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Thread: Mini-FM (Thief 2) Contest - the results!

  1. #1
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    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland

    Mini-FM (Thief 2) Contest - the results!

    The Glyph of Hammer and Trowel Contest
    (Thief 2 FMs)





    On the occasion of the release of the Polish version of TDS (Thief: Złowieszcze cienie), I have organised three contests for Polish Thief fans: the contest for the Glyph of Knowledge, the Glyph of Sight and the Glyph of Hammer and Trowel. The first and second contests are already over. Some of you have somewhat taken part in the second contest, which was about recognising graphical elements from the Thief games. The third contest (a DromEd one) is still running.

    The contestants were to, within a manner of days, create a small mission accordance to rules I have posted. The only real catch was that the map had to have swimmable water. This is something of a homage to an element of the gameplay I have missed the most in TDS.

    The mini-missions are now ready, and are available for download here.

    The Citadel of Wrath-Amon (2,21 MB)
    The First Day of Winter (7,88 MB)
    A Winter Holiday (5,13 MB)


    The contests take place at the Polish Thief forum. However, I invite TTLG members to join in the fun! We shall pick the winner of the contest who will get a copy of the Polish version of TDS. If you want to take part in the voting, download all the contest missions, play them and vote! Polish voting will be finished December 16, 2005 (today). TTLG voting will be finished December 18, 2005. I know, I know... two days only... But there are only three very small missions to play... And I want the winner to get the prize before Christmas.

    On this page (also in English), you will find the voting form and rules. The following aspects of the missions are to be judged:

    1) Architecture
    2) Special Effects
    3) Sound
    4) General Impressions

    There are no other categories (story etc.), because I thought that the contestants will not be able to figure something interesting out within a few days. Now I see that I was wrong.

    The scale is from 1 (worst) to 5 (best) in each category. Who gets the most points, wins. If you encounter problems using the voting form, you can send me a private message with your votes.

    The authors (anonymous) had only a few days to whip something up, so don't be too harsh. I think they did a great job:



    Please, try to finish the missions, because they are much more complicated than they seem to be at the beginning...

    If you find any problems (also technical) with FMs, post here. If you want to comment, share the words of praise or disgust with other players, feel free to post in this thread.

    Special thanks to van Hellsing for translating all the missions and PiotrS for... everything else.
    Last edited by bukary; 19th Dec 2005 at 14:51.

  2. #2
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    Registered: Dec 2003
    Location: Making Larry Miserable
    The zip file is corrupt for The Citadel of Wrath-Amon (2,21 MB). It only downloads about 40kb of info.

    These FM's look quite good. The First Day of Winter starts well.... on a cursory look.

  3. #3
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    Registered: Jun 2005
    Location: Minnesota
    Ah, something to spend a cold wintery Saturday on. I'll vote by Sunday

  4. #4
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: North Carolina, USA
    Okay, I'm going to complain about the "First Day of Winter".

    First of all, this mission looks gorgeous. However, it has one of the most idiotic "no kill" objectives I have ever seen. It has no justification -- its totaly arbitrary and I hate it when its like that.

    Lets see:

    spoiler:

    You have no blackjack. But you do have a sword and arrows. Several armed theives have broken into your house and assaulted your wife.

    And you're not supposed to kill anybody?

    Ridiculous.




    If you're going to impose such a rule at *least* give me a blackjack.

  5. #5
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    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Dude
    The zip file is corrupt for The Citadel of Wrath-Amon (2,21 MB). It only downloads about 40kb of info.
    Are you still having this problem? It downloads fine for me...

    Quote Originally Posted by elkston
    If you're going to impose such a rule at *least* give me a blackjack.
    The author gave you a blackjack! Hint:
    spoiler:
    Try to enter the house without being noticed. And that means you should not use doors. Look around for some container. If thieves notice you, just run away and wait for them to calm down, and later... strike! Don't try to drawn them! You'll need their bodies. BTW, don't forget to read the ringleader's scroll.

