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Thread: Sneaky Upgrade: Unofficial patch for Thief 3

  1. #1051
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Played TDS with the SneakyUpgrade, latest version, for the first time today. Unfortunately, i think i noticed an issue. I can't pick up some of the bodies i KO'd in the training mission. Is that a known issue? I was able to pick one up, but the other 2 didn't even highlight as being able to carry them, or interact with them.

    BTW, awesome job on removing the issues the game had, like the movement when peeking left or right, or the loading zones in some missions. Didn't expect that really.

    Edit: nevermind, i guess it's normal that you can't pick up the bodies in the training mission (except for the receptionist). Haven't played TDS for a while.
    Last edited by chk772; 20th Feb 2017 at 13:46.

  2. #1052
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    Some of the NPCs in the Inn mission, if not all, are special because of the tutorial stuff. They caused Beleg Cúthalion some grief when he was removing the same tutorial stuff from the difficulties above Easy.

    That version of the Inn will be included in the next SU - then you can knock out and pick up everybody (as long as you don't play on Easy).

  3. #1053
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Alright, thanks for the heads up.

  4. #1054
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: Deutschland
    Woah, for a moment there I thought I had forgotten something. Phew... New version also has a second exit; that's a first step into a pimped-up version which will, however, still take a lot of time because I am usually busy with...stuff.

  5. #1055
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    A few features that were in the pipeline have made it in. So here's a new beta, Full and Update. Highlights:

    • The non-working Steam option and the Win10 fix from the last beta were removed
    • A 'direct load' option, which is a bit faster, a bit cleaner and hopefully more reliable
    • You can now have multiple quick saves. An additional option to quick load the most recent save, quick or not
    • Some troubleshooting options have been added to the tweaker
    • New Thief 3 Gold Inn mission, without tutorial stuff and with the new exit mentioned above

    Because of the removed Steam option the game exe is now always installed as Thief3.exe. So those using the Steam work-around must update the file name in Steam's library settings.

    The direct load mode, which is on by default in this beta, skips IonLauncher.exe and instead launches a second instance of Thief3.exe directly, when loading a save or new level. Originally it looked like this could be 2-3 seconds faster but fullscreen mode messed that up so it's more like one second. But since the synchronization in this mode is much simpler it may fix the cases of the game hanging on relaunch, as some have reported. (But virus checkers are also a suspect there.)
    In the direct load mode the desktop title bar is hidden for a few seconds around the time of the relaunch, making the transition a bit cleaner too.

    The "numbered quick saves" option makes the game cycle through e.g. 5 active quick saves, "Quick Save 1" through "Quick Save 5", the oldest of which will be overwritten next time (and quick load will of course load the newest). There's also a setting for retaining every quick save... This beta uses two quick saves by default, and maybe the final 1.1.8 should too, to help in cases such as this?
    The "quick load most recent save" will just cause the quick load function to load the latest hard save if it's newer than all the quick saves - so you don't have to remember if you did a hard save or not.
    Both these settings are on a new Save Game page in the tweaker. A couple of existing save game related options were moved there too, and must be re-enabled.

    The tweaker's Advanced page was renamed Troubleshooting, and now exposes some options that may help in certain special situations.

    A quick Win10 install confirmed that the forced windowed pseudo fullscreen mode seems to have been removed, as brightness and vsync were working again after installing updates. As a consequence the fix from the last beta is now off by default, but still available on the Troubleshooting page in case it turns out to be graphics driver dependent or something like that.

    Last but not least, Beleg's intermediate version of the Inn mission has been added to T3G - having received a bit of an update since the version released in FM form:


    Because of this the T3G version has been bumped to 1.3, so it's recommended to finish an in-progress 1.2 play-through before installing this version.

    (Btw. it's not completely true that you can knock out everybody now. You can't get to the guy in that screenshot...)
    Last edited by snobel; 11th Mar 2017 at 05:48.

