I got a question: Can I find somewhere which contests there have been? I only know the Komag contests and I wondered if there were more...
Take this one for example. To the right of thread titles you can see replies and views. 25k is no big deal being that there are a ton of threads that are just mission hint threads that get over 30-50k over time, but I'm still happy about it.
I got a question: Can I find somewhere which contests there have been? I only know the Komag contests and I wondered if there were more...
Last edited by jtr7; 10th Apr 2009 at 19:16. Reason: "a" silly typo
Thank you, jtr7. That are a lot of contests...
Last edited by PotatoGuy; 11th Apr 2009 at 06:32.
I have to ask: when you talk about the voice acting for the mages being really well done, I assume you're talking about the Thief Gold mages - always one of my favourite of the Looking Glass voice sets - and not my voice acting, which I had thought was a bit muffled and hard to understand?
And on your point about rushed missions - I don't think that mission would ever have existed if it wasn't built in a short time for a contest deadline.
I mainly put in the "very rushed" disclaimer because I didn't have much time to test it before release, though it turned out mostly all right in the end.
Admittedly, I had originally planned to build another area, a crypt full of undead, but I ran out of time and wasn't sure what I would have put in there anyway. Without a time limit, I might well have continued down that line of adding more and more areas and never have finished the thing!
What I always loved about the contest missions was that they are short missions and the authors are usually more willing to experiment with them.
As for the ghosting issue: I often ghost missions, but for some reason I also found the ghosting in Bad Intentions to be extremely unpleasant and tedious. I think it was because there weren't enough places to hide and you had to constantly wait for the right time to move in very long patrols through narrow and well-lit corridors.
Personally, I think that forced ghosting should only be applied if it is relatively easy to ghost the mission, or the ghosting is limited to a small plot-critical section - otherwise it should be an optional objective.
Oh, and it also bugs me when the ghosting objective doesn't warn you when it's been failed, but just quietly gets crossed off (and potentially fails the mission if it's non-optional). If you're going to add a ghosting objective, please put in a little "Ghosting failed!" warning. (I even wrote a script to allow authors to easily build such a setup...)
Last edited by Nameless Voice; 10th Apr 2009 at 21:47.
Quick question about the master index of missions in the first post of this thread - wouldn't it make more sense to list missions alphabetically rather than by the "last updated" date? If someone is searching for a mission, they're going to be looking for the specific name of an FM, not a date. As this thread grows over time, it's going to be more difficult to locate a specific mission.
If someone just wants to catch up on the thread, they can just jump in and find the spot where they last read manually, and read one from there. Just doesn't seem to make much sense to list missions by their review date.
Alphabetical will probably work better in the long run so I'm sure when I get some time and the list gets a bit larger I'll re-work the index.
@ Nameless Voice: I thought the voicework for the main mage in your mission (which I assume was your voicework you mentioned? The readable from the mission downloaded from the keep didnt talk about voice actors, I looked) was rather good. It was clear to me and sounded well done - maybe you are being too hard on yourself?
Also, if the other four mages used voices from Thief Gold that explains why I had never heard them - I never finished my playthrough of gold since discovering Thief 2 shortly after beginning Gold. At any rate, I really enjoyed the voices in your mission.
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Also, Brethren: what's wrong with Ctrl+F?
Some FM's have sought a middle path by imposing blackjacking restrictions ("Don't knock out more than X people"), but I don't really like that, either, because it feels extremely gamey. I can't think of any logical explanation why knocking out five people is ok, but knocking out six is not.
I hate missions that force you to kill people (e.g. as an objective), because to me it's completely against both the spirit of the game and the character of Garrett.
I'm okay with having to kill undead, though.
It's actually something I was considering making a poll on, due to a vague idea for a storyline that was knocking around in my head: do people in general consider Garrett to be absolutely against killing people? Is he "a thief, not a murderer" to everyone?
