SneakyJack) (The Mike)
    Widow's Ire, The (Melan)
    Willow Island (SneakyJack) (Sycamoyr)
    Woodkey Resthouse TDP (lost_soul)

    X

    Y

    Your Last Breath (intruder))
    Yume No Rozen (SneakyJack)

    Z

    Zombie Killer (The Mike)


    T2X

    T2X: Introduction (SneakyJack)
    T2X: Mission 1: Unexpected Shelter (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    T2X: Mission 2: The Trials That Shape Us (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    T2X: Mission 3: While The City Sleeps (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    T2X: Mission 4: Shadowing The Enemy (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    T2X: Mission 5: The Redistribution Game (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    T2X: Mission 6: A Question Of Knowledge (SneakyJack) (Thor)
    T2X: Mission 7: Down Among Dead Men (SneakyJack) (Thor Part 1) (Thor Part 2)
    T2X: Mission 8: The Art Of Deception (SneakyJack)
    T2X: Mission 9: Into The Fray (SneakyJack)
    T2X: Mission 10: Of Ill Repute (SneakyJack)
    T2X: Mission 11: The Grand Hotel (SneakyJack)
    T2X: Mission 12: The Cure (SneakyJack)
    T2X: Mission 13: The Betrayal (SneakyJack)
    T2X: Missions 1-13 (The Mike) (quakis OS Review)

    TDM Mission Reviews

    SneakyJack's Review of The Dark Mod

    Alberic's Curse (Mman)
    Beleaguered Fence, The (Summer) (quakis OS Review)
    Business as Usual (SneakyJack) (Summer)
    Chalice of Kings (SneakyJack)
    Crown of Penitence (SneakyJack)
    Flakebridge Monastery (quakis OS Review)
    Heart of Lone Salvation (Melan) (quakis OS Review)
    Home Again: William Steele 2 (quakis OS Review)
    In Remembrance of Him (quakis OS Review)
    In the North (quakis OS Review)
    Knighton Manor (Springheel)
    Living Expenses (SneakyJack)
    Mad's Mountain (Summer)
    No Honor Among Thieves (Summer)
    Outpost, The (SneakyJack)
    Parcel, The (SneakyJack)
    Patently Dangerous (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review)
    Return to the City (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review) (Mman)
    St Albans Cathedral (lost_soul)
    Somewhere Above the City (SneakyJack) (quakis OS Review) (Thor)
    Sons of Baltona Part 1,The (SneakyJack)
    Tears of Saint Lucia (Mman)
    Thief's Den (Mman)
    Thieves, The (SneakyJack)
    Too Late (SneakyJack)
    Trapped (SneakyJack)

    Screenshots

    WS1: In the North (Sneaky Jack )
    Keeper of the Prophecies (Thor)
    Elizabeth Bathory campaign (Summer Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3)
    Rightful Property (Sneaky Jack )
    Tears of St Lucia (Sneaky Jack )
    When Still Mission 1 (Sneaky Jack )
    When Still Mission 2 (Sneaky Jack )
    When Still Mission 3 (Sneaky Jack )
    When Still Mission 4 (Sneaky Jack )
    When Still Bonus (Sneaky Jack )


    Odds and Ends

    Humorous AI screenshots (AndrewPHD)
    Screenshot from an abandoned mission by Sluggs (clearing)
    Deadly Shadows City Project (SneakyJack)


    I encourage everyone to submit their own screenshots and mission reviews to add to this already expanding list! Thanks in advance


    Quick Jump To Various Discussions:
    Clicking one of these links will take you to the first post in a series of posts about a certain topic[/I]

    A Bit About Ghosting
    Discussion On Light Switches
    A Bit About Dynamic Guard Spawning
    Discussion On AI vs AI Battles
    A Bit About Undead
    Explaining The Screenshot Processing Used For This Thread
    Discussion About The Order From DrK's Rocksbourg Series
    A Bit About Mission Frustration
    Discussion About Sexism In Fan Missions
    More Mission Frustration
    About Present Day Items In FM's
    Our First Fan Missions
    Mission Moments That Stunned You
    Hiding Loot And Items Inside Crates Or Barrels
    Discussion About The Display Of Readable Text
    The Mainstream Re-Emergence Of Thief
    Who Is The Mysterious EL KABONG?!?!
    A Bit About Perspective
    Do AI Have A Sweet Spot That Can Be Blackjacked Even On Full Alert?
    Discussion About Marble Abuse
    Discussion About Fan Mission Criticism
    A Bit About Brutal Mission Difficulty
    Discussion About Continuing Work On Contest Missions For A Future Re-Release
    Hate It When Your Tools Are Taken Away?
    Where Does Garrett Spend His Loot, Anyway?
    More Craziness With El Kabong
    Intruder Shares Info About A German Thief Gathering
    Talking About AI Models
    Fan Mission Humor Divides Some Folks
    Garrett The Romantic?
    Thief: Deadly Shadows.. Broken?
    Reviewing Missions... Serious Business??!?!
    Hammerites: Better In Thief 1 Or Thief 2?
    Thor's Ramblings
    Last edited by nickie; 24th Mar 2014 at 09:55. Reason: Adding LPs

  2. #2

  3. #3
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2008
    Location: Iceland
    The latest FM I completed was Burglary in Blackbrook. A simple and easy mission in a huge Cathredal. Loads of fun, except when having to run back and forth through all the corridors to find something or other.

