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  1. #1
    Digital Nightfall
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    Mapping out The City.

    I'd like to figure out the names of all known districts, and what buildings are in what district... could you folks (who probbly know Thief lore much better then I do) help me out? I managed to find the names of these districts....

    : Stonemarket
    : Undermarket
    : Newmarket
    : Dayport
    : Eastport
    : Downtowne
    : Hightowne
    : North Quarter
    : South Quarter
    : New Quarter
    : Old Quarter
    : Shalebridge
    : The Docks

    But I bet that is not all of them. Lets work together!

    Thanks.

  2. #2
    jono456
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    If there is a north quater and a south quater, wouldn't it make sense that there was an east and west quater?

    (even if they are not mentioned in thief)

  3. #3
    jono456
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    Or did you mean only what we find out about in thief?

  4. #4
    Sypha Nadon
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    Here's some ingame facts:

    Dayport District: Bell Tower, Castle Van Vernon, Fieldstone Estate, Grandmauden Road, Master Willey's Manor, Shemenov Estate, Necromancer's Spiral, Sir Cullen's Keep, Dayport Trader's Bank, Lady Louisa's Suite, Castle Carlysle, The Baron's Way, Angelwatch.

    The Docks: Rampone Dockside Shipping

    Marketplace: The marketplace, graveyard, Garrett's Apartment, Sparrow St., Helena Way, Hill St., Whipple St., Crippled Burrick's Pub, Shalesbridge Road

    Eastport: Eastport Mechanist Seminary

    Downtowne: Public Works Station, Hammerite Temple

    Hightowne: Opera House, Ramirez' Mansion, Farkus' Shop

    The Old Quarter: The Haunted Cathedral, the old Keeper Compound, Watchman's Grave and a lot of street names I don't have in front of me.

    Areas outside the City:

    The Mage Towers
    The Pagan Village/Maw of Chaos
    Markham's Isle
    Cragscleft Prison

    Areas Under the City:

    The Caverns
    Karath-Din

    Buildings whose district is unknown:

    Lord Bafford's Manor
    The Bonehoards
    The Overlord's Fancy
    Constantine's Mansion
    Keeper's Compound
    Soulforge Cathedral
    Lady Rumford's Manor
    Gorman Truart's Estate
    Shoalsgate Station
    First City Bank & Trust

    Other Cities:

    Blackbreak
    Bohn
    Cyric
    Esse

    I know I forget some...



    [This message has been edited by Sypha Nadon (edited January 31, 2001).]

  5. #5
    Keeper Hellzon
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    Nice work, Sypha!

    According to the Keeper Theses, there is a part called "Wayside", if I recall correctly.

    [This message has been edited by Keeper Hellzon (edited January 31, 2001).]

  6. #6
    Digital Nightfall
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    Thanks Syph! I took a few liberties and placed the unknowns where I thought they would fit well. I also added some locations from COT & CoSaS. This text-map is not for reference purposes, but for some other hopefully much more fun purpose. I now invite… no, URGE authors of fan missions to post to this thread (this thread exists in both the general discussion and the TEG forum) telling me if they want their FM areas included in this map, and what and where the places go. Authors of fan-fics are urged to as well. In fact, anyone who has input or suggestions are welcome.

    The City

    : Towne Square
    - Soulforge Cathedral

    : Stonemarket
    - The Grieving Burrick Inn

    : Old Quarter
    - Haunted Hammerite Cathedral
    - The Abandoned Keeper’s Grotto

    : Dayport
    - Castle Van Vernon
    - Fieldstone Estate
    - Master Willey's Manor
    - Shemenov Estate
    - Necromancer's Spiral
    - Sir Cullen's Keep
    - Dayport Trader's Bank
    - Lady Louisa's Suite
    - Castle Carlysle
    - Angelwatch Tower

    : Docks
    - Rampone Dockside Shipping

    : Marketplace
    - The Market
    - Graveyard
    - Crippled Burrick's Pub

    : Eastport
    - Eastport Mechanist Seminary

    : Three Gate’s Bridge
    - The Ivory Rose

    : Newmarket

    : Downtowne
    - Public Works Station
    - Downetowne Hammerite Temple

    : Hightowne
    - Opera House
    - Institute for the mentally decrepit (formally Ramirez’s mansion)
    - The Circle of Stone and Shadow

    : Shalebridge

    : Sholesgate
    - Sholesgate Police Station

    : New Quarter
    - Overlord’s Fancy
    - Downwinder Thieves’ Guild
    - Lord Randall’s Mansion
    - Donal’s House

