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  1. #1801
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    Registered: Jan 2001
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    Quote Originally Posted by dethtoll View Post
    The good news: Mafia 2 is a major improvement over the original. (come at me bros)
    Did you finish Mafia 1 already then? If so, how did you like it in the end?

    A lot of people would say that Mafia 2 was a terrible disaster that should never had happened. I wouldn't go that far personally, I still think it was a good game, but as a sequel to perhaps my favourite game ever, it was a bit of a disappointment. It sure looks great, and that's of course a pretty significant improvement (I spent a lot of time just driving around the snowy city) over the original, but that's just about the only thing that I preferred in Mafia 2. I would love to say that the gunfights are better in Mafia 2 too, but the ridiculously easy difficulty level kinda ruins the fun for me - it's one of the easiest games that I've ever played, and that kills a lot of the excitement. I loved the fact that Mafia 1 was a lot more unforgiving, just one shot from close range could finish you off, so that kept the gunfights pretty tense.

    Reading your thoughts about Mafia 1 actually made me want to install the game and play it again. I'm soon going to finish it for the fifth time, and I'm still enjoying the game almost as much as ever. I know that its story is full of old mafia cliches, but there are cases when cliches just work, and in my opinion this game is one of those cases. I think it helps you get immersed in the story and know the characters better. I like to compare the Mafia 1 experience to watching a great mafia film, where you can jump in and play the fun bits. And there are a lot of really memorable scenes in the game.

    And that's maybe my biggest complaint about Mafia 2, I just don't find the story nearly as interesting. Perhaps one big reason for that is that I don't find the 1950's setting so appealing, but I also feel that the characters are a lot more shallow (and not to mention, total douchebags) and the story is all over the place. I remember reading somewhere that they had to cut down a lot of content in the game because of the release deadline, maybe that explains some of the decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by dethtoll View Post
    The graphics [in Mafia 1] are bad. The car physics are bad. The voice acting is bad. The animations are bad. The gunplay is bad. The AI is bad. The ambience is bad. The sounds are bad.
    Now, I don't want to come across as some over-zealous fanboy, but I actually disagree with most of that.

    Of course Mafia 1 doesn't look as good as the modern games, and it probably didn't look as good as the prettiest games even back in 2002, but unlike many other games of its time, I don't think that it looks ugly now either. At least the graphics don't bother me, and I think it still looks decent.

    I'm a little surprised to hear that you found the car physics bad too, as I found driving in Mafia 1 really fun. The semi-realistic driving model works really well, some of the car chases can be really satisfying when you just manage to squeeze from between two cars, and the car that chases you crashes into them and spins off. Or you manage to push them off the road and into the river.
    I enjoyed just driving around the city sometimes, maybe playing with the cops...
    As a side note, I've heard a lot of people praise the car physics and driving in GTA 3 and Vice City (the only "modern" GTA games that I've played), but I never liked the over-the-top arcade approach very much at all.

    Voice acting is bad? I guess I don't pay as much attention as you to such things, as I'm not a native English speaker, but I always thought that the voice acting in Mafia 1 is quite professional. Now that I actually paid more attention to it this time around, some of it does sound a bit unnatural at times indeed, but not too bad at all, not for a computer game anyway.
    However, I think it's the cutscenes that really shine in Mafia 1, despite of some of the clumsy animation that you mentioned.


    Mafia 1 is by no means The Perfect Game, not even close, but I can't think of many games that get as close to it. Like someone pointed out, the game is indeed very linear and there's nothing to do outside the main missions. The city could feel a bit more alive, but the great 1930's atmosphere is still there. And yes, it might be fun if there were some little secrets or side missions, but I think it could also take away from the movie-like kind of experience that Mafia 1 is (for me anyway), so I don't see some sandbox thingy as an absolute necessity in it.

    Finally, I know that I've been quite critical about Mafia 2, but despite of its flaws, it's still a pretty good game. I couldn't stop playing it when I first got it, but sadly, after finishing it once I haven't felt like going back to it anymore, it just hasn't got the same magic as the original.

    One last piece of advice for you: Stay away from the DLC packs unless you really want something more to play. The two "mission packs" (Jimmy's Vendetta and Joe's Adventures) mostly consist of very short and pretty easy missions with not much of a story line.

  2. #1802
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2004
    Well for the past few months I've been slowly reaching the end of chapter 2 in The Witcher 2: Assassing of Kings and I... just cant do it. I lost a whole week to Witcher 1 (didnt leave my room except for food and the pesky, pesky classes), loved the books, but just cant "get into" W2. I mean it looks beautiful, the combat is more interesting than in W1 but... it's just not grabbing me. The story feels like the most generic fantasy "overthrow-the-king" plot ever, even if it tries to play some unique elements into it.

