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  1. #51
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    Registered: May 2004
    For me, the problem with the articles is that there are a lot of claims in the articles and not a lot of proof. It's basically just rumors and opinions by some former employees mixed in with some op-ed. Without proof, the rumors about how backer money is used for private purposes are nothing more than that... unfounded rumors. "Oh, the guy has a nice house, must be paid with backer money." And that's nothing to say about the parts that basically amount to personal attacks.

  2. #52
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    Registered: May 2000
    Location: North of the equator.
    Without proof, even the nine other clocks are broken. Unless we live in a world were you are automatically guilty until proven innocent, the burden of proof still falls on the accuser or accusers (in this case, the journalists writing these articles). Otherwise, it is nothing more than cheap crappy clickbait journalism at its worst.

  3. #53
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    Location: Finland
    I heard a podcast about this thing recently. Switchtracking! It's when 2 people are arguing over different things, but think they're arguing about the same thing.

    Nedan, I agree with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedan View Post
    the burden of proof still falls on the accuser or accusers (in this case, the journalists writing these articles). Otherwise, it is nothing more than cheap crappy clickbait journalism at its worst.
    But it seems you don't actually understand what the "Even a broken clock is right twice a day" proverb means. In this case it does not mean "Derek Smart is right", it means "Derek Smart could be right".

  4. #54
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    Location: North of the equator.
    I know what the proverb means (I still find the proverb stupid along with the other one I posted). My problem is that Derek Smart has a long (really, really looooong) history of crap like this. From potentially lying to bait & switch tactics to just outright trolling others because he gets off on stirring the pot out of some weird fetish of his.

    The proverb that might fit him best would be classic tale of chicken little. He has claimed that there is fire when there isn't even any smoke. And he has done this so much over the years that it is hazardous to ones health to even try believing him on any crap he says anymore. Personally, I feel that for anybody to even remotely take this troll seriously needs to have their head throughly examined.

    But... could he be right? Sorry but I refuse to acknowledge the town troll on general principle as he has his own ulterior motives on why he attacks RSI or anyone. If I was pushed to answer, then I'd say no. Now RSI isn't squeaky clean by any stretch of the imagination.. but no developer really is. And going on Derek Smarts past history alone, I'd more than likely believe that he doesn't really care if any of us get screwed out of our pledge money. He probably cares more about shutting down a game (Star Citizen) that could potential be like his games but with the added benefits of not being developed by him (always a plus in my book), being better over all (more user friendly, better control scheme, etc.), & actually more mainstream compared to anything he has ever slapped his name on.

    So it isn't about whether he could be right or not... it's more along the line of not feeding the town troll.

  5. #55
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Quote Originally Posted by Nedan View Post
    So it isn't about whether he could be right or not... it's more along the line of not feeding the town troll.
    The point is, though, that others say the same thing. Are they automatically wrong just because Derek "Broken Clock" Smart says these things too? If it was *just* Smart making these allegations, it'd be easy enough to ignore them outright, but as it is, saying "Well, if Smart *also* says so, obviously it's BS!" is perhaps a bit facile.

  6. #56
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    Registered: May 2004
    A lot of the stuff is instigated by Derek Smart, though. The first Escapist article was practically a mouthpiece for him and the second article is a reaction to the first one.

    I'd probably be a lot more concerned if I had backed the game, but from what I've read of the allegations, there doesn't really seem to be any solid proof for any of it. There are no screenshots of e-mails which would confirm the awful treatment by the management. There are no photos of receipts which would indicate backer money being spent for private purposes. There aren't even any direct witnesses -- just people who have heard something or who reckon' something.

    Instead we have quotes like:

    "It's never been done because it can't be done."
    - Several sources

    "...four months were spent filming performance capture with this all-star Hollywood cast, at a cost that several employees anticipate being astronomical."

    "...company has less than $8 million of what was raised from the crowdfunding efforts left - a number that several employees have stated is "common knowledge" within the company..."

    ...and so on, to the tune of Leonard Cohen, everybody knows that the project is going to crash and burn. It seems to be so obvious that no proof is really needed, because of the narrative that has been created.

