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Thread: T2FM: Saturnine's Rose Cottage (10-31-09)

  1. #626
    Desperately dodgy geezer
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: The Wailing Keep
    If you have found the crowbar, then go back out the loft door again, and close it behind you. You'll figure out where to go.

  2. #627
    Member
    Registered: May 2006
    Location: Russia
    We have a problem translating this mission into Russian. Everything's OK, but we still have no ideas how to translate a title.
    What does the word "Rose" mean? Is it a name of a person? Is it a name of a flower? Couldn't find a single rose in the level, but many empty pots in the conservatory. Maybe they WERE here?
    Any clues, please - WHY "Rose"???

  3. #628

  4. #629
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2009
    Location: Riverside,CA USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Zontik View Post
    We have a problem translating this mission into Russian. Everything's OK, but we still have no ideas how to translate a title.
    What does the word "Rose" mean? Is it a name of a person? Is it a name of a flower? Couldn't find a single rose in the level, but many empty pots in the conservatory. Maybe they WERE here?
    Any clues, please - WHY "Rose"???
    Quote Originally Posted by Basil View Post
    That's the euphemism for the full place name itself Basil -
    a "Rose" is a type of flower!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose

    I have no idea how translations work though - i have no idea if you need to translate rose then cottage or if there is a russian euphemism/slang for the one that "rose cottage" means - using that would be the best for russian speakers to understand right away!

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  6. #631
    Member
    Registered: May 2006
    Location: Russia
    Thanks a lot! I even couldn't imagine...
    (Do non-English speaking persons supposed to know THAT?)

  7. #632
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2009
    Location: Riverside,CA USA

    I am pretty sure the answer to your last question there Zontik is

    No!

    Though I am not certain, I think euphemisms are language specific. Like there may be ones that a russian speaking person are familiar with but an english speaking person would have no cultural context in which to understand it.

    And heck, I was'nt even familiar with that specific euphemism (Rose Cottage) myself!
    ( it's in the very nature of an "euphemism" that it is'nt "common" usage! )

  8. #633
    Member
    Registered: May 2005
    For example it is called "Cold house" in Hungarian (Hidegház) .

  9. #634
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2009
    Location: Riverside,CA USA

    OOH!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensut View Post
    For example it is called "Cold house" in Hungarian (Hidegház) .
    I like that one! HEH HEH!

    Very "to the point"!

    but man, can that be confusing!:
    "Honey, where's the steak I just bought?"
    "It's in the cold house dear."

  10. #635
    Member
    Registered: May 2005
    Yeah, right in the coffin .

  11. #636
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2009
    Location: Riverside,CA USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensut View Post
    Yeah, right in the coffin .
    in Drac's of course, though he's not actually eating it, just doing a bit of sucking up the juices from it!

  12. #637
    New Member
    Registered: Mar 2004
    Location: Upper Sandusky, Oh

    Thank you.

    Saturnine, thank you for a wonderful mission. I can only hope that the people making Thief 4 will have the same level of detail that you have.

  13. #638
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2009
    Location: Riverside,CA USA

    Well,

    Quote Originally Posted by TafferDawg View Post
    Saturnine, thank you for a wonderful mission. I can only hope that the people making Thief 4 will have the same level of detail that you have.
    Sad to say, but I highly doubt they will come anywhere near the bar set by such masterpieces as Rose Cottage, CoSaS, The Flying Age, T2X, and prolly a few others I have yet to enjoy!
    (oh yeah there's also Sensut's Drac and Bathory campaigns - great atmosphere in both!)

  14. #639
    New Member
    Registered: Sep 2008
    Location: Lampfire Hills

    Rose Cottage Help!!

    Playing Rose Cottage mission but can't figure out how I'm to put the 5 spirits to rest, I have no weapons and have looked around for clues but no luck, anyone played it yet??...damn creepy mission, loving it so far

  15. #640
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2009
    Location: Situation's changed, Tom.
    Please post next time in the original thread.

    As for your question, check the chapel again, and especially the holy water 'fountain'.

  16. #641
    Moderator
    Registered: May 2000
    Location: Thunder Bay, On., Canada
    I merged the two threads. Please do as PotatoGuy suggested and post questions in established threads when possible. Thanks!

  17. #642
    FW:FW:FW: SO TRUE!!!
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Seaside, Oregon
    Search seems to be out of order Nightwalker. He may have searched and not found any referrence.

    I tried with ROSE, and COTTAGE and was unable to get any response other than a note to try again with no results.

    But,Potato Guy came to the rescue.

  18. #643
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2002
    Location: England
    This thread came up for me using both rose and cottage with no problem. Might have been down at one point but it is working now.

  19. #644
    New Member
    Registered: Sep 2008
    Location: Lampfire Hills

    Rose Cottage

    AWESOME!! Thanx guys.. started it again and finished.. not sure how I missed the holy water fountain first time but it gave me another chance to play through it again.. Best Haunted House Mission EVER!! gave me big time chills. Thank you Saturnine for such an awesome mission.. again
    also I asume all those cards you must collect give you some sort of bonus?? got most of them but maybe I'll go through it again and see if I can find all now

  20. #645
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2009
    Location: Damp cavern
    Say, when was the Russian thief released anyway? (Little offtopic, sorry. Just curious)

  21. #646
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2002
    Location: England
    Quote Originally Posted by gregak View Post
    also I asume all those cards you must collect give you some sort of bonus?? got most of them but maybe I'll go through it again and see if I can find all now
    Yes it does. You can find the card list here if you need it.

  22. #647
    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett's Shadow View Post
    And heck, I was'nt even familiar with that specific euphemism (Rose Cottage) myself!
    ( it's in the very nature of an "euphemism" that it is'nt "common" usage! )
    Euphemisms are actually quite common, since they are used to "dress up" less palatable terms, most often dealing with sex and death. It's the time/region/social circle that can affect their rarity.

    Speculating about their origins is always fun, though. Mine would lean towards the small, cottage-sized mausoleums of Victorian England (like those found in the FM), which would be decorated with flowers during funerals and visitations. Roses, being the most sentimental of flowers, would feature prominently.

    As these became less common and the modern funeral industry developed, the term came to describe the destination of the recently deceased, the mortuary. Furthermore, it would be a term used by adults towards children who had lost a close relative. "Where are they taking him?" "Don't worry, he is going to the Rose Cottage."

    North Americans, with a shorter urban history and broader cultural mixture (due to continuous immigration), never moved beyond the more prosaic "Funeral Home" or "Funeral Parlour". They are so unfamiliar with the euphemism, that the top Google search result (2009) is the website of a cheerful Bed & Breakfast in Alberta, Canada.

    My Fridays used to be a lot more exciting.
    Last edited by Printer's Devil; 28th Nov 2009 at 02:29.

  23. #648
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2009
    Location: Riverside,CA USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Printer's Devil View Post
    They are so unfamiliar with the euphemism, that the top Google search result (2009) is the website of a Bed & Breakfast in Alberta, Canada.
    HEH HEH HEH! The last place you will ever stay, and for longer than just overnight!

  24. #649
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2007
    AWESOME, just imagine the whole Thief serie with that level of quality...
    What kind of threats could force Saturnine to do more ?

    I did not find cards 3, 4, 9, and 12...
    I know the list is posted a few pages back, bookmarked it in case I really give up.
    (9's location has been asked for more time than 18's, it must be extremely... obvious )

    I just want the general locations, please

  25. #650
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2009
    Location: Situation's changed, Tom.
    General locations:

    3 - Thomas' study
    4 - Hallway near dining room
    9 - Crematorium
    12 - Kitchen

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