    Before that, I tried playing through Keeper Of The Prophecies...again. And gave up...again. I just don't like it. It feels unfinished to me.

    I also played the TAC entry The Tower. Talk about squeezing content into a small space. A great mission.

    Heist Society is also one of the top missions in my books.

  4. #4
    Member
    Registered: May 2008
    Keeper of the prophecies never really clicked for me either - so I know what you are saying there.

    The tower was an excellent mission - and like you said, tons of content stuffed into a small space - I was amazed with what the author did with the space they had to work with.

    I also replayed The Burricks Head Inn (Vintage Edition) not too long ago - and the sepia toned look and 20th century feel really makes that mission stand out. I like when authors go back and make a few changes to old classic FM's to breathe new life into them.

    I was trying to remember a mission the other day that had guards running around with one shot pistols that they would drop after being fired - but I cant remember which one it was. If I discover it was in the same set of missions as the ones that have the guards that shoot sword laser bolts at you - forget it. Those missions kicked my ass relentlessly.

  5. #5
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2006
    Location: On the tip of your tongue.
    There were guards with pistols in the hotel in T2X. Is that what you're thinking of?

  6. #6
    Just my opinion here, but this "megathread" concept really defeats the purpose of having a proper threaded message board. The point of having individual threads with their own topics is to focus the conversation and discussion a bit (and I suppose to make it easier to search for information in the future). There really should be separate threads for "favorite fan missions" or "thoughts on Mission ABC" or "screenshots of beautiful missions."

    Not telling anyone what to do, just expressing my views here. Try to picture this thread after a month or two, and you'll probably agree that it could potentially just be a big sloppy mess.

  7. #7
    Member
    Registered: May 2008
    Quote Originally Posted by nicked View Post
    There were guards with pistols in the hotel in T2X. Is that what you're thinking of?
    You are probably correct, and thanks!

    @ Brethren: I don't see any of those kinds of threads being made either, really. This is just basic fan mission chat about whatever is on the mind of the fan mission players in any particular day - if you arent interested then please feel free to create your own thread on a specific topic and I'll be more than happy to post in it.

    I myself will find it more than interesting to go back and read pages of discussion on random FM's. If someone has a certain FM question or something like that - it doesnt go here anyway. I think you may have missed the point of it.

    Other than "please help me with (insert mission here) im stuck" style threads - I don't see any general discussion really at all that is solely fan mission centered. I'm not stealing any thunder.

    I think folks are much more likely to jump into a thread about whatever random thing they'd like to post in order to get something off their mind than to go through the trouble of making an entire thread just for an offhand comment or a screenshot. Just trying to be realistic.
    Last edited by SneakyJack; 11th Dec 2008 at 15:14.

  8. #8
    Moderator
    Registered: May 2000
    Location: Thunder Bay, On., Canada
    Just my opinion here, but this "megathread" concept really defeats the purpose of having a proper threaded message board.
    It's a bit of an experiment and if it gets too long or out of control, we can just lock it up.

  9. #9
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    Registered: Jul 2008
    Location: Iceland
    Quote Originally Posted by SneakyJack View Post
    I also replayed The Burricks Head Inn (Vintage Edition) not too long ago - and the sepia toned look and 20th century feel really makes that mission stand out. I like when authors go back and make a few changes to old classic FM's to breathe new life into them.
    Is that the small one with a single building with 4 (5?) floors and an elevator? I think I played that one several years ago. I felt like a detective out of an Agatha Christie book.

    I was trying to remember a mission the other day that had guards running around with one shot pistols that they would drop after being fired - but I cant remember which one it was. If I discover it was in the same set of missions as the ones that have the guards that shoot sword laser bolts at you - forget it. Those missions kicked my ass relentlessly.
    I'm not familiar with a mission with zip guns, but I'm very familiar with The Rebellion Of The Builder missions. I played those about 2 weeks ago. They're loads of fun for veteran players, but they're also total cheesefests. Do not expect to be treated fairly while playing them, especially in the last mission.