  6. #1056
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Full version is required for Inn mission, right?

  7. #1057
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    Correct.

  8. #1058
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    How do i "update" an existing version of the Sneaky Upgrade? Is it best to remove it before installing a new version?

  9. #1059
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    Quote Originally Posted by chk772 View Post
    How do i "update" an existing version of the Sneaky Upgrade? Is it best to remove it before installing a new version?
    Just install the new version over it - the previous version will be uninstalled as part of the process. In this case install the Full version unless you're in the middle of a T3G play-through.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abysmal View Post
    Faster loading is great, but... I guess it's time to hold a eulogy for the loadscreen flavor text. Or do the briefing videos replace them in the fat install? (Haven't messed with that)
    You can hold down Ctrl to pause the loading. The videos come before each briefing screen, e.g when you click New Game.

  10. #1060
    Some of the quotes (the most relevant ones) from the loading screens are used in the briefing videos. There's quite a lot of material currently only visible during the loading screens. Modern games sometimes require player interaction before dismissing the loading screen. But it might be a bit of overkill (and probably impossible) to implement that kind of functionality just to be able to see the quotes.

  11. #1061
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Quote Originally Posted by snobel View Post
    Just install the new version over it - the previous version will be uninstalled as part of the process. In this case install the Full version unless you're in the middle of a T3G play-through.
    Thanks, that's great.

  12. #1062
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    Quote Originally Posted by mensch View Post
    Some of the quotes (the most relevant ones) from the loading screens are used in the briefing videos. There's quite a lot of material currently only visible during the loading screens. Modern games sometimes require player interaction before dismissing the loading screen. But it might be a bit of overkill (and probably impossible) to implement that kind of functionality just to be able to see the quotes.
    An improved pause feature, such as waiting for the player to hit a key before entering the game, would probably not be hard to do. But IIRC you only get one quote per loading screen, after that it's tips, which may be valuable to newcomers but otherwise mostly annoying... So yeah, probably not worth the effort.

  13. #1063
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    New beta in the post above, because in the last one a late fix for another issue would cause the first numbered quick save to be "Quick Save 2".

    The only other change is that the 5 ffmpeg DLLs have finally been replaced with one NewDark-style ffmpeg.dll, with unnecessary functionality stripped out.

  14. #1064
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    New beta yet again, as an unknown build issue caused .518 to not start up at all.

  15. #1065
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    1.1.8 is out, containing several bug fixes. If you've had trouble getting the patched game to run, try this version.

    (The following is mostly a rehash of previous beta posts. New, relative to the last beta, is:

    • The Windows 10 fix is on by default again - needed for vsync
    • The option to have multiple quick saves is off by default
    • You can now select NewDarkLoader from the tweaker
    • Thief 3 Gold has an option to switch between the new version 1.3 and the previous 1.2 - handy for people currently playing 1.2

    Those with betas installed should upgrade - especially from .518 and .519, which had the weird intermittent crash on launch.)

    Apart from the bug fixes the changes are:

    • Fix to make vsync (and possibly brightness) work on Windows 10
    • 'Direct load' mode, which is a bit cleaner and hopefully more reliable
    • You can now have multiple quick saves. An additional option to quick load the most recent save, quick or not
    • Some troubleshooting options have been added to the tweaker
    • The 'mouse improvements' tweak is now 'no rotation blur'
    • Select which FM loader to use from the tweaker
    • All binaries linked statically, to reduce installation trouble
    • Moving texture files around when configuring the Collective Texture Pack is now more robust
    • New Thief 3 Gold Inn mission, without tutorial stuff and with the new exit mentioned above

    The Windows 10 fix was apparently found by UCyborg on the Vogons forum. The fix overwrites code in d3d8.dll to disable the pseudo-fullscreen mode imposed by Win10. That's somewhat fragile and may break with a Windows update - a couple of checks were added to detect that.