    I also gave Battle Ogre for the old SNES a whirl and while not my cup of tea I did appreciate it's uniqueness and somewhat revolutionariness for the time/platform it was released on. At first I thought having no control over your units in battle was crap, but as I tried out a few of the combinations I realized there is quite a big strategic potential depending on what kind of a party you form. And the "sit back and watch" actuallt makes you feel a bit more like a commander than when you have to micromange every single unit.

    As my JRPG thread suggests I've been continuing XenoGears but I also just picked up Breath of Fire 4 and Valkyrie Profile so I have been considering giving those a whirl too. I also have Metal Gear Solid I never quite got into back in the day and considering giving that a shot, tho with so many long and cutscene heavy games in the series I'm not sure I want to open up THAT pandora box...

  3. #1803
    Cuddly little misanthropic hate machine
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: 4 doors down, bad side of town

    can't believe he went to all this trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomi View Post
    Did you finish Mafia 1 already then? If so, how did you like it in the end?
    The ending was fine. Good, even. Too bad the entire rest of the game was terrible.

    A lot of people would say that Mafia 2 was a terrible disaster that should never had happened. I wouldn't go that far personally, I still think it was a good game, but as a sequel to perhaps my favourite game ever, it was a bit of a disappointment. It sure looks great, and that's of course a pretty significant improvement (I spent a lot of time just driving around the snowy city) over the original, but that's just about the only thing that I preferred in Mafia 2. I would love to say that the gunfights are better in Mafia 2 too, but the ridiculously easy difficulty level kinda ruins the fun for me - it's one of the easiest games that I've ever played, and that kills a lot of the excitement. I loved the fact that Mafia 1 was a lot more unforgiving, just one shot from close range could finish you off, so that kept the gunfights pretty tense.
    One shot from close range could finish you off, yes, and now you're fucking doing another goddamn attempt to get through the fucking airport. Or the fucking pizza place. Or the fucking prison. Or the fucking museum. Or the fucking motel. Or the fucking farm. Or anything that involves a fucking gunfight ever.

    Reading your thoughts about Mafia 1 actually made me want to install the game and play it again.
    Funny, I was hoping it would have the opposite effect, but there's no accounting for insanity I guess.

    I know that its story is full of old mafia cliches, but there are cases when cliches just work, and in my opinion this game is one of those cases. I think it helps you get immersed in the story and know the characters better.
    What? The cliches don't work. They stick out like sore thumbs, and any immersion they might give is killed by the aggressively inaccessible gameplay.

    I like to compare the Mafia 1 experience to watching a great mafia film
    pretty sure a great mafia film wouldn't be like this

    and not to mention, total douchebags
    Well gee that sounds a lot like... the Mafia!!!

    and the story is all over the place.
    So is Mafia 1's. Nearly all the complaints people had about Mafia 2 apply to Mafia 1, so don't go putting M1 on a pedestal it doesn't deserve.

    And at this point you start repeating yourself.

    Now, I don't want to come across as some over-zealous fanboy, but I actually disagree with most of that.
    Too late. I'm sorry to trash your sacred cow but Mafia 1 is a bad game for all the reasons I've described. And a lot of the reasons you've described, to boot.

    Of course Mafia 1 doesn't look as good as the modern games, and it probably didn't look as good as the prettiest games even back in 2002, but unlike many other games of its time, I don't think that it looks ugly now either. At least the graphics don't bother me, and I think it still looks decent.
    The draw distance is four fucking feet.

    I'm a little surprised to hear that you found the car physics bad too
    You're confusing handling with physics. The shitty handling I can deal with -- that's how real cars at the time behaved. But I'm pretty sure real cars don't go flipping end over end 20 feet in the air because they hit a ruined fire hydrant at high speed.

    Voice acting is bad? I guess I don't pay as much attention as you to such things, as I'm not a native English speaker, but I always thought that the voice acting in Mafia 1 is quite professional. Now that I actually paid more attention to it this time around, some of it does sound a bit unnatural at times indeed, but not too bad at all, not for a computer game anyway.
    Norman's is the worst, but Tommy is spotty at best and several of the others are very bad too.

  4. #1804
    Taking a break
    Registered: Dec 2002

    reply with quote

    Quote Originally Posted by dethtoll View Post
    The ending was fine. Good, even. Too bad the entire rest of the game was terrible.



    One shot from close range could finish you off, yes, and now you're fucking doing another goddamn attempt to get through the fucking airport. Or the fucking pizza place. Or the fucking prison. Or the fucking museum. Or the fucking motel. Or the fucking farm. Or anything that involves a fucking gunfight ever.