I'm not sure about Garrett being absolutely against killing people - I would imagine that under some extreme circumstances, he could make an exception, but he'd have to have a really good reason. Personally, I never kill humans unless the objectives specifically require it. There have been a couple of times in FM's where I've found some character so repulsive that I wanted to kill them, but of course those FM's had a specific "don't kill anyone" objective.
As far as I understand the character of Garrett, since he is a thief and almost always carries a sword, he would certainly kill when this would be the only way to survive in a certain situation. Though, he would try anything to never end up in such a situation but if that fails, he would rather kill than get killed.
On the other side, he would never accept any mission which involves killing someone in the first place. And even if he is forced by someone to kill someone else (e.g. by tripping into a trap), he would rather try to escape the situation than just kill the person because someone said he has to do it.
I agree with Jah and SinisterShadow, but I think if Garrett would meet someone and he knew it is the best to get this man/creature killed (like Karras, The Trickster) he would do it, if the man/creature was a threat for "the safety of the world".
The thing that makes Constantine and Karras different in my eyes is that Garrett never kills them directly, he only arranges things so that they will kill themselves - this is especially true in the case of Karras.
Just came back to this thread to edit my post: I wanted to say it tooThe thing that makes Constantine and Karras different in my eyes is that Garrett never kills them directly, he only arranges things so that they will kill themselves - this is especially true in the case of Karras.
I think Garrett has...less guilty feelings if he kills someone undirectly, without sword/fire arrows/etc.
And he doesn't even kill Gamall, but signs her death warrant, so to speak.
First of all, thank you SneakyJack for taking your time for writing a review about my FM Sorry to hear that the ghosting challenge didn't match with your playstyle.
I must bring up that "Bad Intentions" was my first baby and I wanted to include the ghosting objective because I'm afraid without it the mission would have been too easy. I know that not everyone likes ghosting missions, but I'm happy about everyone who enjoyed it. Especially about everyone who enjoyed the background music as this was my own baby too.
Some bugs I couldn't fix, I'm sorry. No idea why the guard on the ground floor doesn't patrol as he should do or why some AIs switch to alert 3 when Garrett douses a torch.
Anyway, thanks for your criticism. I'll see what I can make better when I build another mission.
A better option would just be to go to Image->Adjustments->Levels and manually adjust the start end endpoints on the input levels for RGB rather than the individual color channels. To start with, just move them to inwards to the first bump you see in the graph and tweak from there.
Lord of the Thieves: Attack of the Orcs By Cavalorn
What is the story?: Strange things are going on, Orcs creep through the night and terrify people. They sieged the city of Nahoras and Garrett was contacted by the Keepers to gather information on the Orc attack plan. Now it's up to him to sneak behind enemy lines and find the necessary information. While on his quest, he also needs to find King Elendur's long missing sword: The Flame of the North.
How does it play?: This mission is a nice sneaker. Lot's of shadows to hide and many places to explore. It is kind of straight forward gameplay without many puzzles or complicated climbing parts. There is a nice variety in the settings: you will travel across battlefields as well as through lava flooded caves, mines and foundries.
How does it look?: As already written, this FM offers many different places. The castle with all the siege weapons at the beginning was the best looking part of the mission in my opinion. The layout of all other locations was also nice, but most places looked very empty. There are some really big halls in this level but the space is not utilized well. In general they look some kind of empty, almost like a box with some pillars but nothing more. Most places could have used more detail.
How does it sound?: There is not much sound in this FM, but all sounds fit to the setting and add to the atmosphere. The orc sounds where also nice, it made them really sound like dumb, violent orcs.
So what is the verdict?: If you like Tolkien's work, you should play this FM of course. I would advice this FM for all people who like mixed settings, especially missions inside caves. In many places the "marriage" between Lord Of The Rings and Thief was believable but there were parts of it I didn't like: electric light does not fit to LotR as well as Hammerite banners or Mechanist statues.