    This version was supposed to have an installation option to make the Steam overlay work (copied from the Visible Upgrade for DX2) but Steam explicitly disables the overlay for T3, so it wouldn't work. As a work-around to get the overlay working, add the patched game as a non-Steam game. (Browse to the Steam install and select the Thief3.exe file.)

    The direct load mode (enabled by default) launches a second instance of Thief3.exe directly when loading a save or new level, instead of going through an external launcher exe. It looked like this could make loading faster - in practice there's no difference. But since synchronization in this mode is much simpler it may fix the cases that some have reported, of the game hanging on relaunch. (Although virus checkers are also a suspect there.)
    In the direct load mode the desktop title bar is hidden for a few seconds around the time of the relaunch, making the transition a bit cleaner too.

    The "numbered quick saves" option makes the game cycle through e.g. 5 active quick saves, "Quick Save 1" through "Quick Save 5", the oldest of which will be overwritten next time (and quick load will of course load the newest). There's also a setting for retaining every quick save...
    Thief 3 has always had a rep for frequent quick save corruption. Not sure about "frequent", but it does happen. So players relying heavily on quick saves are encouraged to use this feature.
    The "quick load most recent save" feature will just cause the quick load function to load the latest hard save if it's newer than the most recent quick save - so you don't have to remember if you did a hard save or not.
    Both these settings are on a new Save Game page in the tweaker. A couple of existing save game related options were moved there too, and must be re-enabled.

    The tweaker's Advanced page was renamed Troubleshooting, and now exposes some options that may help in certain special situations: Attempted loading of damaged saves, ReShade/dgVoodoo work-around etc. The direct load mode can also be disabled here.

    The "mouse improvements" tweak has been reduced to a "no rotation blur" tweak. The other part of the original tweak, zeroing MouseLagThreshold, is now always active (with an option to disable).

    The tweaker's fan mission loader page now allows you to select which FM loader DLL to use. The bundled default is FMSel, but a recent alternative is NewDarkLoader, which aims to combine the best from FMSel and the classic DarkLoader for Thief 1-2.

    The bundled C++ runtime in previous versions were causing installation trouble for some users, so from now on binaries are statically linked. That also makes things easier for Wine (Linux/Mac) users.

    Last but not least, Beleg Cúthalion has provided an updated version of the Inn mission for Thief 3 Gold. This is not the final Inn map, but an intermediate version, which has had all tutorial stuff removed except on Easy - and there's a new exit:



    Because of this the T3 Gold version has been bumped to 1.3, which means old savegames will not be visible after installation. Use the button on the tweaker's FM page to temporarily revert to version 1.2, e.g. to finish a play-through.
    Last edited by snobel; 25th May 2017 at 16:25.
    Widescreen and tweaks patches: The Sneaky Upgrade for Thief 3, the Visible Upgrade for Deus Ex 2

  16. #1066
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Thanks for your work guys, you rock.

    BTW, just a heads up, not suspecting anything, but, Avast Free found a virus signature in the 1.1.8 installer, "Win32:Evo-gen". I can't upload such a big file to them, because i have quite a slow internet connection, just to let you know.
    Last edited by chk772; 21st Mar 2017 at 13:26.

  17. #1067
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    Thanks - virus checkers seem to always think they find something in Inno Setup installers. Avast is particularly problematic it seems - there's been a report on Mod DB that it'll keep the patched DX2 from even starting up.

    I ran the Update Edition through Virus Total: 3 / 61 positives, which is normal. Avast is one of the three. I've uploaded the Update to them now.

  18. #1068
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Thanks man. Virus scanner just seem very sensitive these days. Already had the one or the other false positive with Avast.

  19. #1069
    New Member
    Registered: Mar 2017
    Hello everyone, just a few questions:

    I noticed that the original Thief Deadly Shadows' intro trailer has this quote in the beginning:

    "Cry, Brethren, for the Betrayer is Come. Your Hands will be Crippled, and you will Perish as the Wretched Outcast in the Bleak Unwritten. And you will know the face of the Destroyer."

