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  • 1 Term (4 Years)

    12 19.05%
  • 2 Terms (8 Years)

    13 20.63%
  • 1st Term Impeachment/Assassination

    31 49.21%
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    0 0%
  • I don't know what's going on!

    7 11.11%
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Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #51
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Foreskin: it tastes like chicken. Allegedly.

  2. #52
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    Registered: Feb 2000
    Location: Portreath Cornwall UK
    Only Comchat can turn political threads into ingredients for reproductive organ recipes! How can this place be allowed to die? Keep posting crazies.
    P¬{

  3. #53
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Medlar View Post
    Only Comchat can turn political threads into ingredients for reproductive organ recipes!
    Hmm? All I see is a big thread about different types of dicks.

  4. #54
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    I was thinking of trying out Piglick's semi-Mexican-type chicken recipe tonight but on second thoughts . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Medlar View Post
    So the US could for the next four years have a Republican President with a non cooperative Republican majority government? How strange. Is that a workable arrangement?
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Not at all. This is why, for all the people crying that the Dems are split because Bernie people distrust Hillary and the Dem establishment behind her, the real story this election is that the Republicans are fundamentally broken as a functionable political party, like broken to its core. I'm suspecting this may be a case where they have to lose 5 elections in a row before they can pull themselves together. And yeah, this election is very strange, bordering on surreal.
    So, what? Envisioning the horrific, Trump becomes the Republican nominee and people suddenly find real Christian principles somewhere and don't vote for him? You think it won't happen? It might happen but then what would happen. Answers on a postcard please, dema. (That might only have UK relevance)

    Regardless of being a European, what happens in the US affects me so I am genuinely interested.

  5. #55
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    I love drunk PigLick so much.

  6. #56
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    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Qantas
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Kasich is easily the best GOP candidate, and he knows it, which is a problem because the most important thing he needs to do right now is drop out and throw his support to Rubio to stop the Trump juggernaut.
    I don't follow this logic. There's no guarantee that Kasich voters would turn out for Rubio. Some of them might vote for Trump instead, and others might just stay home. Take New Hampshire for example. Rubio + Kasich + Bush = 37.4%. Trump = 35.3%. If Bush and Kasich had dropped out before New Hampshire, Rubio would have polled better but wouldn't have gotten 37.4% of the vote, and Trump might have gotten 50% or better. As the field winnows down, Trump's advantage just gets bigger. The best way to prevent Trump from winning the nomination is for the other candidates to stay in the race as long as possible and then pool their delegates at the convention to pick a winner. I know that's not realistic though.

    Besides all that, Rubio is an unqualified lightweight who doesn't belong in the race. He's only in this because he's Cuban American and the Republican party "establishment" believes that putting up a Cuban American candidate will somehow win them Latino votes. It won't. It's lipstick on a pig.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medlar View Post
    Super Tuesday seems to point to a Trump v Clinton finale and a question I would like to ask; Should Trump win the Presidency and the Senate remain Republican, would clearing the national debt and setting the annual budget become easier for the US government?
    I agree with demagogue re: Republicans raising the debt.

    The most fiscally conservative governments we've had were divided, e.g. during the Bush Sr. administration with a Democratic Congress and during the following Clinton administration with a Republican Congress.

    If you give Republicans control of Congress and the Presidency, you will get more military pork projects, more funding for the security state and militarization of law enforcement, and tax reductions that result in larger deficits. You will also see the dismantling of financial and environmental regulations, removal of health care mandates and minimum standards, and legislation peppered with social conservative provisions like abortion restrictions.

    If you give Democrats control of both, you will see boondoggle infrastructure projects that go on forever and line the pockets of unions and big construction companies, wasteful spending on pet projects in the name of stimulus, various giveaways to buy votes, attempts to legislate political correctness, and so on.

    So I am currently FOR divided government. I guess you can blame people like me for gridlock.