I recommend to listen to the music from the LotR movies while playing this FM, it will add a lot to the atmosphere!
They wiped away Nahoras defences...
Balin's last resting place
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I would love to play a reworking of that mission if you ever decide to release one without the ghosting objective and I very much hope that you'll release more missions in the future. I'd love to play them Thank you for your feedback on my feedback so to speak, and thank you for not taking what I said too seriously - you seemed to have understood that my playstyle just didn't fit into the mission and that's exactly right.
@ Kerrle: I understand completely what you are saying - I don't use autolevels for anything that I need to look just right or anything professional - but for the amount of screenshots I crank out daily for these reviews I simply don't have the time to adjust colors and contrast manually for every image. Usually I still have to adjust levels a bit after using the auto feature, but I just don't have the time to manually do every one when I'm posting 8 shots for each mission a couple missions at a time Thank you for your input though, it is appreciated!
@ Intruder: Another fine review my friend, thank you so much! You chose a fine mission and hopefully Cavalorn continues the saga!
Last edited by SneakyJack; 11th Apr 2009 at 22:32.
Damsel In Distress By Dyald
This mission is the selected mission for volume five of Thief: TIS - Click here if you'd like to play it along with the rest of us and share your thoughts!
What is the story?: After hanging up the ol' lockpicks and becoming a partner in the purchase of an Inn, Garrett was just getting comfortable when his pal Basso's sister went missing during a trip into town for supplies. As you can expect, its time to find out what happened to her and bring her home..
How does it play?: The gameplay in this mission is alot of fun. You'll explore a small city section and a large mansion (along with some other areas I wont spoil here) and there is alot to see and do. The mansion area is large and full of enemies, so you'll have your work cut out for you.
There are a few snags along the way in this mission (there are a few rooms where guards are facing the door of a fully lit up room and such) and areas where the AI will go into the motion that they are pushing an alarm button with no alarm button in sight (and consequently nothing happens, this may just be a thief AI bug) but overall you shouldn't have too tough of a time with it. The invisible glowing monsters gave me the most trouble, but they make their appearance toward the end of the mission. Most lights are dousable and the AI patrols are done well enough and spaced out well enough that a blackjacker like me will have a blast KABONGing the daylights out of dozens of enemies. Should ghosting be more your style, you should be able to pull that off here as well.
The story is interesting and creepy and the architecture (though a little boxy for the most part) leads to a few areas of rooftop shenanigans and overall is built well for gameplay.
How does it look?: Taking the overall boxy architecture into account everything looks well done. The city area is bustling with people and feels active, and the mansion area is large and expansive. One area that the looks do suffer in is the overall scale of everything - most rooms in the mansion area are far too big and feel lifeless and empty, often times a giant room with just a chair in one corner and a desk in the other with huge open spaces in between. That being said, the textures look good and for the most part everything looks great.
How does it sound?: The author has included some custom conversations in this mission that are well written, but suffer from poor audio quality. The voice acting doesn't really have alot of emotion behind it (though it does just fine) and a better microphone or recording process would have done wonders for the overall quality.
So what is the verdict?: A very fun mission that certainly will not be a waste of your time and may end up being one of your favorites. Recommended!
Check this one out if you enjoy: Mansion missions, city missions, Mechanists, scripted conversations, strong stories, non-human enemies.
Obligatory SneakyJack Moonlight shot!
For the most part the guards wont give you trouble until they have a reason.
This is one of the more furnished rooms, some of them are huge and pretty bare.
Care for a bite to eat?
Well this is quite grim.
Oh great, its coming toward me.
This is your damsel, and she is most certainly distressed.
SneakyJack, I don't know if you realize it but this is the second time you reviewed this mission in this thread! The third review is the same mission.
(It's actually good news if you got confused: that means this thread already has so many reviews you don't notice if you review the same missions. Let's hope we get confused a lot; let's hope there will be many mor reviews.)