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Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #5126
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Qantas
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    This is why people think you're such an intolerable drip around here, Tony. Never once did SD say he commiserated with the shooter, or that we should see more politicians being shot, but he does see how some people would find it rather fittingly ironic that an alleged pro-gun advocate would end up being harmed due to the very laws he passed. There's more smug schadenfreude here than righteous vindictiveness.

    It's called reading comprehension. I suggest you engage it. Read what was said, and reread it to make sure you're understanding what's being said before jumping to wild conclusions.
    I was considering giving SD the benefit of the doubt, but then he went on to say "They're not really innocent, are they. Essence of distilled evil is nearer the mark."

    Yesterday I read about this:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...punishment-tr/

    And then there was the Kathy Griffin tweet, which seemed to have a lot of support on social media. I think the righteous vindictiveness is real, and it's not limited to just some nutters on the fringe right anymore.

  2. #5127
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I didn't see that part of SD's response.

    Though as far as what the media is doing, the more left leaning sites are starting to act like the right leaning sites like Breitbart, Infowars, and their ilk. Leaning more towards outrage and anger to rile up their fanbase, giving them even more reason to hate that things they already hate. Rather than elevating political discourse, it's all being lowered down into the muck and the mire. Though on the flipside of things, some of the right leaning pundits are now making calls to regulate their anger, especially after this most recent shooting. Ted Nugent, of all people, popped up recently, claiming it was time to tone down the rhetoric.

    So yeah, we're about to see a huge leftist populist swing on par with the alt-right. It won't be pretty.

  3. #5128
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Qantas
    Yup. If it's still like this a year from now when we're in election season, I'm going to want to move out of here again.

  4. #5129
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Vertigo, DragonSand, Xeen
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    I'm going to explain this to you like a child, Gold, so hopefully you'll understand.

    Do you get it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldmoon Dawn View Post
    FINE.


    After pondering for a little while, I think Im realising that many of the regular posters here arent as deeply entrenched in politics as I had previously imagined.

  5. #5130
    Southquarter.com/fms
    Registered: Apr 2000
    Location: The Akkala Highlands
    I don't know, you could make an argument that it's better if he just posts images and leaves the text to a minimum.

  6. #5131
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    In other news, even Lord Dampnut's lawyer is getting a lawyer now: http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ttorney-report

  7. #5132
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Pacific Northwest
    There is a big difference between supporting policies that (I believe) do more harm than good and acting in bad faith. I've never met a politician who didn't think their views and policies were good for the country. I'm sure there's been a few, but I think they are rare. We can disagree about what makes good or bad policy even if we're both acting in good faith.
    Sadly, I don't think political discourse has hit Peak Hyperbole yet.

    I agree that elected officials can do harmful things in the belief they're doing good. That doesn't mean we're obligated to absorb the consequences passively. If anything, in a democracy, we're supposed to speak up about it.

  8. #5133
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    I really doubt there are many politicians in the US who think they are honestly doing good by rushing through the new health care bill. Otherwise, they wouldn't want to do it in secret and with as little input from the opposite side and the public as possible.

  9. #5134
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    I really doubt there are many politicians in the US who think they are honestly doing good ...
    All the Republicans really think they are doing good.
    The question you should ask is: for *whom* are they doing good.

    Republicans (and maybe Democrats too) work for the people who pay their campaigns. Or they work for the people who will give them well-paid jobs after they leave politics. They do not work for the people who voted for them. So according to this background information, it will be easy for you to understand: the Republicans do good for insurance companies, big pharma, etc.

  10. #5135
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: The Land of Make Believe
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    I was considering giving SD the benefit of the doubt, but then he went on to say "They're not really innocent, are they. Essence of distilled evil is nearer the mark."
    So what. I still don't advocate people being killed even if they are evil. It's my side that's against the death penalty, if you're paying attention.

  11. #5136
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    I just want to say, regardless of anything political or how I feel about it, it's good to see SD back. I do happen to agree in this case with him but won't I'm sure in future ones. That does not matter. That is a load of crap compared to his being here. Good to see you. I missed you in my own wicked way.

  12. #5137
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    I didn't see that part of SD's response.

    Though as far as what the media is doing, the more left leaning sites are starting to act like the right leaning sites like Breitbart, Infowars, and their ilk. Leaning more towards outrage and anger to rile up their fanbase, giving them even more reason to hate that things they already hate. Rather than elevating political discourse, it's all being lowered down into the muck and the mire. Though on the flipside of things, some of the right leaning pundits are now making calls to regulate their anger, especially after this most recent shooting. Ted Nugent, of all people, popped up recently, claiming it was time to tone down the rhetoric.

    So yeah, we're about to see a huge leftist populist swing on par with the alt-right. It won't be pretty.
    the righties are armed with firearms while most lefties can only carry/use dildos

  13. #5138
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    Dildos scare righties more. They are afraid somebody will have some fun.

  14. #5139
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    nah, righties pretend to be scared, IIRC righty states watch the most porn.

  15. #5140
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2003
    Location: Location, Location
    "I want to outlaw homosexuality, so I can feel dirty when I do it."

  16. #5141
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by jkcerda View Post
    nah, righties pretend to be scared, IIRC righty states watch the most porn.
    Not quite. All states watch a lot of porn, but the righty states get into the weird stuff more often.

