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View Poll Results: How long will Trump be President?

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  • 1 Term (4 Years)

    17 20.00%
  • 2 Terms (8 Years)

    21 24.71%
  • 1st Term Impeachment/Assassination

    39 45.88%
  • 2nd Term Impeachment/Assassination

    0 0%
  • I don't know what's going on!

    8 9.41%

Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #5576
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    You know, we have plenty of political satire on TV, only it's just the news channels syndicating it. If the world survives this stupidity, the era we're living in is going to be the inflection point where life started imitating art.

  2. #5577
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    That shows he was an opportunist of the lowest moral fiber, but a mere meeting falls short of the legal definition of collusion. It shows that the Russians were interfering in our election, but for the collusion charge to stick, Trump Jr. would've had to actively assisted the Russian government in digging up dirt on the DNC.
    I wasn't talking about collusion in the legal sense, just the plain old "conspiring with a foreign government" kind of sense. Even if that's legal in the US, you have to admit, it's pretty fucked up.

  3. #5578
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Chicago, IL
    As long as Kim sticks to nuking California all is forgiven.

  4. #5579
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Even if that's legal in the US, you have to admit, it's pretty fucked up.
    I did not steal this baby's candy, Sir! I negotiated a unilateral exchange without mutual benefit!

  5. #5580
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    I wasn't talking about collusion in the legal sense, just the plain old "conspiring with a foreign government" kind of sense. Even if that's legal in the US, you have to admit, it's pretty fucked up.
    Oh, yeah. It's fucked up beyond reason.

    Though it does a good job of showing how truth and justice is divided starkly along political lines. The same people who wanted to hang Hillary by the neck until dead over the alleged pay to play scandal see absolutely nothing wrong with this, which, on a moral level, is at least as bad.

  6. #5581
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Pacific Northwest
    James Mattis, John Kelly, and their ilk would have to break the law
    If they had the vice president on board they wouldn't necessarily have to go that far. I think the Constitution allows a commander-in-chief to be declared unfit for duty by the VP and a majority of the department heads, rendering orders from the CnC null and void.

  7. #5582
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Chicago, IL
    No. US Constitution, article II, section IV:

    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
    So he can be removed by impeachment ONLY.



    From article I, section II:

    The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
    He will be impeached ONLY if the House votes to do so.

  8. #5583
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Pacific Northwest
    But can't the president's duties can be assumed by the VP on a temporary basis? I am not talking about impeachment, but what is provided for in Amendment 25, Section IV.

    Sorry, should have provided the actual text.
    Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

  9. #5584
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Pacific Northwest
    I should add that I am thinking specifically in the context from the original quoted post. I think if Section IV was enacted, launch codes would pass to the vice president. I think you're correct that impeachment requires more than a few unelected cabinet floozies to do.

  10. #5585
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Chicago, IL
    Maybe so, but I believe the intent of that was to specify what happens if the Prez gets injured and is in a coma or something. Not just "we think this guy is a little wacky and we disagree with his war strategy against North Korea so let's just agree to kick him out."

  11. #5586
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Pacific Northwest
    That does appear to be the original intent of the amendment. That said, there is a provision there for the president to contend the vice president and cabinet's decision and resume presidential duties. Congress comes in if the VP and cabinet still disagree with the president, so I wouldn't say it's strictly limited to instances where the CnC is in a coma or has suffered another head injury.

    Either way, it would be ugly.

  12. #5587
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Qantas
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Oh, yeah. It's fucked up beyond reason.

    Though it does a good job of showing how truth and justice is divided starkly along political lines. The same people who wanted to hang Hillary by the neck until dead over the alleged pay to play scandal see absolutely nothing wrong with this, which, on a moral level, is at least as bad.
    Even my friends who voted for Trump see something wrong in it, they're just inclined to write it off as opportunism and naiveté.
    I think that would change if they find evidence of a quid pro quo.

  13. #5588
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    It seems like Trump is dressing more sophisticated these days.
    But he still doesn't get any more mellow.


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  15. #5590
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2005
    Location: Not Kansas
    @Kolya: Best. Post. Ever.

  16. #5591
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2002
    Location: Cologne
    The Department of Justice is demanding the names of the owners and the IP addresses of 1.3 million users who visited an anti-Trump protest site that organized protests during Trump's inauguration.
    So far the hosting company is withholding the information by their own account on grounds of the query being untargeted and no clear reason being given what those users actually did wrong.