    : North Quarter
    - First City Bank & Trust

    : South Quarter
    - Lord Bafford’s Manor

    : Undermarket
    - Lord Raputo’s Mansion

    : Wayside


    Outside The City

    : Outside The City Limits
    - Constantine's Demolished Mansion
    - Lady Rumford's Manor
    - Gorman Truart's Estate

    : The North Mountains
    - Master Nightfall’s Estate
    - Hand Brotherhood’s Keep

    : The West Mountains
    - Cragscleft Prision

    : Under The City
    - The Bonehoard
    - The Lost City, Karath-Din
    - The Burrick Caves

    : Deep within the forest
    - The Pagan Village

    : Offshore
    - Markham’s Isle

  7. #7
    Grundbegriff
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    Excellent thread, people. This one goes on the Best Of list. Good summary work, Sypha.


    The City
    : Dayport
    - Necromancer's Spiral
    That's spire...


    : Docks
    - Rampone Dockside Shipping
    Accoring to Gilver's shipping label, Rampone Dockside Shipping is at:
    1369 Winston Avenue Bay#7933
    Wayside Dock District


    So then, "The Docks" and "Wayside" are the same thing.

    At Rampone's Dockside Shipping, we learn of such fine establishments as:
    • Cid Capezza Inventions
    • Venik Kilgor Weapon Smithing
    • Lady Angelica's Experimental Apothecary
    • Sven Mynell Steaks
    • Lord Porter's Fine Art For Sale
    • D. M. Gilver Exporting Company
    • T. M. Blackheart Recording Studio
    • E. B. Bramrich's Accounting Service
    • Noah Jerm's Lensgrinding


    Gilver makes clear that these can count as business addresses and not merely as storage units; still, it's possible that some of these businesses are established elsewhere in the City as well.


    : Marketplace
    - The Market
    - Graveyard
    - Crippled Burrick's Pub
    Those, and also the streets:
    • Hill Street
    • Sparrow Street
    • Helena Way
    • Whipple Street
    • Old Gate



    : Shalebridge
    At Rampone's we learn that Taft Avenue is a street in Shalebridge.

    : Sholesgate
    - Sholesgate Police Station
    Shoalsgate, no?


    : Wayside
    This is the Docks, as mentioned above.


    : Old Quarter
    These, and also the streets:
    • De Perrin Street
    • Rubin Street
    • Market Street
    • Cathedral Street
    • Auldale Street


    Plus the buildings of the cloister at the old Cathedral:
    • St Yora's
    • St Jenel's
    • St Tennor's
    • St Vale's



    Outside The City
    : Outside The City Limits
    At Rampone's we also learn that Richmond Boulevard is a street in some unspecified overseas locale, and Also overseas or elsewhere are Lesser Hrabotha and Throvia (or in any case some place--Throve? Throw?--that would have "Throvian" as its adjectival form). Likewise, Bafford's antique dealer receives antiques from Bohn, which may be a place if it's not a person.


    : Under The City
    - The Bonehoard
    Yes, but the entrance should be placed somewhere in one of the known, formerly affluent districts.


    - The Lost City, Karath-Din
    And there, the following sites:
    • The Library
    • The Colosseum (Arena)
    • The Great Temple-Palace
    • The Temple of N'Lahotep
    • The Royal Tombs
    • The Tower of Fire


    Cheers,

    G.

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  8. #8
    Grundbegriff
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    Originally posted by jono456:
    If there is a north quater and a south quater, wouldn't it make sense that there was an east and west quater?
    Not necessarily. For example. Connecticut has an East Haven, a West Haven, and a North Haven, but no South Haven.

    Since the City is on a shoreline and since it has a North quarter and a South quarter, it actually makes sense that it would be missing at least one of the other two

    Since there's an Eastport, and a New Quarter, I would guess that the City lies on a shore with water to the east and that the "New Quarter" is the westward expansion (which is why there's no "West Quarter"--the names "North" and "South Quarter" probably arose earlier in the City's development, and the newness of the new district to the west was probably more important than the westwardness of that new district).

    Assuming a sun in the southern sky and rising in the east, it would make sense for Dayport to be further to the south along the short than Eastport is. Wayside, then, would be an industrial zone upshore, far from the fashionable Dayport.

    So then:

    North
    Quarter
    --Old-------------------- |~~~~~~~~
    New | Quarter | Wayside|~~~~~~~~~
    Quarter | Downtowne | Eastport|~~~ sea ~~
    | | Dayport|~~~~~~~~~
    --------------- South
    Quarter


    Cheers,

    G.