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  18. #5143
    Been gone for awhile due to life busyness, but will go out on a limb and predict something.

    I believe that the TTLG consensus is going to back down from "Trump colluded wth Putin to steal the election".

    Simple reason: I am in the airport and it looks like CNN is backing down. Since most of the members here are a bit older and get most of their news/opinions from corporate media pundits their opinions will follow suit.

  19. #5144
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    All the Republicans really think they are doing good.
    The question you should ask is: for *whom* are they doing good.

    Republicans (and maybe Democrats too) work for the people who pay their campaigns. Or they work for the people who will give them well-paid jobs after they leave politics. They do not work for the people who voted for them. So according to this background information, it will be easy for you to understand: the Republicans do good for insurance companies, big pharma, etc.
    Ironic you make that claim when Obama literally invited insurance lobbyists in to help write ACA and even gave them some veto power...and then played both sides of the fence afterwards: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015...e-profiting-it

  20. #5145
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    This is why people think you're such an intolerable drip around here, Tony. Never once did SD say he commiserated with the shooter, or that we should see more politicians being shot, but he does see how some people would find it rather fittingly ironic that an alleged pro-gun advocate would end up being harmed due to the very laws he passed. There's more smug schadenfreude here than righteous vindictiveness.

    It's called reading comprehension. I suggest you engage it. Read what was said, and reread it to make sure you're understanding what's being said before jumping to wild conclusions.
    Would you extend me the same moral benefit of the doubt if I said it was humorously ironic and that I could sympathize with the guy who mowed down Muslim worshippers in London?

    I highly doubt it. You wouldn't be wasting time on "reading comprehension" or seek to finer nuance of what I had said. You would rush to immediate, harsh, judgement.


    Never I did that the whole "gun control" argument is a complete farce so long as we have both the US intelligence agencies giving away guns like free lollipops at a bank counter and a southern US border that is wide open so those weapons come right back into the country.

  21. #5146
    And hate to post yet again...but WSJ just broke another story that had anyone who cared to pay attention already knew.

    In other words yet another of my "tinfoil hat conspiracy theories" turns out to be true: Israel Gives Secret Aid to Syrian Rebels https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-...els-1497813430

  22. #5147
    Hits keep coming tonight.

    Remember how it was idiotic and alt-right conspiracy theory to think that these people.had anything to do with Russia?

    The truth is even weirder


    Wikileaks has a new cable about that:

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE85588_a.html

  23. #5148
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    You know what your problem is, Tony? You're always running around here, calling people brainwashed and stupid in so many words, then you get so UTTERLY OFFENDED when people don't give you the respect you see them giving everyone else.

    You're reaping what you sow.

    Oh, and you have this weirdo tendency to project responses on people here, then respond to them in kind. The end result makes you look like you're tilting at windmills.

    Like finding out that Israel has been supplying weapons and aid to Syrian rebels? That wouldn't be surprising in the least, considering that...

    A. Israel tends to follow the US example in most of its foreign affairs on anything beyond Palestine.

    B. Assad's government is allied with Russia, who in turn is allied with Iran, one of Israel's bigger enemies in the region.

    Anyone who's been following current world affairs wouldn't be too shocked by this revelation. But you just can't help yourself. You have to come in, screaming LOOK GUYS! YOU CALLED ME STUPID, BUT WHO'S LAUGHING NOW? HUH? HUH? HUH?, tilting against a windmill that isn't even there.

  24. #5149
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Iacon
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    To me, "terrible, harmful ideology" equates to malice, which does exist in Western countries, but I really believe that it's only in some of the fringes. The vast, vast majority of people don't have malicious intent and are capable of making reasonable judgments. The main thing that divides us is a difference in perspective, and if we don't try to understand or appreciate each other's perspective, it's hard to maintain a well functioning democracy.
    Maybe not active malice, but I think a lack of compassion can be a repeated theme for the Right. The poor can just work harder. Trans people are just kidding themselves. Black people should quit complaining because racism is over, etc.

    Also of course ignorance, or just bad ideology can be to blame. I'm not always assuming villainy here.

    I get the need to work together and compromise sometimes, really. But, I dunno, how am I meant to respect someone who thinks muslims should all be expelled from the country, or that global warming is a big hoax? Lots of patience and willingness to explain stuff is required, I guess.
    Last edited by Chimpy Chompy; 20th Jun 2017 at 07:19.

  25. #5150
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    I don't think it's just perspective alone. I think it's a religious-like dogma people are loyal to that's naturally constructed out of, and preying on, some common cognitive biases. Like any dogma, it's not that people aren't smart enough to see it's inconsistencies, it's that they're willfully loyal to it and inconsistencies or criticism are perceived as an attack on them as persons and not arguments. So then you get this curious phenomenon that's so popular lately of people doubling-down on their stances, actually becoming more loyal to them the more they are criticized. That's definitely a part of the Trump effect. It's like the Right's equivalent of virtue signalling. They actually feel validated when they get a chance to defend their wankery from attack.

    But whatever. This is Political Action Theory 101 stuff you'd learn in an intro political theory class. The winning move is not to play and simply float above the whole mess and take a detached, unbiased account of it like an alien anthropologist.

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