    But the SneakyUpgrade cuts it out...Can I ask why ?

    Are there any other cut outs ?

    Are the new 1.1.8/1.1.7 videos very different from the original Thief Deadly Shadows' videos ?

    Many thanks

  20. #1070
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2002
    Location: Texas
    Well now that I have upgraded to 1.18 nothing works. The game loads to menu and when I try to start a new game it crashes to desktop. Newdarkloader won't even load the game to menu at all if I click play thief 3. I'm afraid to try a fam mission. Tell me where the log is and I can post it for you. Please help!

  21. #1071
    New Member
    Registered: Mar 2017
    I have two more questions :

    I upgraded to 1.1.8 just now...

    for some reason the in-game tips for the starting level are gone..How do i restore them ?

    Why can't i kill civilians ? what settings should i change in order to be able to kill/knock out civilians ?

  22. #1072
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I can't say anything about the civilians, but I think this bit posted earlier by snobel should answer your question about the in-game tips:
    Quote Originally Posted by snobel View Post
    Last but not least, Beleg Cúthalion has provided an updated version of the Inn mission for Thief 3 Gold. This is not the final Inn map, but an intermediate version, which has had all tutorial stuff removed except on Easy...

  23. #1073
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolonial View Post
    Are the new 1.1.8/1.1.7 videos very different from the original Thief Deadly Shadows' videos ?
    The videos are not a replacement, so the originals are all there. In addition, each mission now has a introductionary video. Deadly Shadows didn't have briefing videos preceding each mission, but this was handled by just having the text in one of the menu screens and Garret narrating. The new videos use Garrett's audio and the text is still available in one of the menu options after the video has ended.

  24. #1074
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    Yes - play the Inn on Easy difficulty if you want the tutorial stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolonial View Post
    I noticed that the original Thief Deadly Shadows' intro trailer has this quote in the beginning:
    "Cry, Brethren, for the Betrayer is Come. Your Hands will be Crippled, and you will Perish as the Wretched Outcast in the Bleak Unwritten. And you will know the face of the Destroyer."
    But the SneakyUpgrade cuts it out...Can I ask why ?
    Not quite sure what you mean. The quote is not part of the trailer video, but a screen shown before it starts, when you leave the game idle at the menu. Did you select the trailer to show on start-up in the tweaker? If so, you'll see only the video, not the quote.

    Are there any other cut outs ?
    Are the new 1.1.8/1.1.7 videos very different from the original Thief Deadly Shadows' videos ?
    What mensch said, and the SU doesn't modify the original videos in any way.

    Why can't i kill civilians ? what settings should i change in order to be able to kill/knock out civilians ?
    This would be nothing to do with the SU I think. If you're still talking about the Inn map, then it's probably an artefact of the tutorial elements. If you find that it's specific to the Inn mission, then you can post a request here - Beleg may agree and change it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stingm View Post
    Well now that I have upgraded to 1.18 nothing works. The game loads to menu and when I try to start a new game it crashes to desktop. Newdarkloader won't even load the game to menu at all if I click play thief 3. I'm afraid to try a fam mission. Tell me where the log is and I can post it for you. Please help!
    First, try disabling your virus checker and see if it makes a difference. If not, try disabling the 'direct load' mode on the tweaker's troubleshooting page. Also, you need the very latest NDL - 1.4.7_2 but if the original game doesn't work, then FMs likely won't either.

  25. #1075
    New Member
    Registered: Mar 2017
    "Not quite sure what you mean. The quote is not part of the trailer video, but a screen shown before it starts, when you leave the game idle at the menu. Did you select the trailer to show on start-up in the tweaker? If so, you'll see only the video, not the quote."

    true, If I keep it idle at menu, Quote + trailer plays. But that's not how the original game was ... the original game plays Quote + trailer when you start the game...anyway Thanks alot for answering my questions...

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