We thank you.
Just wanted to let you know what a great job you guys did.
After playing Thief 2 I thought: Wouldn't it be cool to make a map of the City?
But I never did anything with that idea. When I see this, I know you have proceeded further than I ever would. What an effort! Great job!
We thank you.
Which would entail what, exactly? Reading this thread?Originally Posted by jtr7
God, wouldn't that be awesome if they did and decided to use our layout? A man can dream...
Heh heh heh. If they don't have access to the original map (though we know they didn't adhere to it always), and they only have the TDS map to borrow fonts from ( ), then we've done the homework for them!
Yes, I'd like to believe they have more original materials, and if not, take a gander in here, if only to get a good guess.
If this is all irrelevant to them, than I sincerely hope they just give us a copy of their new map! This trilogy map of ours will continue to be an ongoing (when it's actually going) project.
I'm sorry to inform you guys that I have lost interest in the SVG map.
Maybe if/when the Ortelius gets released, I'll hopefully get my interest back.
I just thought to let you know in case someone was waiting for an update from me.
Hey, I don't know whether or not you guys already know this, or even if it matters but...
EDIT: jtr pointed out to me that the number is just referring to those who were given servants, but this still should help for mapping as they were positioned in such a way as to engulf the entire city and spread into the lands beyond with little overlap. So here's to it!
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Good find, although it's hard to estimate the true number of higher-class mansions since not all of them will have a Servant ("No no no Sheriff, this one has a capital S."). Plus, for such a big City (for style rather than for realism's sake) thirty mansions would be quite few. Exclusive residential areas could also be there with a higher concentration of them.
Checking the latest herewego map, I think with thirty mansions it could get quite crowded (even on the east bank), with more we'd be forced to expand the City if we assume that every estate is as big as Bafford's ugly yellow box.
Just offering up some info. BTW you guys are doing an incredible job with this project! Keep up the good work.
A tweak for the map at some point:
The lighthouse of Markham's Isle needs to be almost aligned with Angelwatch itself, to the south (of course). Although we know it was for dealing with design limitations, the cut through the rock wall, with the drop to the sea and boulders below, is a narrow slot and the light needs to pass at a straight enough angle to be seen unhindered by solids at Angelwatch.
Any hope for the future artistic map at this point? New software getting learned? Have we reached an indefinite cessation of progress?
Anybody who wants a crack at it is welcome to. By all means--GO FOR IT!
Ain't nobody better be holding out just 'cause someone else might be working on a version...
The last version available to use as the master template, on page 80:
Um, I just completed The Haunted Cathedral in TDP and compared the latest version of the map with the map on the table of the keeper compound. The layout of the city is completely different. For example, on the THC map, Hightown and Downtown are on opposite sides of the river.
Might this be due to the fact that this talisman map was interpreted long ago to show just an anabranch of the river...? Doc_Brown should have linked the history of the MotC project somewhere...
Even then, the layout of the quarters can not be correct. If you look at Hightown, Downtown and the Old Quarter on the ingame map clockwise, they appear in the order
* Old Quarter
On the latest version of the map here they appear in the order
* Old Quarter
So their relative order is reversed.
Also, newmarket and the lost city seem to be out of place. Furthermore the THC map marks the location of the mission Undercover, several brances of the river and most prominently old city walls. All of this is not on the latest version of the map.
From the linked site:
True, but that isn't the case on the map here.The only other map to provide any substantial information is the Talisman map from Dark Project’s Haunted Cathedral. On it, we can see another set of relationships between districts: New Market is shown to the southwest of Old Quarter, Hightowne to the west, and Downtowne to the south.
That "River" is not "THE River", and in fact, in Assassins!, you see the channeled river for yourself in-game. Keep in mind that Talisman map is over 50 years old and The City has changed. Nothing much lines up with it, and that water is certainly not what Randy referred to as a "big friggin' river." But yeah, it's caused a lot of confusion.
So they moved whole quarters? Hmmmm. I don't think I like that explanation.
Could you explain that more since we aren't sure we're getting your meaning?
TDS really threw a wrench into the works, as well, and now makes up the borders of the current iteration.
(Note that the Artifact placement is incorrect from the game itself. The Paw should be on the coast, and the Chalice is nowhere near Ft.Ironwood, let alone it's Catacombs. The dot in the center of Old Quarter should've been where the Chalice was placed.) Look past the Final Glyph and District lines and see all the tributaries flowing to the big friggin' River.
Just to keep others aware of the discussion:
It should be noted that the devs did not adhere to their own working map from game to game. Consider it gerrymandering by the City Council's Inner Circle. They do have elected officials, such as Truart's possibly Mechanist-influenced and otherwise questionable election. Not to mention the canon bribery of Constables and City court officials.
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When Thief 4 appears this thread probably will have a lot more pages to fill.
Only if it's faithful on enough levels to welcome it into the LGS/ISA trilogy.
But yeah. What I'm really hoping for is that they make the ultimate map based on any sketches or art right from the original sources, but that's a dream.
Arise, Thread. I summon you from the grave!
Anyways, has there been any further work done on the project thus far, or are we holding out hope for more from T4?