its own Wikipedia page!
And the fact we can't have stuff like that any more because some overzealous prudes think this somehow detracts from a smart and witty person is why people are voting Trump. Meanwhile young women completely get its power and can't wait to wear that piece on their own terms.
Let's just say if I had one I'd wear it for you.
And don't you forget that the people who hold this fantasy dearly are the ones who built the internet for you.
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Sooo...... If we take the string of insane leaps to its illogical conclusion... Kolya thinks Al Gore voted Trump?
Al Gore invented Trump.
Think about it.
I'm thinking about it
Thinking about thinking about it?
Not giving a crap.
In short, I agree with Kolya and Trumps victory can tangentially be attributed to over reaction to oversensitive weenies.
And Walter Winchell invented Hitler.
It's not oversensitive man, it's what women think about it. I am repeating what women say and have said to me about stuff like this. You can call em feminists if you like, but really you're just talking about women. Even westworld, which I thought did a good job of having women in strong roles etc - I was talking to gf and other female mates about it, and they said 'yeah, but they also get raped a lot, and they have to look hot all the time'. It contributes to the idea that women should be judged on their appearance, no matter what else they are also judged on. It's not that she wasn't a decent female character, but that she was the ONLY female character, and no matter what else they did they spent screentime pointing out how hot she looked in her underwear. That's the problem for most women I know, who would mostly like to get on with their lives without having to worry about how attractive they look all the fucking time, and I don't feel like I have any right to tell them they're wrong, because that shit is very much their call. Does that make sense?
Fair point about the 80s though.
Hang on, are you referring to me when you say 'oversensitive weenies'?
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It's jarring how EVERY time I'm reading an opinion about how racism / xenophobia / sexism / homophobia / transphobia / etc... aren't as much of a problem as people say it is, it's pretty much guaranteed that it will be a straight white man saying it. I don't feel affected by any of those prejudices either, probably because I am not the target.
This should be enlightening.
Of course, this isn't the only thing a woman should be judged by...However, since the successful reproduction of a species is paramount, it will generally take priority and be acted upon accordingly...consciously or subconsciously.
For reproduction, yes. But we're talking about socially and professionally. I like it when hot women look hot in a sexual context, i.e. when I am romantically about to have rad sex them with them (which I do all the time btw). It's a bit weird when it's more of just a general requirement for participation in culture, industry and society. And yes, there is the argument that the space bikini thing was in a sexual context and is therefore cool (which I don't really buy), but its an omnipresent background hum to characterisation of film women in general for that era. Q "What's she like?" A "She's beautiful", etc.
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Biological directives are there at all times. Therefore a woman will be internally driven to be as attractive as possible in any public context. They may of course override this instinct due to a social constraint, yet it will always be there.It's a bit weird when it's more of just a general requirement for participation in culture, industry and society.
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Sexism exists of course. And there exist actual facts to prove it instead of the lazy circular arguments that you require. Every 2 seconds a minor girl is being married, more than 200 million girls and women alive today have been victims of genital mutilation and equal rights for women aren't normal in large parts of this world.
But yeah, Leia's bikini. Awful. We should start a Facebook group.
"Hey color-blind person, I'll bet you can read this rainbow text."
"No I can't."
"Oh, that must be your religion."
A colour blind person can understand what rainbow text is despite not being able to experience it. And you wouldn't exclude them from a discussion about it, would you?
A man can actually experience sexism.
The bikini thing? What was that the third one? Lasted a few minutes? That was about her humiliation. Or her attempted humiliation I should say. She wasn't. It failed. She killed him. Pretty easy to follow. It was a win for feminism. You may have over sensitive weenie female mates. Do they also decry the bare chested Conan movies?
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Im not sure you have much grounds to call anyone oversensitive, Mr paint fumes. How is your mum anyway?
If the vast majority of male characters in films were bare chested Conans there might have been an issue, yeah. But there is a good balance of male characters, and for every one that has their physical attractiveness emphasised there are a dozen who are valued for their strength, wisdom, pool ability, whatever, and their appearance isn't even mentioned. There was and still is a lack of that for girls.
My mom is hanging on. She has had strokes, heart disease, chrones disease, and other maladies but she is tough. I fear this may be the year as she has a lot of trouble getting around now. It worries me greatly.
You can take things too far is all I'm saying. Some people don't seem to realize that. Most movies are a fair reflection of society or a particular time and if we start measuring how much of this or that we include the story suffers. Attractiveness has been a thing in movies for both male and female since the start of them. I've seen abuses but if we start seeing one in every hedgerow then it diminishes the real ones.
What people don't seem to realise (or perhaps are unable to handle) is this: you can like something, even love it, and still be critical of some of its elements. That's not betrayal, it's not hypocritical. People think that if you criticise something beloved, you're shitting on it - but how much do you actually love something if you can't accept that someone might criticise aspects of it?