    There's a set of FM's that I'm debating with myself whether I should play again or not...Calendra's Legacy. IIRC, the first mission is an awesome town mission with an optional crypt full of traps and puzzles, and the third mission is a decent city mission in the snow, but the second mission is...bizarre. There was something I found very negative about the second mission, but I can't remember what exactly...and that's the kicker. Should I replay it just so I can relive a bad day in Thief?

  10. #10
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    Registered: May 2008
    Funny enough I had just downloaded CL as well and was debating on going through it again. I don't remember much about any of the missions due to it being so long since I've played them so I'd also like to hear some opinions on it.

    I'm not familiar with a mission with zip guns, but I'm very familiar with The Rebellion Of The Builder missions. I played those about 2 weeks ago. They're loads of fun for veteran players, but they're also total cheesefests. Do not expect to be treated fairly while playing them, especially in the last mission.
    I've played (I think) every fan mission that has been released at one time or another and have even managed to ghost a small chunk of them completely - but that mission set completely destroyed me. I'm no where near a hardcore ghoster by any means - but I quickloaded more than three dozen times on the first mission after being killed before finally giving up and skipping to the second - then the same result.. repeat for all of them. Crazy, but obviously alot of work went into them and I can respect that.

    Is that the small one with a single building with 4 (5?) floors and an elevator? I think I played that one several years ago. I felt like a detective out of an Agatha Christie book.
    Yeah, thats the one. Its definitely an interesting spin - I enjoyed the music that was chosen for the mission very much - but then again I'm a fan of literature from that time period as well.
    Last edited by SneakyJack; 11th Dec 2008 at 21:39.

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    Location: Iceland
    My opinion is that CL is worth playing for the first mission. It's what comes afterwards that is up for debate.

    With the exception of CL, I am at a bit of an impasse in regards to FMs. The only FM I have played and not beat is Equilibrium, but beyond that I do not know if there are any good FMs out there that I've missed. I'll have to do some digging in the archives and see what I find.

  13. #13
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    Registered: May 2008
    Quote Originally Posted by Unkillable Cat View Post
    The only FM I have played and not beat is Equilibrium, but beyond that I do not know if there are any good FMs out there that I've missed. I'll have to do some digging in the archives and see what I find.
    I don't believe I've finished that one either - I usually get my behind handed to me by one of the opponents there sooner or later - or I can never find the last one to dispose of him.

    I've been going back and playing some old favorites on higher difficulty settings lately to see what I've missed.

    One thing I really liked about heist society is that the readable tells you exactly what the changes are (AI changes, loot, secrets, starting location, etc) before you choose your difficulty. It'd be nice for FM authors to include this in every FM so that we know to go back and play a different difficulty if the experience is different (the content portion).

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    Location: Norway (currently Phoenix, AZ)
    Quote Originally Posted by Unkillable Cat View Post
    My opinion is that CL is worth playing for the first mission. It's what comes afterwards that is up for debate.
    Wow, you and I don't see eye to eye on that FM at all! I think 'Midnight In Murkbell' is one of the best missions ever made; including all FMs & OMs. The first and third missions are great as well, but the second is the gem of that mission pack.
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  15. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by klatremus View Post
    Wow, you and I don't see eye to eye on that FM at all! I think 'Midnight In Murkbell' is one of the best missions ever made; including all FMs & OMs. The first and third missions are great as well, but the second is the gem of that mission pack.
    I love seeing how folks differ on certain FM's - I know that a few of them that are almost universally praised here I cant even stand to play

    Then again, I love some that are not that popular - so there you go.

  16. #16
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Port Orchard WA
    Quote Originally Posted by SneakyJack View Post
    I love seeing how folks differ on certain FM's - I know that a few of them that are almost universally praised here I cant even stand to play

    Then again, I love some that are not that popular - so there you go.
    It is interesting how Thief FM's has developed into attracting distinct play styles. Personally I am not a big fan of ghosting but I understand why some hate playing any other way.

    One of my favorites was "Durant" because of brilliant way the author allowed the use of a haunt as an ally to take out enemies. One could actually eliminate everyone in the first part of the mission without to even blackjack with use of a trap. It was just humorus fun. Evidently I am in the minority because Durant never got great scores by players. The fact that there are so few missions that are made this way is actually a good thing. If it were done often it would get old.

    I am in the first phase of learning dromED. In a year or so I hope to build and release my first mission. I am curious as to just what people like and what play styles they can't stand.

    I get the impression that Ghosters can't stand using a blackjack or any violence in any way. Should it be a requirement to allow both styles of play in a mission? What if I made a mission where ghosting was only available on easy and blackjacking was required on expert?

  17. #17
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    Location: Ireland
    Quote Originally Posted by bedwine View Post
    What if I made a mission where ghosting was only available on easy and blackjacking was required on expert?
    The other way around makes more sense.