    Just take one specific allegation -- the reason for the higher priced ships appearing is apparently that the company needs money badly, so they started selling 900$ ships all of a sudden (to appeal to the previously untapped rich gamers market?). A much more reasonable explanation for this, however, might be that the higher priced ships were just next in line and always planned. Every little tidbit suddenly gains huge significance to the conspiracy theorists and to the people who already want to believe the worst.

  7. #57
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    Registered: May 2004
    Well, this escalated quickly (the letter added at the start): https://robertsspaceindustries.com/c...o-The-Escapist

  8. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Well, this escalated quickly (the letter added at the start): https://robertsspaceindustries.com/c...o-The-Escapist
    The fallout of that is probably going to be a lot of ad revenue (via massively clickbaity titles for articles) for sites covering the events...

  9. #59
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    Registered: May 2004
    Well, those who are prone to clickbait are going to clickbait, but I think Forbes, for example, has handled this pretty well, all things considered.

    Stories like this is why I'm so sad that video game journalism is a joke. A reasonable publication would have waited with the story and tried to find out whether there was something behind the rumours instead of rushing to publish them. Perhaps even hired a detective agency or done some investigative journalism. Now, even if there have been some wrongdoings, there has been ample time to get rid of evidence.
    Last edited by Starker; 4th Oct 2015 at 15:33.

  10. #60
    I'm not going to pretend I have the foggiest idea what the truth is here. I just wanted to say that this bit of the prefix to the latest letter from Cloud Imperium made me laugh out loud:
    Corporate at Defy Media asked us to delay publication of this letter while investigating, but we feel strongly that the record needs to be set straight without further delay.
    Last edited by Shadowcat; 5th Oct 2015 at 04:55.

  11. #61
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    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Pacific Northwest
    I’m also pretty concerned that your reporter on this is compromised and pursuing her own agenda...Lizzy Finnegan appears in this tweet from Bandit@istheguy:


    Somebody get the popcorn! Preferably some that hasn't been cried on recently.

  12. #62
    PC Gamering Smartey Man
    I <3 consoles and gamepads

    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: New Zealand
    Somebody's on a crusade.

    https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/651196488840667136


    Men who live in glass houses...
    Last edited by EvaUnit02; 6th Oct 2015 at 22:23.

  13. #63
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    Registered: May 2000
    Location: North of the equator.
    Sorry Thirith, but Starker already answered for me with that "A lot of the stuff is instigated by Derek Smart" post.

    Anyways, I saw these three articles linked on BluesNews & felt they were worth adding to this thread for reference...

    Forbes: Everybody Needs To Calm Down About 'Star Citizen'
    PCGamesN: Star Citizen's pace of funding has accelerated, and it's powered by new backers
    Kevin Dent - Video Game Exec - His Take on Star Citizen

  14. #64
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    That's right: THIS THING!



    A big ol' chunk of gameplay showing off planetary landings, taking missions, doing missions, shooting at things in outer space and on the ground. I do like how seamless is all looks. My fave part is probably ~33min when he jumps out of the ship and flies into the other one. I've been wanting a zero-G FPS since playing Shattered Horizon so all that stuff is good stuff.

    I'm not a backer, and I have no intention of paying ridiculous sums for ships and whatnot, but if this thing ever comes out and has a reasonable one-payment pricetag on it, I might get it!

  15. #65
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France

    Necro

    Looking good I must say: https://youtu.be/pdCFTF8j7yI

    Obvious NMS-induced cynicism in reserve.

    [EDIT] Though I must add that I'm not convinced about the ATV design - wheel clearance looks insufficient for not constantly being grounded.

  16. #66
    Is this by any chance what happened to Infinity: The Quest for Earth?

  17. #67
    PC Gamering Smartey Man
    I <3 consoles and gamepads

    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: New Zealand
    47mins of gameplay footage. I can't be bothered to comb through all of this anytime soon but I will say that those American commentators are pure cringe.


  18. #68
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    Location: Finland

    here's the Onion Knight himself to tell your about SC's latest crazy feature



    On one hand, the development of this game is increasinly reminding me of Duke Nukem Forever, where they just kept piling on more and more ambitious ideas until it was a huge, bloated mess that could never get released in any kind of reasonable shape.

    On the other hand... cool.

  19. #69
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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    I'm actually pretty reassured by their video demos, but yeah, hoping they actually manage to lock down the game before time takes its toll on the tech becoming outdated.

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