    Funny, I was hoping it would have the opposite effect, but there's no accounting for insanity I guess.



    What? The cliches don't work. They stick out like sore thumbs, and any immersion they might give is killed by the aggressively inaccessible gameplay.



    pretty sure a great mafia film wouldn't be like this



    Well gee that sounds a lot like... the Mafia!!!



    So is Mafia 1's. Nearly all the complaints people had about Mafia 2 apply to Mafia 1, so don't go putting M1 on a pedestal it doesn't deserve.

    And at this point you start repeating yourself.



    Too late. I'm sorry to trash your sacred cow but Mafia 1 is a bad game for all the reasons I've described. And a lot of the reasons you've described, to boot.



    The draw distance is four fucking feet.



    You're confusing handling with physics. The shitty handling I can deal with -- that's how real cars at the time behaved. But I'm pretty sure real cars don't go flipping end over end 20 feet in the air because they hit a ruined fire hydrant at high speed.



    Norman's is the worst, but Tommy is spotty at best and several of the others are very bad too.
    lol i agree

  5. #1805
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: god dammit dantes
    Quote Originally Posted by dethtoll View Post
    One shot from close range could finish you off, yes, and now you're fucking doing another goddamn attempt to get through the fucking airport. Or the fucking pizza place. Or the fucking prison. Or the fucking museum. Or the fucking motel. Or the fucking farm. Or anything that involves a fucking gunfight ever.
    Holy shit difficulty in a game batman! Nooo ooh.

    What? The cliches don't work. They stick out like sore thumbs, and any immersion they might give is killed by the aggressively inaccessible gameplay.
    I think you're confusing the fact that the diegesis of Mafia's narrative didn't mesh with its gameplay goals - which is a valid complaint, but you're not presenting it all that well. The story sucks because of the gameplay? Well shit, let's remove the parkour from Sands of Time because there's no fucking way in hell a prince could do those sweet-ass wall jumpin' moves!

    So is Mafia 1's. Nearly all the complaints people had about Mafia 2 apply to Mafia 1, so don't go putting M1 on a pedestal it doesn't deserve.
    Mafai 1 is on a pedestal due to nostalgia. I'll admit it. At the time, we had GTA3 to compare it with, and GTA3's narrative is comparable to a book about monkeys throwing shit at people. Note: this is not to say you can compare it with Gulliver's Travels, because if you do I will wound you with rhetoric on fucking Shakespearean levels.

    Too late. I'm sorry to trash your sacred cow but Mafia 1 is a bad game for all the reasons I've described. And a lot of the reasons you've described, to boot.
    This joke was made. Get more original or get the fuck out.

    The draw distance is four fucking feet.
    Oh, boo hoo. So the technology couldn't live up to what it was trying to achieve, let's not criticise FFVII for looking like a game that spent all of its time being retarded chbified bullshit becaise of its shit-ass poly count.


    You're confusing handling with physics. The shitty handling I can deal with -- that's how real cars at the time behaved. But I'm pretty sure real cars don't go flipping end over end 20 feet in the air because they hit a ruined fire hydrant at high speed.
    Fair point. Try avoiding hydrants, then? Or were they planted in the middle of the street to engender some sort of secret terrible pavement driver vendetta?


    Norman's is the worst, but Tommy is spotty at best and several of the others are very bad too.
    No idea what this is about, did I mention I had an easter egg and too much vodka just now? OH FUCK I JUST INVALIDATED THE ENTIRE ARGUMENT NOW I'M BANISHED TO WATCHING MLP RERUNS AND PEGASUS PORN FOREVAH :'(

  6. #1806
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    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: the Sheeple Pen
    Woah, and I can't believe that you went to all this trouble just to try to convince people that your goddamn opinion is somehow more valid than mine. But then again, that's hardly anything new.

    Quote Originally Posted by dethtoll View Post
    One shot from close range could finish you off, yes, and now you're fucking doing another goddamn attempt to get through the fucking airport. Or the fucking pizza place. Or the fucking prison. Or the fucking museum. Or the fucking motel. Or the fucking farm. Or anything that involves a fucking gunfight ever.
    All the missions are pretty short, the fucking pizza place and the fucking motel that you mentioned can be finished in about two minutes, so I can't see what your problem is there. The fact that you actually have to concentrate a bit on what you're doing makes the game better for me, you can't just rely on some auto-regenerating health bullshit to keep you alive, so that none of your mistakes have any consequences. That alone ruined much of the excitement in Mafia 2 for me, and I'm hardly some hardcore player with amazing skills, I simply enjoy a little challenge in my games.