  18. #18
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    Usually, it is done the other way around. Ghosting is considered Expert play & blacking jacking is considered easier, so it ends up being allowed for Normal difficulty. I don't mind the option to ghost, but most times I prefer to blackjack everyone. I understand that many consider ghosting to be the ultimate play style, but I would prefer to see ghosting optional on Normal at least.

    That being said, I don't mind having to ghost parts of a mission if I get my blackjack later.

  19. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    The other way around makes more sense.
    I agree, as it is usually harder to Ghost than not, it should be required on the higher difficulties rather than the other way around.

    I have yet to see a mission that gives you an optional hidden objective if you complete the mission without getting seen, dealing damage or receiving damage. It could pop up in the stats afterwards. That would practically be Ghosting, with the exception of property damage which wouldn't be detected this way. I think that would be cool, although I don't know how easy/hard it is to set up in Dromed. Plus what if the objectives required you to kill or deal damage, then it would suddenly become complicated.

    But to keep the thread on topic, I generally like missions like CL that provides the possibility to Ghost successfully. I always try to Supreme the missions also, sort of a hardcore version of Ghost, but that is usually not considered by authors.
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  20. #20
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    Location: shalebridgecradle.co.uk
    Quote Originally Posted by bedwine View Post
    What if I made a mission where ghosting was only available on easy and blackjacking was required on expert?
    The "official" ghosting rules require that ghosting be done on Expert so I don't think this would appeal to the serious ghosters out there but I guess it would force players who normally played on a lower difficulty level to play on expert perhaps.

  21. #21
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    Location: Port Orchard WA

    Ghosting

    Let me put it another way. What if I made a mission where to succeed you could not have any unconcious bodies discovered by enemies? Bodies would have to be hidden and it could be designed that in doing so would be harder than just simply ghosting through the area.

    What if I made a mission where on expert mode one would have to knock out a particular guard in a well lit area without disturbing the others? On easy mode one would not have to knock out the guard. Ghosting would be required on easy and knocking out the guard would be the only knockout allowed on expert.

    Would elite ghosters be put off by this?
    Last edited by bedwine; 13th Dec 2008 at 02:50.

  22. #22
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    First let me just say that I like both of those ideas and personally I would find that kind of challenge very enjoyable. As for whether other serious ghosters would be put off by this I would say that it depends on a couple of things. If the player's goal is to ghost the mission and you set up circumstances that make it impossible to ghost (like ko'ing a guard in a well lit area surrounded by other guards with no way to achieve that objective and remain hidden) then I would think they would be put off by this. But not all missions are ghostable.

    On the other hand, ghosting rules allow for "breaking" the ghost when doing so is required by mission objectives but usually that would be in a situation where the only thing that breaks the ghost is the actual completion of the objective. For example, if the objective is to knockout a particular guard then the ghost is not technically broken since that is a necessary action to complete the mission. But, if the mission is designed in such a way that it is impossible to knockout that guard without alerting other guards, then that does break the ghost and the mission is therefore not ghostable.

    I like ghosting but I also like playing other styles so I am not put off by a mission that is not ghostable. I might be disappointed but if the mission is fun and challenging and the story engaging I will enjoy it just as much, even if it can't be ghosted.

    I hope this answers your questions. Any other ghosters out there feel free to clarify anything I may have left out here.

  23. #23
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    Registered: Oct 2004
    Location: Meraux, LA
    I am replaying 2006 missions for my reviews right now including missions 8 - 10 from the Haddur series: The Dream of Tyrus, Retribution & Guardmen of Haddur. Just to get a feeling for the series, I went back & replayed the first seven missions. I forgot just how creepy, scary these missions were. Turi is a master of atmosphere. These missions use plain stock textures, so they have a very TDP feeling to me. The architecture is basic, but the missions have good game play. Has anyone else played these recently?

  24. #24
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    Registered: May 2003
    Location: West Seattle
    here are a couple of things that have been bothering me while playing FMs for quite some time now...

    the lack of light switches! I believe every electric light should have a switch somewhere, whether it's in the room by the door, next to the light itself, or at a control panel at a guard station nearby. it has to be expensive keeping all those lights on all the time, right?

    sinks and tubs filled with water! I don't know if it's supposed to give the feeling that someone just stepped away, but I find myself wondering how long the water has been sitting there getting cold... how it's going to drain, and who brought it up in the first place?

  25. #25
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    The first is for gameplay reasons: torches and gas lamps can be doused, and electric lights cannot. If every electric light had a light switch, then you could plunge the entire mission into pitch blackness and remove all challenge.

    I've wondered about the baths and sinks myself, but... it's traditional!

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