  6. #6
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    Registered: Sep 2003
    Location: some little town in Poland
    Garrett is an exemplary husband now and is returning from some pub,it's strange to think that he should take his blackjack everywhere. But be sure, he's hiding it somewhere at hand...
    one of the most idiotic "no kill" objectives
    There are many better ways to punish thugs than killing them.

    btw: I didn't like any "no kills" when I was ...a novice taffer

  7. #7
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    Registered: Dec 2003
    Location: Making Larry Miserable
    Are you still having this problem? It downloads fine for me...
    It's fine now.

  8. #8
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: North Carolina, USA
    Ok. I guess I'll go back in with more patience this time. Its just that its very difficult to get in without being seen. There are lights everywhere (and no water arrows), and wooden floors. Even coming in through the backdoor is hard cause a dude is right there ready to catch you. Suppose I should try harder.

    btw: I didn't like any "no kills" when I was ...a novice taffer
    I'll admit that I am not fond of being forced to ghost. I like to BJ most of the time. But if I have to, I can do it. I have always played this way since 2002. I'm not really a novice, but I'm not "hardcore" either. I like to play Thief to explore scenery and have adventure.

    So I don't like my gameplay being boxed in for no reason. And I've never bought the whole "you're a thief, not a muderer" thing. Of course I won't kill for no reason, I prefer to BJ. But if I am backed into a corner against an armed advesary, I should be able to defend myself without ending the mission.

  9. #9
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    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by elkston
    Ok. I guess I'll go back in with more patience this time. Its just that its very difficult to get in without being seen. There are lights everywhere (and no water arrows), and wooden floors. Even coming in through the backdoor is hard cause a dude is right there ready to catch you. Suppose I should try harder.
    Another hint:
    spoiler:
    Don't use doors. Use roof. Climb the tree.

    BTW, getting rid of your adversaries is just the beginning of your troubles. This missions is not as small as it might seem...
    Last edited by bukary; 17th Dec 2005 at 07:07.

  10. #10
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    Registered: May 2002
    Location: Sedlec Ossuary
    WOW ! New fm !!

    "Voting will be finished December 18, 2005 (at midnight)." Please, Bukary, can you be more specific with midnight ? What time zone do you mean ? When will be midnight here in Europe, the same moment will be 6 pm in America East coast... Lets say we'll wait to last midnight all over world... (?)

  11. #11
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    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin
    WOW ! New fm !!
    New T2 FMs. Very small FMs.
    "Voting will be finished December 18, 2005 (at midnight)." Please, Bukary, can you be more specific with midnight ? What time zone do you mean ? When will be midnight here in Europe, the same moment will be 6 pm in America East coast... Lets say we'll wait to last midnight all over world... (?)
    Exactly. Midnight of YOUR time. It might be different for everyone. No problem. I'll accept all votes.

  12. #12
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: North Carolina, USA
    Quote Originally Posted by bukary
    Another hint:
    spoiler:
    Don't use doors. Use roof. Climb the tree.

    BTW, getting rid of your adversaries is just the beginning of your troubles. This missions is not as small as it might seem...
    Okay. Thanks for the advice. Now I see what I am supposed to do ...

  13. #13
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    Registered: Jun 2005
    Location: Corn Country

    Family and Thugs!!!

    Playing "the first day of winter"...looks great. I found the entrance to the cave, but as soon as I went down the ladder I failed to put my family and thugs where they belong. I picked up the family members and place them in bed. The thugs I placed in the attic. Where exactly do they need to go?


  14. #14
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by yondanbrad
    The thugs I placed in the attic. Where exactly do they need to go?
    I suppose you read ringleader's scroll... It's important so that your objectives will become clear.

    Back on topic: where would you place knocked out enemies in your house?

    Small hint:
    spoiler:
    Look in the basement.


