I put it up on Southquarter too:
Thief EP 2.0
Last edited by Constance; 23rd Nov 2014 at 16:02. Reason: Updated again
Just had a quick look at the first mission with Basso and IMHO a lot of the new texture dont look anything like the originals, some are the wrong scale and other look so out of place they ruin the original feel of the level.
Wow, completely missed this thread until now. But this is great, I wondered when a new version of this was going to be put together. Downloading now!
There was a new blackjack model included in AntiMatter16's Thief 2 Fixed missions that is missing from this package. May I also suggest that the new light gem and health shields from Mission X be included?
Last edited by sNeaksieGarrett; 23rd Jun 2013 at 17:18.
Yes, I think this is a good idea, to make a new sort of standardized drop-in pack to replace old awful resources such as the original low poly objects, and using higher detail but true-to-source-material textures and object/model skins. The only problem I'm seeing right now in this regard after being away from the community for years is that a lot of the commonly used patches today that have fixed/custom resources have a lot of conflicts (in some cases redundancies, same files) with what's in this pack. For example the stuff included in TFix and Tafferpatcher has some conflicts with some of the stuff in this pack. It was a lot simpler way back when there weren't so many things floating around and you could run the original game without the need to modify much to get it all running.
I'd probably be willing to put some work into helping this along in getting a coherent up-to-date drop-in by sorting out these conflicts. I'm not much of a "modder" myself as in creating art assets and content but I'm pretty good at tinkering with things in this regard. It's just kind of daunting in that it's hard to tell which things came from where and which is the "better" resource as there's been pretty much zero keeping of inventory documentation in any of these mods as to what went into where.
There are also some "questionable" (possibly some consider it not enough like original) things that some people would also maybe want to drop in as well such as replacement light gem and health shields as pointed out above. I know with textures a lot of people don't like ones that don't closely resemble the originals. Some object replacements (like for example Targa's slightly higher poly potion bottles, crystals and arrows, bow sights and others) would be nice drop-in replacements to consider as well, since this pack is for NewDark and most anyone running this is going to have hardware that is capable of handling somewhat higher polygon counts than the original Thief 2, a 13 year old game at this point. Some may consider some of these not original-like enough, but another custom crf could be made and loaded in for this.
Loading in this order: .\mods\EP2\Thief1+.\mods\EP2 will work
But loading in this order: .\mods\EP2+.\mods\EP2\Thief1 will NOT work and you'll still have backwards torches. I guess it checks everything it loads and if duplicate files are find it loads the one specified first in the load order. You will want to load Thief 1 specific resources first.
This again part of why I think is why there needs to be a sort of standard package for these kinds of drop-in enhancement replacements.
Does anyone else have this problem:
On Thief 2 Life of the Party, the windows are scaled wrong for me. I changed the .mtl files for win323.png and win323l.png to this:
Which is strange, because the default .mtl files were already set to terrain_scale 32 64, which should have worked properly but had the windows tiled twice for me.Code:terrain_scale 64
Also, interestingly enough, the original texture pack I got from NecroBob did not have any mtl files at all and I did not have this scaling issue.
In addition, the moon looks wrong on this level as well. (There's a big white box around the moon.) I took a look in the .crf file and there's duplicates of the moon in there. I deleted all the .png textures to test it, and the white box went away.
Missing items from schwaa's t2 obj pack:
Any reason these weren't included?
I've just been playing some fan missions recently, and a lot of the custom readable backgrounds are being replaced with the new plain scroll texture.
You should make sure to play under NewDark and use FMsel to avoid that problem. FMsel is the superior option to avoid resource conflicts and play FMs as authors intended them to look as it uses NewDark's extended resource loading priority capabilities.
It loads them in with this order of priority
- ubermodpath resources specified in cam_mod.ini (don't put things in here obviously if you want to see what the FM author intended)
- fan mission resources
- modpath resources specified in cam_mod.ini (should set the EP to load under this variable)
- everything else
Downloading... hopefully some of these are a better match than in the first EP. I'm going nuts making an FM with some of those (otherwise great looking) textures!
A few notes so far, maybe I'll do something about it myself and submit the "fixes" if no one else is available...
clnbrik1 (the green bricks): they repeat a bit too obviously. It's because they start dark at the top left of the texture, then get lighter on the way down and to the right. It's subtle, but definitely there.
obaswal7 . It doesn't "square" well (that is, if you make a cube and apply this texture, it looks a bit weird that a bunch of rounded-off blocks would suddenly come to a sharp edge at the corner. Also, even if the texture is perfectly aligned, the bricks fit in at odd places at the edges), the color is a bit too bright and its background is a bit too dark, leading to a cartoony feel. However, this is with light_bright on, so maybe it looks better when it's dark with more natural lighting? Still looks very nice, though.
blustn: Looks 100% better than the last entry. However, the doors and windows made to fit on blustn don't all match up anymore
Time for an updated version?
There haven't been enough new textures that meet up to snuff to put into the enhancement pack. But yes, any updates as to the direction of things so far?
Well maybe not new textures to warrant an update, but a bug fix patch should be made.
the development thread.
At this point, I'm just collecting what other people make and packaging up.
Right, that's what I've been going by. But as of today, I'd say there's enough new textures to merit update. I see MaxED has been working diligently.
Updated the link in the first post to point to the latest alpha, which was from the 20th of November 2013.
Known issues: healing and invisibility potion models not included.
is new blackjack WIP?
I can only see original one
No, I don't think so. The rendering of player arm models was always notoriously buggy, which made new arm models a bit pointless.
I believe NewDark fixes that bug, though. Now we just need someone to make and contribute such a model.