    Anyway, I can't even remember having too much trouble in any mission in Mafia 1, the only one that I didn't really like was the stupid "boss fight" in the end... but even there the nearest checkpoint was close enough so you "only" had to play about three minutes to have another try.
    You make it sound like you have to play half the game again when you die.

    What? The cliches don't work. They stick out like sore thumbs, and any immersion they might give is killed by the aggressively inaccessible gameplay.
    Oh yeah? The Godfather must be a terrible film then because it also resorts to a lot of the same old mafia cliches?

    Also, it seems like you're confusing "aggressively inaccessible gameplay" with "I'm aggressive because I can't play this goddamn fucking game".

    Nearly all the complaints people had about Mafia 2 apply to Mafia 1, so don't go putting M1 on a pedestal it doesn't deserve. --

    -- I'm sorry to trash your sacred cow but Mafia 1 is a bad game for all the reasons I've described. And a lot of the reasons you've described, to boot.
    I'm sorry to trash your cow-bashing fun, but Mafia 1 is my sacred cow, and I'd appreciate it if you left my holy livestock alone. I just gave you a number of reasons with explanations why Mafia 1 is better than Mafia 2 in my opinion. You seem to prefer Mafia 2 for whatever reasons you have, and hey, that's totally cool with me. If you hate Mafia 1, that's alright too. Like I said, it also has its flaws and I wouldn't expect everyone to love it. But unlike you, I'm certainly not going to waste my time on trying to "prove" that your opinion is somehow more wrong than mine.

  7. #1807
    Cuddly little misanthropic hate machine
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: 4 doors down, bad side of town

    totally ignoring sulphur 'cuz that nigga DRUNK

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomi View Post
    Woah, and I can't believe that you went to all this trouble just to try to convince people that your goddamn opinion is somehow more valid than mine. But then again, that's hardly anything new.
    What the fuck are you even doing? Lay off the martyr complex, it's boring. You're expressing an opinion. I'm expressing my opinion. I'm not trying to claim my opinion's more valid than yours. Certainly my opinion is actually considered less valid around here because A) I'm dethtoll and B) MAFIA 1 IS THE BEST GAME EVAR

    All the missions are pretty short, the fucking pizza place and the fucking motel that you mentioned can be finished in about two minutes, so I can't see what your problem is there. The fact that you actually have to concentrate a bit on what you're doing makes the game better for me, you can't just rely on some auto-regenerating health bullshit to keep you alive, so that none of your mistakes have any consequences.
    No amount of concentrating can make up for the fact that the AI just plain cheats sometimes. It took me an hour to get past the airport, and I can't tell you how many times I'd reload my save at the pizza place only to immediately take 25-50 points of damage; and even if I escaped/ignored that, they'd kill off the Don before I was even down the apartment hallway.

    I simply enjoy a little challenge in my games.
    I like challenge too! I don't like stupid, unfair bullshit.

    Oh yeah? The Godfather must be a terrible film then because it also resorts to a lot of the same old mafia cliches?
    Don't even begin to compare The Godfather to Mafia 1's mess of a story.

    Also, it seems like you're confusing "aggressively inaccessible gameplay" with "I'm aggressive because I can't play this goddamn fucking game".
    Hahahaha what the fuck? The game's loaded with terrible design decisions that make it needlessly difficult. It's called "fake difficulty" that has nothing to do with playing skill and everything to do with the random chance that you might not be killed immediately upon loading a game (and abusing the restore-health-to-100 cheat, had to do that after finally finishing the pizza place gunfight with... 1 HP)

    I'm sorry to trash your cow-bashing fun, but Mafia 1 is my sacred cow, and I'd appreciate it if you left my holy livestock alone.
    No. I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are to yours. So don't give me the "baw you're oppressing my opinion" nonsense because that's exactly what you're trying to do, and as such I grow less interested in amicably "agreeing to disagree" because it's pretty clear you just want me to stop talking about why I didn't like Mafia because you're personally offended.

  8. #1808
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2009

    hey dethtoll,you like fucking codmw which is full of invisible clip brushes (no free movement) and its even not game at all and you talking about things like the voice acting and design ?
    you're a terrible terrible troll.worst troll 0/10

  9. #1809
    Cuddly little misanthropic hate machine
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: 4 doors down, bad side of town
    aw that's so cute, c'mere let me pat you on the head

    here's a quarter, go get yourself a lollipop

  10. #1810
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2009
    Koki is MUCH better than you,dethtroll

  11. #1811
    Cuddly little misanthropic hate machine
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: 4 doors down, bad side of town

  12. #1812
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: ...and mastadons
    DETH?
    TROLL?
    DETHTROLL!