    Big hint:
    spoiler:
    Use te key you found upstairs to finish the job.


    BTW, if you can not pick the body up, it means you placed it properly. So if you can't pick up your family from beds in the attic, you've done what you were supposed to.

    So... everyone is playing The First Day of Winter? What about other FMs?

  15. #15
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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Albertslund, Denmark
    The First Day of Winter has a problem with an objective that hasn't been translated to english!
    spoiler:
    I found the cavern with the 3 chests, a few coins and a treasure map. Picked up the treasure map and got a new objective but that objective hasn't been translated! So what am i supposed to do?

  16. #16
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    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by The Elusive One
    The First Day of Winter has a problem with an objective that hasn't been translated to english!
    spoiler:
    I found the cavern with the 3 chests, a few coins and a treasure map. Picked up the treasure map and got a new objective but that objective hasn't been translated! So what am i supposed to do?
    Ooops... Sorry. We did not have the time to test the translation...

    "No, to pochwal sie zonie swoim znaleziskiem" means "Show this discovery to your wife".
    Last edited by bukary; 17th Dec 2005 at 10:24.

  17. #17
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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Albertslund, Denmark
    Quote Originally Posted by bukary
    Ooops... Sorry.

    "No, to pochwal sie zonie swoim znaleziskiem" means "Show this discovery to your wife".
    Ahh, thank you, mission finished.

    Maybe you can help me with 'A Winter Holiday'. I got stuck on that one earlier today and instead played the other two.
    spoiler:
    I found the medallion and climbed onto the roof and got the snowballs, but that's it! I can't figure out how to get in....

  18. #18
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    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by The Elusive One
    Ahh, thank you, mission finished.
    So how did you like your wife when she gets angry?

    Maybe you can help me with 'A Winter Holiday'. I got stuck on that one earlier today and instead played the other two.
    spoiler:
    I found the medallion and climbed onto the roof and got the snowballs, but that's it! I can't figure out how to get in....
    Small hint:
    Where people often leave the key for their relatives?

    Big hint:
    The key is over the doors.

  19. #19
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Albertslund, Denmark
    Quote Originally Posted by bukary
    So how did you like your wife when she gets angry?

    spoiler:
    Some women look sexy when they get angry, BUT NOT HER


    Small hint:
    Where people often leave the key for their relatives?

    Big hint:
    The key is over the doors.
    Off course the obvious place, thanks.

  20. #20
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2003
    Location: Southquarter
    In A Winter Holiday, is it possible to get
    spoiler:
    to the lighthouse top ? If so, how ?

  21. #21
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by redface
    In A Winter Holiday, is it possible to get
    spoiler:
    to the lighthouse top ? If so, how ?
    I don't think so. But you can get to the lighthouse basement.

  22. #22
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2005
    Location: in here
    On "winter holyday" how do i find the key in to the house?

  23. #23
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by Kin
    On "winter holyday" how do i find the key in to the house?
    Where would you leave a key for someone you expect?
    spoiler:
    It's above the door.

  24. #24
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    I've just tried to download 'The First Day of Winter' four times, but each time it stops at 2.8mb, and the archive is corrupt.
    The download window also reports the size as being 2.8mb when I start the download.
    Any ideas?
    Last edited by Nameless_Voice; 17th Dec 2005 at 12:57.

  25. #25
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    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: Tatry Mountains, Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless_Voice
    I've just tried to download 'The First Day of Winter' four times, but each time it stops at 2.8mb, and the archive is corrupt.
    The download window also reports the size as being 2.8mb when I start the download.
    Any ideas?
    Hmmm... I'll see what happens. Perhaps you were downloading the old file, and we put the new version on-line an hour ago (with all objectives translated).

    EDIT: It works fine for me. Can you try to download it again?

    Unfortunately, Jason is away and I can't upload these missions to his site.
    Last edited by bukary; 17th Dec 2005 at 13:11.

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