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Thread: Top Games Ever For Various Categories

  1. #126
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    I ascribe it to FO3 being the 'first' game in the FO series for most people who became recent fans. You generally find when something's new and has an uncanny sense of brilliance to it, you tend to look at it in a manner that glosses over the imperfections. When a sequel arrives that does things better, it's lost that sheen of fantastic newness to it, hence can't really be as good as the first one.

    I mean, I'm an example of that, possibly to my detriment: I'd hardly think anyone who played FO1 first considers FO3 to be better; if they did, I'd nod my head and thank them for being one of the contributing factors towards the existence of NMA.

  2. #127
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    I think it's a syllogism issue. We may not be talking about the Western RPG which has the best roleplaying, we could be talking about the best game in the Western RPG category.

  3. #128
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    But, then, clearly, it would have to be Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.

  4. #129
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    That's the thing though, faetal: I can imagine reasons why someone might prefer Fallout 3, but I can't think of many reasons why it should be a better game than New Vegas. The criteria I can think of are mostly matters of taste (setting, story, characters), and other than bugginess I find it difficult to come up with anything that FO3 does better than NV that isn't done better by other games that might be called RPGs. (Doing a quick Google search to find out what others say about this...)

  5. #130
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    In terms of game systems, as in, which game plays better depending on your outlook: subjectively, one place where FO3 has it better than NV is the fact that it's a low-stress walkabout where you get high-powered weapons before you can blink, and can cheese through anything the game throws at you by chucking enough ammunition around the landscape. It's a fast-food buffet, essentially, and you can dip in any time. NV and the rest require a certain amount of investment before you can reap the dividends, while FO3's remit is mostly instagratification.

  6. #131
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    Depends who is making the list. Many people might prefer RPGs to be heavier on the G than the RP.
    I'm not qualifying the outcome, just speculating on the process.

  7. #132
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    I totally agree that NV is the better game. Hell, for me it's the best game in the series. I wouldn't say that you get high powered guns early. From memory you don't get the good stuff (laser and plasma weapons) until much later on, which is completely in line with FO3.

    3 does have the better start to it with the vault, stuff with the father etc, but it all comes down to the individual. The big talking point with 3 was Megaton and your choice in how to deal with the bomb there. I find that that is the 1st topic that comes up when I talk to people about the game, as that for many was where you made your big character RP choice of which direction you wanted to go.

    4 on the other hand was just such a massive disappointment for me. You can get a power armor in under a hour, which COMPLETE negates that feeling of having to work hard to get the good stuff which was just such a staple of every single Fallout game prior. It also lacks the morality choices that played such a big part of NV in particular.

  8. #133
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    In FO3, you get the Fat Man and a bunch of ammo for it pretty early on, along with millions of grenades and frag mines, as well as a metric shitload of small guns and rifles after you're through with a bunch of main quests. You're never exactly struggling to survive, apart from the opening couple hours where you might be stuck with just a 10mm pistol for a while.

  9. #134
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    Registered: Jun 2004
    I think FO3 got the award because it did 90% of the work and NV just built on that and polished it. Yes, NV is the better game, but FO3 was the more innovative at the time by bringing Fallout into a first person shooty mode. IMHO it also did a surprisingly good job of it too, at least as far as atmosphere and translating the desolate wasteland to 3D.

  10. #135
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Top 10 Handheld Spinoff Games added.

    Glad Metroid Fusion and Crisis Core got in there, as both are damn great games.

  11. #136
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Top 10 Video Games Overflowing With Content added. Good list overall. My favorite types of games, despite the time sink required.

  12. #137
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    Registered: Jun 2004
    Hmm seems like half the titles are jRPGs where the "most content" translates to "most grinding." Meeeeh

  13. #138
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    Yeah, their metric seems to be primarily the total number of hours spent, without anything so much as a quality filter for the side-activities that pad out the length. The western RPGs aren't exempted from that either. 70% of DA:I is cheerless 'collect #number of [item]' which invariably means trawling a map of respawning enemies to kill them and collect the things from their vaporising corpses, or to spam the radar key every few inches of terrain to highlight the things embedded in it.