    [This message has been edited by Grundbegriff (edited January 31, 2001).]

  9. #9
    Kyloe
    Guest

    Dreckboun?

  10. #10
    Grundbegriff
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    Originally posted by Kyloe:
    Dreckboun?
    Yes, the Dreckboun, Sunnyfair, and Fendon gambling pits.

    (Oh, and the city of Sunnyfair also has boutiques!)

    G.

    [This message has been edited by Grundbegriff (edited January 31, 2001).]

  11. #11
    Naartjie
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    : Old Quarter
    - Haunted Hammerite Cathedral
    - The Abandoned Keeper’s Grotto

    Deary me, we need to pay more attention in forum classes, methinks!


    You'll need to add:

    -Dr. Evil aka Foolster's Secret Lab.(close by to the Keeper Compound)
    -Karrots' Super Secratively Secluded Secret Base (Quite close to the Cathedral, but you need to look for a 'secret' alleway, find a convenient burrick, stand on it and mantle into the base via a vent. shaft)
    -The Serpentyle Torc House
    -Dr Cray's Medical Practice
    -Zombirella & daughters Dressmakers
    -Bloodstone Prison
    -The Winter Tunnels beneath the Cathedral
    -Cragscleft Prison (don't worry about the upper levels...there's nothing much important round there )
    -The Cathedral Graveyard
    -About 10 Foofie Headquarters.



    And last of all.....The Alarus Extension!

    Naartjie

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    Clan Foofie!

    "Remember the benevolent warmth of fuzzy bunnies"

    Co-writer of LITOQ!
    ...the only thread where you add to the story and see your efforts up on the The Circle!

  12. #12
    Naartjie
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    Just in case you need places to fill out the map, in my fanfics I mention:

    Lord Forridon's Manor- Since Wayside is looking a little sparse, this could go here. However, if you think it's unsuitable for a wealthy man to be situated, it could be moved to Hightowne or somewhere similar.

    The Green Burrick Inn- This can be in Shalebridge, a suitably grubby part of town.

    The Dark Arm Thieves' Guild- A strictly minor guild, also in Shalebridge, close by to the Green Burrick.


    All for now....btw, anyone know where the Baron lives? He must have some sort of large castle to keep his armies in, and I'd guess it;d either be in the centre of the City or somewhere outside it away from the possibility of attack. If it's an old castle/house/fort/whatever, it would probably be built nearby to a river or sea, perhaps on the inside of an ox-bow meander shape (like a sort of really curvy 'C' formation) or backed by high ground. And I'm sure there are dozens of places like Moth that haven't been included yet. The Bogeys'll get you if you don;t include them...


    Naartjie

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    Resident Ambassador to the Spirit World
    Head Of Everything Under The Ground
    for
    Clan Foofie!

    "Remember the benevolent warmth of fuzzy bunnies"

    Co-writer of LITOQ!
    ...the only thread where you add to the story and see your efforts up on the The Circle!

  13. #13
    MissyH
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    What about this from the FM The Vigil by Banshee:

    A Travel Journal
    to the
    Dark Isles

    as recorded by

    Ethelbald Creygan
    son of
    Duke Reginald Creygan

  14. #14
    Sypha Nadon
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    Funny, I've always had an interest in the maps of Thief. I once made my own map of the city that pinpointed all the key locations (yeah, I'm a geek, I know). I've wondered about the Baron's castle too. I think it would be in Hightowne, one of the City's richer areas. First Bank & Trust would probably be either Downtowne, Hightowne, or Eastport, I think. (Dayport has a bank already- Unless they're competing banks?)

  15. #15
    Sharga
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    Thank you so much for that Naart!!!
    Before I got to the bottom of this thread I was beginning to fear that everyone had forgotten what the OLD QUARTER actually was. Perhaps some people need to read the Fanfic: life in the OLD QUARTER. Just a suggestion...

    I love this idea. We should have an actuall (on the parchment picture) map drawn. Though I must admit Grund, yours is very nice. But we need all the details and names.

    Unfortunately my mission is not out yet, but if it was it would be located in the unknown region of town. Perhaps the "wilderness" or "fronteer" But we need a name for the WHOLE place, like the country or something that everything is located on. Is it just England?

  16. #16
    ThiefinRain
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    Sneaksie Thiefsie should have some input here.

