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  1. #5501
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Yeah at least Spicer always had the look of someone about to yell, "It's all lies. I am so sorry"!

  2. #5502
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Trump is ultimately too ineffectual to be the enemy of anything except sane political discourse. He's done an excellent job of flashing about his WWE/Reality TV credentials in front of the largest live studio audience the world has ever seen.

    And I dunno what to say about Spicer, other than it was pretty damn obvious he didn't enjoy his job.

  3. #5503
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    If I'm feeling generous, I want to believe Spicer endured the unendurable and defended the indefensible because he loved his country and honestly thought he was helping it. But he also told some pretty bald face lies purely to stoke the ego of a creep, not even the kind of lies meant to protect the US or its interests. And then he was a gramble dick about it. Of course you can say he was ordered to be a jerk, but he should have known what he was getting into and volunteered for that job.

    I guess the one credit I can give him is that he eventually did come around & his self-respect wouldn't allow him to stay in the job anymore. He's going to come out of this thing alright, even remembered fondly like the slow cousin in a family, so he should thank his lucky stars. That's probably reward enough.

    BTW, it really does feel like we're starting to accelerate towards something big going down soon. But it's really hard to tell. With the GOP controlling every branch, they could let practically anything pass as long as they need to. It's hard to have any idea what can go down when or what's happening at all.

  4. #5504
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    BTW, it really does feel like we're starting to accelerate towards something big going down soon. But it's really hard to tell. With the GOP controlling every branch, they could let practically anything pass as long as they need to. It's hard to have any idea what can go down when or what's happening at all.
    The one thing we can depend on regarding the GOP is that they'll defend Trump to the best of their abilities...until he's no longer useful to them. The moment he becomes a liability to the party will mark the last of his days as an effective president. If he doesn't get impeached (which I still give a 10% chance of happening, barring any future surprises), they and the Democrats will do everything in their power to make him a lame duck, all but killing his chances for a 2nd term.

    At this point, I don't know if it's so much a matter of if this'll happen, but when. How much can the Republicans endure?

  5. #5505
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Well, at least Spicer can always get a job as a Melissa McCarthy impersonator.

  6. #5506
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    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus

  7. #5507
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    The one thing we can depend on regarding the GOP is that they'll defend Trump to the best of their abilities...until he's no longer useful to them. The moment he becomes a liability to the party will mark the last of his days as an effective president. If he doesn't get impeached (which I still give a 10% chance of happening, barring any future surprises), they and the Democrats will do everything in their power to make him a lame duck, all but killing his chances for a 2nd term.

    At this point, I don't know if it's so much a matter of if this'll happen, but when. How much can the Republicans endure?
    Have you SEEN the shit McCain says about him? I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that they "defend" him.....hell the party tried very at first to push Bush, then FOX News was lining up behind Cruz/Kasich, then even up to and after the Inauguration a lot of Republican leadership openly stated that they preferred Hillary Clinton to Trump. They aren't "defending Trump", they're just well aware that the base hates establishment Republicans almost as much as the Democrats.

    edit: and just a few moments ago, Boehner was talking about how he used to sneak into the White House to meet with Obama so that voters wouldn't know what he was doing. The difference between Corporatist Republicans and Corporatist Democrats is much narrower than people here generally believe.

    Speaking of which, this whole healthare push is insanity.....it's almost as if the Republicans WANT to lose their seats in exchange for lobbyist favors. The smartest thing they could do politically is nothing more than to enforce the exact letter of the law for Obamacare exactly as written, with none of the extra-legal enforcement delays and subsidies that Obama used to prop up the bill. Do that, give it two years and you'll have people practically rioting for a repeal.



    But the actual reason I came here was to post a live footage of Trump's team:


  8. #5508
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    Have you SEEN the shit McCain says about him? I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that they "defend" him.....hell the party tried very at first to push Bush, then FOX News was lining up behind Cruz/Kasich, then even up to and after the Inauguration a lot of Republican leadership openly stated that they preferred Hillary Clinton to Trump. They aren't "defending Trump", they're just well aware that the base hates establishment Republicans almost as much as the Democrats.
    They obviously don't like him, but at the same time, they look the other way on a lot of things they would've busted a vein and screamed to high hell over were Obama to do the same, simply because he's signing their bills.

    There isn't some great big conspiracy behind it all. It's all just political theater. One great big show being played out in front of the voting public. It wouldn't be so terrible, were they to do something else besides.

  9. #5509
    Who the hell mentioned a conspiracy? I just described motivations that aren't a "conspiracy". And besides a lot of that shit people call "conspiracy" is entirely legal anyway as the Supreme Court affirmed in Citizens United.

    There's also some talk of putting in Cruz for AG.

    This prospect TERRIFIES me because Cruz is the person who co-sponsored this bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...-bill/720/text



    Basically this bill that has Bipartisan support Criminalizes support of an anti-Israeli boycott. The law stats that businesses and HNW individuals who refuse to buy Israeli goods or services because of the boycott would be guilty of a felony and subject to fees of up to $ 1million and/or 20 years in prison (via the ACLU).

    Also note that both Chuck Schumer and Rubio are Co-sponsors.

    Curious to hear TTLG's thoughts on this......while everyone's screaming about "Russia" Israel has Congress so tightly wrapped around their fingers that they're literally CRIMINALIZING OPPOSITION TO ISRAEL.

    Yes, Israel is directly involved in this as the bill is sponsored by AIPAC which lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government and has been caught conducting espionage against the US government on behalf of Israel.

  10. #5510
    Greenwald's take:

    THIS PERNICIOUS BILL highlights many vital yet typically ignored dynamics in Washington. First, journalists love to lament the lack of bipartisanship in Washington, yet the very mention of the word “Israel” causes most members of both parties to quickly snap into line in a show of unanimity that would make the regime of North Korea blush with envy. Even when virtually the entire world condemns Israeli aggression, or declares settlements illegal, the U.S. Congress — across party and ideological lines — finds virtually complete harmony in uniting against the world consensus and in defense of the Israeli government.

    Second, the free speech debate in the U.S. is incredibly selective and warped. Pundits and political officials love to crusade as free speech champions — when doing so involves defending mainstream ideas or attacking marginalized, powerless groups such as minority college students. But when it comes to one of the most systemic, powerful, and dangerous assaults on free speech in the U.S. and the West generally — the growing attempt to literally criminalize speech and activism aimed at the Israeli government’s occupation — these free speech warriors typically fall silent.

    Third, AIPAC continues to be one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country. In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government? And this is hardly the first time they have attempted to do this through their most devoted congressional loyalists; Cardin, for instance, had previously succeeded in inserting into trade bills provisions that would disfavor anyone who supports a boycott of Israel.

    Finally, it is hard to put into words the irony of watching many of the most celebrated and beloved congressional leaders of the anti-authoritarian Resistance — Gillibrand, Schiff, Swalwell, and Lieu — sponsor one of the most oppressive and authoritarian bills to appear in Congress in many years. How can one credibly inveigh against “authoritarianism” while sponsoring a bill that dictates to American citizens what political views they are and are not allowed to espouse under threat of criminal prosecution? Whatever labels one might want to apply to the sponsors of this bill, “anti-authoritarianism” should not be among them.

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