  13. #1813
    El Shagmeister
    Registered: Jul 2000
    Location: Inside your heart, loving you.

    HEY GUYZ, SULPHUR'S DRUNK ON EASTER¡¡¡

  14. #1814
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2004
    so am i !

  15. #1815
    Taking a break
    Registered: Dec 2002
    In my family it's a tradition to drink hot vodka with butter first thing of the Easter morning.

  16. #1816
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: ...and mastadons
    Quote Originally Posted by Koki View Post
    In my family it's a tradition to drink hot vodka with butter first thing of the Easter morning.
    Really? I would've figured you all got together on Easter Morn to offer up back alley abortions to confused teenagers or something.

  17. #1817
    Taking a break
    Registered: Dec 2002
    I fail to see how one excludes the other.

  18. #1818
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Koki View Post
    In my family it's a tradition to drink hot vodka with butter first thing of the Easter morning.
    Wuuut? I never heard of that, is it just your family thing or did I miss a tradition growing up? My fam usually toasts with some home made nalewka!

  19. #1819
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Europops
    Quote Originally Posted by Koki View Post
    I fail to see how one excludes the other.
    Lol. Sometimes he does come out with 'em, eh?


    Aaaanyway. I'm playing Batman Arkham City atm. I didn't get into it at first and there were some issues with crashes, so I didn't play for months. But now that's all sorted. Played a bit more, finding it fabulous. The atmosphere is great and the snippets from the thugs talking about Batman and the super villains is spot on. I'm totally baffled by some of the Riddler trophies atm (I got them all, and all the Secrets of Arkham in BAA) so this is going to be a bit of a mission. So far - thumbs up.

  20. #1820
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I finished L.A. Noire over the weekend, and boy, did that game pick up in Homicide and especially Arson. In terms of game design it's still pretty weak, but once the stories start to link up the overall plot and characters pull it off (at least if you're a story/character whore like I am). The game also reminded me that Rockstar is probably the developer that does the most interesting things with characters in games. They don't always succeed 100%, but when they do they're great. Very much looking forward to GTA V!

    In the meantime I'm still playing Battlefield 3 every now and then (and enjoying it quite a bit), as well as Arma 2: Operation Arrowhead... and I've just got started on Call of Pripyat (with the Complete mod). In between playing STALKER games, I always forget just how lost I feel at first, and this one's no different. Still love the game world, even if the swamps aren't the most exciting starting area. (I prefer the more dilapidated industrial/urban areas.) It's all a bit shootery and militaristic, though, so I might get started on an adventure game on the side... or I might give dethtoll an aneurysm by playing some Dear Esther and enjoying it.

  21. #1821
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    Registered: May 2009
    Quote Originally Posted by Subjective Effect View Post
    Lol. Sometimes he does come out with 'em, eh?


    Aaaanyway. I'm playing Batman Arkham City atm. -snip-
    Yeah I'm doing the Riddler trophies as well right now. Some of them are pretty clever and make you really wonder why they never fit those mechanics into the actual main story levels. There are way too many of them though. It's definitely a case of "less is more".

    The hardest ones to figure out are the pressure plates. If you want to know how they work: A lot of them require you to hit a series of them without touching the ground. The rest activate other things like cages.

  22. #1822
    Member
    Registered: Dec 1998
    Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
    I kinda gave up on the trophies; they weren't particularly fun for me. The main problem, as mentioned, is that they use way too many new mechanics that aren't introduced in any way as you play the game.

  23. #1823
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Gibsonia, PA
    Playing my 2 favorite RPG's of the moment: The Legend Of Grimrock (mmmmmmmmmmm) and NBA 2k12.
    Last edited by Jason Moyer; 12th Apr 2012 at 07:47.

  24. #1824
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Europops
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerker View Post
    The main problem, as mentioned, is that they use way too many new mechanics that aren't introduced in any way as you play the game.
    Yeah, it's a bit frustrating, especially the number of them makes finding the solution in walkthroughs really hard. I'm still going to do them all. I did 100% of everything in BAA so I'm doing the same in this.

  25. #1825
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Whilst I take the time away from .Hack GU part 2 to finish watching the anime series .hack//Roots (which fills in the gaps of what happened in the 8 month gap of time that is unexplained in the 1st game and the damn game just expects that you had watched the anime and knew about it) I've been playing a bit of C&C 2 (standard campaign) on the side. I've yet to fully complete the game with both sides so seemed as good a time as any.
    Last edited by icemann; 12th Apr 2012 at 12:57.

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