  17. #17
    Spitter
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    Originally posted by Sypha Nadon:
    Blackbreak
    Isn't it Blackbrook?

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    [This message has been edited by Spitter (edited February 01, 2001).]

  18. #18
    Sneaksie Thiefsie
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    Originally posted by ThiefinRain:
    Sneaksie Thiefsie should have some input here.
    I'm honoured I think that all of the City districts from the game have been mentioned already, so I don't think I've much to contribute:

    Dayport - I think that the Bonehoard might be here, but that's just a guess [dockers refused to work at night because of the moans from there?]

    Hightowne:

    Primma Donna's apartment [not far from Opera House]

    My fanfics, however, list the following locations:

    CityGate

    Oldbridge:

    -Larnseng's Mansion
    -Wealthy Merchants

    [I imagined Oldbridge to be an early part of the City, and built close to the Docks - the docks also being early, seeing as how they appear to be a major industry in the City.]

    Prisongate:

    -Hammerite Library
    -City Prison [or one of several]

    Sneaksie Thiefsie




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  19. #19
    ThiefinRain
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    Sneaksie Thiefsie, I haven't had the chance before to thank you for your work in the Keeper Theses. I really enjoyed reading them, and I still refer to them from time to time.
    From the somewhat disjointed information available in the missions of TDP and TMA, you have provided a rich and surprisingly detailed description of the Thief environment. This has made me enjoy Thief more than before.
    The only thing missing is a map highlighting the many areas, which is the subject of this thread.
    For our newcomers, if you are a Thief lover, you should read the Keeper Theses on ttlg.

    Thanks again

  20. #20
    ThiefinRain
    Guest

    Digital Nightfall, does this thread mean a map will be prepared? I sure hope so, because it will tie things nicely...

  21. #21
    CyberFish
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    Don't forget that one entrance to the lost city is in downe towne, ad the other is underwater near the docks, meaning the two locations are probably quite near each other.

    The posh parts of the City would be positioned so they didn't catch the smell of the poor areas. Since there is probably an offshore breeze, this would influence the positioning.

    On Markham's isle, if you look through the gap in the cliffs you can see either the sunrise or sunset.

    Pay careful attention to the moon, it could mean that the City is in the southern hemisphere, which may influence a few things.

    The old quarter was probably built before the rest of the City.

    Is the City on a natural river or estuary? I don't think there's any reference to a river flowing through it, but the City does have a network of canals.

    Angelwatch is a bit of an anomaly- the buildings on one side are much smaller than on the other side, where they practically qualify as skyscrapers. Angelwatch is evidently a fairl new building, as is Soulforge. The Mechanist seminary was converted from a Hammerite cathedral.

    The cathedral in Undercover was built after the old quarter, as the Hammerites moved there after the disaster.

    The pagan village won't be too far from Constantine's mansion- he'd want to keep in touch with them.

    The Bonehoard and the Old Quarter both feature burrick tunnels.

  22. #22
    Naartjie
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    I don't think there's any reference to a river flowing through it
    I'm sure there is, I seem to remember perhaps in Bafford's or Ramirez's manor a reference to someone ending up in the bottom of the river if they crossed someone else again...Anyone else remember anything of this sort?


    Naartjie


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    Haunt Manager
    Resident Ambassador to the Spirit World
    Head Of Everything Under The Ground
    for
    Clan Foofie!

    "Remember the benevolent warmth of fuzzy bunnies"

    Co-writer of LITOQ!
    ...the only thread where you add to the story and see your efforts up on the The Circle!

    [This message has been edited by Naartjie (edited February 03, 2001).]

  23. #23
    Mogo_FWB
    Guest

    BAH! Does it take a simple Shockling to point out that there IS a river!?!

  24. #24
    Grundbegriff
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    page_0: "Commissioner deNavan -

    I note with displeasure that again, one of my tough-boys has been \ taken to Cragscleft. May I remind you of the substantial donations I \ make to your office, such that I may \"pursue business unhindered by \ idle scrutiny\"? May I remind you, as well, of your predecessor's \
    unfortunate end? The rivers are so treacherous this time of year.
    This doesn't mean that the river runs alongside the City. It merely means that rivers are within ready access of the mob.

    Cheers,

    G.

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  25. #25
    belboz
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    There's clearly a very large river either flowing through the city or to one side of it in several of the animation brieffings you get before a mission. There's one with a ship on it.

    And the keepers table in the Old Quarter has a map ingraved upon its surface and there's a river marked on that flowing through the city.

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