  7. #57
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    I'm only reciting things I've read. One story was on the effort of the Rep establishment to de-fragment Trump's opposition and let them go where they will, and Kasich is top of that list. But I think they understood it's more important to do it early, because over time Trump builds a lead and only siphons off more. It may well be beyond the point of no return now. But anyway, they're not talking about final support. They're talking about support close enough it triggers some run-off loophole in the convention.

    The story about Trump and Congress was more about the dilemma it puts the Rep leadership in, Paul Ryan et al. Aside from probably not trusting Trump, the more structural problem is that Trump isn't a conservative in the actual policy sense, and the Ryan led Congress wouldn't know how to work with him to advance a conservative agenda even if they wanted to. That was the punchline of the story.

    The other funny detail is how much money the Koch brothers are spending trying to stop Trump, and how useless it is, the same brothers people complained were styming real democracy with money. Well real democracy is winning now... is this so much better? And all this hubub about the 1% running the show doesn't work here. The 1% can't get a word in, and no amount of tens of millions is making the smallest dent.

  8. #58
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    I think of it more as the Koch-and-friends distorting things until stuff like this happens. It may not be what they intended, but they're still in part culpable. Sort of like our various ill-fated Middle-East campaigns.

  9. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by fett View Post

    Trump has done the poking that I never wanted to do and guess what? I was right. I'm not judging American Christianity as a whole, but I spent nearly 25 years among pretty much every denomination, flavor, and spin-off on both ends of the spectrum, and I could never shake that suspicion. And now, I'm beyond relieved to look back and know that I saved my kids from being raised in that mess, because they would otherwise, right now, probably be surrounded by "friends" and respected adults who are going to vote for Trump.

    Religion? Check the "none of the above" box, please. And put a smiley face next to it.
    Maybe. I used to hate American evangelicals the same way you did. In hindsight I was very, very, wrong to blame religion.

    There's a huge number of common threads between them and the current moral hysteria. Outrage over "wrong" sexual attitudes? check. A pompous pretension of knowing what's best for poor people? absolutely. A histrionic need to attack and shame anyone who expresses "incorrect" views? It's there.



    My current belief is that it's something deeply embedded into American culture. Namely, American culture is one where moral superiority is a key determinant of social value....which lends itself to viciously hypocritical moral crusades, public displays of virtue (facebook rainbow flags are the new "praying in public"), and hysterical crimes against invisible victims (satanic child abuse vs. campus "rape culture) that we MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT!!


    Americans are very much a winner take all culture. You're either the best at something or worthless as accurately parodied by Talladega Nights. Perceived morality is no exception.

  10. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by bjack View Post
    Tony, funny how I feel it is just to opposite. I think Trump would start a war. I can't tell if he is just a blow hard or a real deal. He is speaking with forked tongue though.
    Don't take it from me, take it directly from Trump's mouth:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...iii-over-syria

    He also said more or less the same thing at the 2nd to last debate he was in. All the other candidates were loudly proclaiming their plans to escalate the war and retaliate against Russia, whereas Trump jumped in and said (paraphrasing) that it was stupid to try to fight Russia when we could be working with them.

  11. #61
    Er, yeah, he's also said this:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...-for-refugees/

    The guy pretty much makes no fucking sense, and when he does he's usually contradicting something he said previously. Which is why I'm seriously considering registering Republican so I can vote for him in the PA primary. There's a serious chance of this being the most lopsided general election since at least 1984 if Trump gets nominated.

  12. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    The other funny detail is how much money the Koch brothers are spending trying to stop Trump, and how useless it is, the same brothers people complained were styming real democracy with money. Well real democracy is winning now... is this so much better? And all this hubub about the 1% running the show doesn't work here. The 1% can't get a word in, and no amount of tens of millions is making the smallest dent.
    Oh they won't lose out. Trump has claimed he will cut their tax rate 15% but I've seen it listed as 25% which would be nearly half of the 54% top rate it is now. And he has the gall to claim cutting his own taxes will hurt him. He can say anything and the rubes will swallow it like baby birds. I would think he was the anti-Christ if I didn't think the Devil would have more class. Wouldn't that be a hoot though? Evangelicals turning out in droves to vote in the anti-Christ? Satan would have such a laugh if he existed.