  14. #139
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    I can't speak for the Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest entries, but I've played Disgaea. You could call it grinding. Though it's in dynamically created levels each time around as you level up your weapons (via going into item worlds to fight monsters, and the more of those levels you get through, the more you level up your weapons), though you also have numerous completely optional side areas that you can get into. Hard as hell, but fun regardless.

  15. #140
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    So RPS put up a list that I can kinda agree with in general: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...st-space-games.

    I'd query Descent being a 'space game', because, well, you're never actually in space when you're playing it. Aside from that, they got number 1 entirely right as far as I'm concerned. Elite fans might not be too chuffed about that, though.
    Last edited by Sulphur; 17th Mar 2016 at 23:57. Reason: probably for the best best to not accidentally link to #1 in a countdown of 15

  16. #141
    Level 10,000 achieved
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    Well it's an good list if you're only counting spaceship games with a prominent realtime combat component, tho the heading "Space Games" suggests something broader than that.

    Henke's Top 5 Space Games
    1. FTL
    2. Lunar Flight
    3. Elite: Dangerous
    4. Decent
    5. Freespace

  17. #142
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Pyrian's Top 5 Space Games
    1. FTL
    2. Homeworld
    3. Mass Effect
    4. ???
    5. Profit!

    ...I don't play many space games for some reason.

  18. #143
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    Yes. As Pyrian just succinctly sent it up, that list isn't so much 'space games' as it is 'space sims or thereabouts', for which it's a reasonable bunch of similar-ish games lumped together.

    Also, 'Decent' is exactly how my friends in school used to pronounce it, which I always thought was slightly unfair.

  19. #144
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Hmm. My top 4:

    1. Wing Commander 3
    2. Wing Commander 4
    3. Freelancer
    4. Descent
    5. FTL

    I've not really played that many really.

  20. #145
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Top 10 Mortal Kombat Games added. For me MK 2 is the best of the lot but meh. I can't really speak as MK 3 Ultimate was the last one I've played. Quite tempted to play 9 at some point as I've heard nothing but good things about it.

  21. #146
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    Okay, that is faintly ridiculous. Top 10 Mortal Kombat games in a franchise that only has 10 cardinal games, and 9 spin-offs/remixes/whatever?

    What's massively ridiculous is that they haven't recognised that the best MK game is, of course, Mortal Kombat Advance. Nothing else compares.


  22. #147
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    Registered: Jul 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by icemann View Post
    And Fallout 3 gets best western RPG of all time.
    This pick was manufactured to maximize controversy. By no objective measurement would anyone seriously contend that FO:3 is even the best of the Fallout games, much less "best western rpg of all time." This is just a strait up troll.

  23. #148
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Fallout - New Vegas no question (as for best Fallout), but Western RPG of all time? I dunno. Probably that. Very hard question.

  24. #149
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Clunky UI aside, the first Fallout nailed the atmosphere and the setting, IMO. I really should replay it sometime soon.

  25. #150
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Ok, my top 5 space games.

    1. Hardwar or X3 (ok Hardwar is set on Titan not outer space, but it's my favorite of the Elite-likes so I nudged it in. If it has to be an Elite-like in pure space, then X3 would take its place)
    2. Star Ruler (my favorite of the Homeworld-like genre)
    3. Little Stars 2 (handheld micro-4x. Gets in only because I play it constantly on my train commute)
    4. FTL (you all know it)
    5. Space Engine (pure sandbox exploration, each new version gets a little more polished and gamified, and with orbital mechanics added it's just about taken over Orbiter on the pure spacecraft sim front)

    Runners up or not exactly what we mean by Space game I guess: Orbiter, Kerbal Space Program, Space Engineers, Lunar Flight, Alpha Centauri, System Shock 2, Dead Space
    Well rated games that don't really do it for me: the Mass Effect series

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