Reply With QuoteBut if he did that he wouldn't be TELLIN' IT LIKE IT IS
I thought that's what you were on about at first but then you said, on page 5...Originally Posted by Subjective Effect
And now you're saying that that's exactly what you've been on about all along? Christ, would it kill you to admit you were wrong just once? I promise we won't think any less of you just because you didn't know the exact release dates of Doom3 and TDS.
But if he did that he wouldn't be TELLIN' IT LIKE IT IS
I've put it out there as one of many possibilities. It wasn't the crux of my argument though, I just think that an alternative engine would have suited the team and the game better. We agree that the engine, as it stands, is flawed, yes? If so I don't really see the beef here.
dethtoll fails to get it. Again.
No. So far, nobody has agreed with you that the Unreal engine was a poor choice.
I mean the final version that TDS is built on.
Then, once again, you're changing your argument.
You really are dense aren't you?
Recap:
I think that the Unreal engine was a poor choice for Thief DS since it's obvious that the starting platform in combination with the skills of the developers and the demands of the game type have resulted in the flawed engine that we know as Flesh.
I also think that had a different engine been used, specifically one that did not require the team to overcome existing restraints and affect such large (ultimately flawed) modifications, TDS would have turned out better.
Furthermore I believe that the Doom 3 engine would have been more suitable and that the dates of release are not important in this evaluation afterall you wouldn't use a hot poker to scratch your arse because even if it was the only thing lying around it's STILL a poor choice you ignorant bore .
I still don't understand how the programmers would have been any better at programming for the Doom 3 engine than they were for the Unreal 2 engine. Especially when the Unreal 2 engine was perfectly capable of doing everything they needed for DXIW and TDS, as has been mentioned by about 6 people in this thread.
The Doom 3 engine, as far as I can tell from The Dark Mod experience, is better suited to stealth gameplay. It already has dynamic shadows for starters and appears to not need as much tweaking as the Unreal engine did. Let's put it this way - an amature mod team seems to doing a better job of it than the professionals did with another engine.
I wonder if the patient would agree with you. If the alternative is certain death wouldn't you say, "Go right ahead doc, give it your best shot".
The patient might well do that but that doesn't mean that the surgeon will operate because sometimes it's the right thing to not operate. They say that the mark of a good surgeon is knowing when not to operate, and I think that the analogy fits well in the context of the TDS engine discussion.
How well does the Dark Mod run on the Xbox? I think if you look at all of the publisher's design goals for TDS/DXIW and compare them to what more competent developers were capable of doing with Unreal 2, that it was a perfectly reasonable choice of an engine.
Last edited by Jason Moyer; 29th Nov 2007 at 17:56.
If TDS had access to a good surgeon, we wouldn't even be debating the quality of the tools used.
Seriously now Moyer, what has that got to do with it? This is just a pointless aside isn't it?
And if you're questioning whether it could run on XBox Doom 3 is on the other line requesting that you stop asking stupid questions.
True.
I don't think it's irrelevant at all. Would the Dark Mod run on 64 megs of RAM with Thief-sized levels?
Oh this is a drag. I'm not complaining about the level size - they are small and if a different engine meant they were still small BUT we got other benefits then I'd by happy.
I've edited my previous post in respect to games on XBox btw.
I think that says more about the ability of the people involved than it does about the choice of engine.
These back and forths are really interesting, guys.
Yeah, discussion on a discussion forum can be so fascinating.
Oh snap! dethtoll *zings* the Scots! rofl
Haha yeah, "discussion".
Awww, I'm just kidding Scots. This "discussion" is rather dull (mainly because certain people can't think for themselves and I'm having to play the spelling it out game. again. yawn).
Bye Scots. Have fun with DXIW. I'm going to be playing it soon - I also only played the beginning.
CANADIANS
WHAT THE HELL DO CANADIANS KNOW ABOUT CYBERPUNK
THIS GAME IS GONNA SUCK
Well I imagine this game is going to be better than IW at the very least. Not that I know much about IW because I quit playing it during the second level out of disgust. Then again, I did that with DX1 for a time because the first level sucked so hard...maybe I should go back and give IW another chance--
Uh, anyways on the bright side, consoles are a lot more comparable to modern day PCs than in the days of IW/DS so the game will only have a crippled UI and gameplay pruned for simplicity rather than being limited by underpowered hardware specs. Still, with a bad enough dev team, I'm sure they can find a way to screw that up too.
It's nice to see that they're planning on dropping a lot of cash on it because that at the very least suggests the game will look nice which was a major failing point of the previous two games. I being a shameless graphics whore can enjoy a mediocre game as long as it stimulates my eyes.
What I'm really interested in is how obnoxious they'll manage to make hacking/lockpicking. I swear there must be a secret contest going on between all the dev studios.
So sad, but oh so true.
At this moment, Mass Effect is quite securely in the lead.
I find it hard to believe that anything could be as bad as Bioshock's "plumbing".
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