    Feds Demand '1.3 Million IP Addresses' Of Visitors To Trump Protest Website: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasb.../#622b7e894d5c
    DreamHost is fighting DoJ request for 1.3M IP addresses of visitors to anti-Trump protest site: https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/15/dr...-protest-site/
    In J20 Investigation, DOJ Overreaches Again. And Gets Taken to Court Again.: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/0...en-court-again

  17. #5592
    Moderator
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    I saw a report on that. Bit scary if you live in the US, I'd have thought.

    For information and posterity: Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump

    It's very long but interesting - to me anyway.

  18. #5593
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    The UK is no less scary re: internet monitoring.

    Probably more so actually, as we've an idiot in charge of those things (Amber Rudd).

  19. #5594
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2002
    Location: Cologne
    How Donald Trump killed the conservative promise of Pax Americana: http://www.salon.com/2017/08/20/pardon-me_partner/
    An article about the world that the sole surviving super power planned to create and what happened instead.

  20. #5595
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    I just got Poe'd again. I thought for sure that the images of Trump looking directly at the eclipse were satirical. Nope. Sheesh.

  21. #5596
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Probably someone told him he shouldn't do it.

  22. #5597
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Lord Dampnut's star got a makeover:


  23. #5598
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2003
    Location: Location, Location
    You know one thing that continues to surprise me about the way Trump behaves? This is something I've not seen in any other president I've either studied or been alive to see, and I think it is simultaneously one of his greatest weaknesses and one of his most attractive features to his base.

    If you do or say anything in opposition to one of Trump's initiatives, like vote against his bills, criticize one of his policy stances, or even simply fail to live up to Trump's expectations in fulfilling his objectives, you become his enemy. And it seems the smaller the transgression, the more intense his response. He will put you on blast on Twitter, talk shit about you to huge cheering crowds, or just plain attempt to oust you. Any petty revenge he can visit upon you without incurring serious repercussions for himself, he will go for it. "You made me lose face, so you must be destroyed."

    It's a behavior pattern that probably has to do with his obsession with loyalty. Anyone on his side of the aisle is expected to play a part in realizing Trump's vision, and if there's any dissent from them, he must perceive it as betrayal, and he doesn't handle betrayal with any measure of grace. (Okay, he doesn't handle anything with grace, but in this case it's especially shocking.)

    Never have I seen anything like this in a US president before. Presidents have in the past treated their colleagues on Capitol Hill with a degree of professional respect, even those who were in staunch, unreasoning opposition to the presidents in question. They acted like adults. Now it feels like half the Trump-related matters of interest in the past six months have been individuals in government being vilified and denounced by Trump in very public venues for the heinous crime of not showing him the blind loyalty he thinks he deserves as POTUS. It's a scary mentality, and should be throwing up red flags for every sane voter in America.

    But his base eats this shit up. It's one of the many ways in which he relates to them, since they react much the same way to news of Trump being thwarted by a Republican. Off with their head! Admittedly the far-right doesn't have a monopoly on this kind of thinking; it's permeated several different voting groups in recent years as nobody can tolerate dissent anymore. But that should not be a mentality we see in powerful government positions, least of all the office of the president. Trump's supporters should not be proud that they view our government in such childish reality-show terms, but they are, and they want a president which mirrors their mentality, even their glaring flaws.

    This habit of his will continue to frustrate his heavy-handed and impulsive governing efforts, and make him a whole lot of enemies in influential positions who would otherwise be on his side. Eventually he's going to stack the deck so far against him, and drive enough moderates away, that all he'll have left is his loyal base, and they'll come to realize just how outnumbered they really are by the rest of the country.

  24. #5599
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Yeah, it encourages the base to go over the heads of their own representatives. The main thrust of the whole Tea Party thing from the start was purging the party of RINOs, Republicans in Name Only, and Trump is now like their hammer. Except it's not purifying the party into conservative principles, it's purifying it into rage- mongering ethno-nationalist Trumpists.

    Edit. His loyal base might organize and vote dissedents out. I wouldn't be so quick to assume they'll be put on the ropes when they alienate more competing leaders.

  25. #5600
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Trump is circling the drain ever faster. Suddenly North Korea is a footnote, and Kim's posturing are just him absorbing a lesson in humility. The threats from China, not to use preemptive attacks on NK, are forgotten or discounted, by R=Trump but certainly not by China. His own well recorded words are expunged or altered and the very manipulations of truth he accuses the press of, are gushing from his mouth. And as each old craziness is cast adrift, two more rush in to take their place.

    Can a train-wreck circle the drain? Is that fusion of metaphors reasonable now?

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