  13. #63
    How quaint. I live in the UK and let me tell you. Religion is deader than the thing that died a death. We're probably the first near fully Atheist country. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

  14. #64
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    Most of Scandinavia wants a word.

  15. #65
    Yeah, well they've got Thor and Odin haven't they?

  16. #66
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    Uk are pretty high up the list though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Import...ion_by_country

    (The US actually doesn't do too badly either versus what I expected)

  17. #67
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    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrian View Post
    Hmm? All I see is a big thread about different types of dicks.
    Did someone mention dicks? Because rumor has it mine is huge.

  18. #68
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    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Everywhere
    ALSO IS THERE ANY PIE LEFT I LIKE PIE

  19. #69
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    That's right mudafukas, yours truly has just been endorsed by the New York Times for president.
    Hold on to your genitalia and get ready for a wild ride!


  20. #70
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2000
    Location: Portreath Cornwall UK
    That article does tell it like it is...

  21. #71
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    Registered: Jun 2010
    Location: A Former Orange Grove
    This thread is about a dick. A vagina is also mentioned. One that may be going to prison soon too (and I am not speaking of Bernie).

    The best attack on Trump is to let him talk. Just let him speak and all will come forward. He was interesting to me for a while there at the beginning, until I heard him one on one on some TV talking head show. He sounded like a ranting drunk. Sort of like me sometimes. Fun for entertainment. Not something one wants in a President.

  22. #72
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    Yeah, people were doing that and thinking that not enough people would take him seriously. Now it's doing people a worry.

  23. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    Oh they won't lose out. Trump has claimed he will cut their tax rate 15% but I've seen it listed as 25% which would be nearly half of the 54% top rate it is now. And he has the gall to claim cutting his own taxes will hurt him. He can say anything and the rubes will swallow it like baby birds. I would think he was the anti-Christ if I didn't think the Devil would have more class. Wouldn't that be a hoot though? Evangelicals turning out in droves to vote in the anti-Christ? Satan would have such a laugh if he existed.
    Tocky, you DO realize that almost none of the "ultra rich" actually pay that tax rate right?

    Finance 101. The marginal tax rate is NOT what you're actually paying on taxes.

    Please do this exercise for me. . Pick out a random spread of Fortune 100 companies. Pick one, go onto yahoo finance, and look up their stock ticker. Now go down to the section marked "income statement". I want you to look at the lines marked "income before taxes" and "income tax expense". Now divide that tax expense by the pre-tax income. Do this for each company.

    I guarantee you that in the overwhelming majority of cases they aren't paying anywhere near the "corporate tax rate" that you think they are.

    Hell even Romney was on camera bragging about how he's got a lower effective tax rate than his secretary does. The part of Trump's tax plan that they don't mention is that he also wants to eliminate almost every loophole for high net worth individuals.....this would result in a substantial INCREASE in the amount of taxes that the wealthy pay under Trump. It would lower their nominal tax rate, but a 15% effective tax rate is a huge jump over the 5%-10% rate many high net worth individuals currently pay.

  24. #74
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    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    I believe you are talking about Warren Buffet. It was he who said that about his secretary. And sure, I know they find every loophole. They buy congressmen to insure they have those loopholes. They move money out of the country and every other scumbag trick they can. Hell, some of the founding members of facebook renounced US citizenship to escape taxes when it went public.

    Do I think Trump would close those loopholes? Fucking hell no. Trump worships money and power. He rolls in it like a pig in mud. He has the biggest ego of anyone in the US and that's saying a lot. The ONLY candidate who would close loopholes is Bernie Sanders. Clinton might not make any more but she has her own money chains on her. Republicans, though, are all about helping the rich in every single decision they make. They stacked the supreme court so they could get Citizens United passed for fucks sake. Read Demagogues article. THAT is Trump. Do you trust him not to favor him and his ilk?

  25. #75
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: CT, USA
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Oh great, another President getting Blow-n, even before being sworn in.

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