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    Alien: Covenant

    Prometheus was a big ball of shite.

    Is Alien: Covenant not going to be a big ball of shite?

    I'm not so sure.



    It better not be.

    They cancelled 'Aliens 5' to allow this film to be made, after all.

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    Why is Steve Jobs on that spaceship?

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    Cause he's an alien?

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    Makes sense.

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    Reposting my first reaction
    Dead crew walking.
    Couldn't have a better story set up for them, so they better do it right or it'd be like ruining cereal.
    Trailer gave the right signals so far at least.

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    So are these the colonists Ripley finds in _Aliens_?

    If so, what's the point? What's to reveal? What's to learn?

    We know that Big Corporation Incorporated will trade human lives for weaponised alien bio-tech. We know just about everything there is to know about the alien life cycle. Prometheus ruined any chance of having a cogent back story.

    What's left besides making us like a bunch of people so they can all die horribly?

    I am predicting... Fuck You, Alien franchise.

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    Man, I totally missed the official trailer being released last December:



    They upped the release date, originally it was supposed to be August.

    It'll be interesting explaining how David is on this ship that's apparently coming from earth, when he and Shaw were headed to the Engineer's home planet (last we saw). And what is Shaw up to now?

    OK, so apparently that's Fassbender playing a different android (Walter). But he's still listed in the credits as both Walter and David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    So are these the colonists Ripley finds in _Aliens_?
    That doesn't really make any sense. The colonists from Aliens are fine and have been living there for 20 years before any kind of alien shows up. Plus the planet is initially inhabitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    So are these the colonists Ripley finds in _Aliens_?
    As I understand it, this movie's gonna be a prequel to Alien. Basically some time after the events in Prometheus, but before Alien. The events in Covenant would be likely a part of what causes Weyland-Yutani to act as it did in Alien and then during the years before Ripley wakes up in Aliens.

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    They're connecting the mythos you see, or whatever cocaine drivel studio execs come out with. This looks ok. I do not like the lighting, or much of the writing (but hopefully it will be frightening, me). Galileo!

    I'm not expecting much of this basically. We're not going to see gigers stuff realised in full glorious CGI-enhanced Ridley-with-all-the-money-o-vision, because he's decided this sort of shitty mesoamerican look is better, and Ridley is basically a creationist, except he actually seems to think that Dr Manhattan did us out of tadpoles, because fuck the entire fossil record, genetic evidence, etc. I think Ridley is currently the best living argument against the auteur idea. He's incredible at communicating ideas, especially if those ideas involved gloomily lit spaces, but he should definitely not be the one coming up with those ideas, otherwise you get the prometheus gorilla-zombie instead of the alien. His best work was done with other equally talented chaps, and now it's just him and a bunch of underlings it doesn't really work.
    Last edited by Vivian; 24th Feb 2017 at 06:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivian View Post
    His best work was done with other equally talented chaps, and now it's just him and a bunch of underlings it doesn't really work.
    Well... that's a deja vu and a half right there.

    And seriously, unless it's someone who edits their own movies like Kurosawa or Robert Rodriguez or the Coen brothers, auteur theory is mostly heaping a bunch of other people's credit on one person anyway.

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    Now that I think about it, I can't even remember how the plot to Prometheus really went. I just remember the images and plot scraps which aren't gelling very well. So I'm not sure how this fits in.

    This is the group going in to start building the terraformers while Ripley is floating in space, and everybody but Newt is going to die. That's this story, right? That was my impression.

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    No, see my post above, Dema. Covenant takes place several years after Prometheus, but some time before Alien - I'd guess 10 or 20 years earlier, so about 50 or so years before the colonists are sent to "Alien's Planet" and 60 or so before Newt is even born.

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    Yeah I saw that, but what are they going to be doing there? Was there an earlier colony attempt that didn't stick? Because they mention being colonists.

    Edit. My memory is actually probably too shot to figure this out, so it's not a big deal. I should just say the story of the lost Aliens colony is the only open piece I think I care about. Presumably they're saving that for another movie yet, as seems to be all the rage these days.

    Edit2. Probably also, like another kind of trend these days, I'm subconsciously pretending Prometheus and Aliens 3+ didn't really happen, or did but at best were decorative filler around the edges of "the real story". So this set-up is already placing itself on thin ice then. But that's another issue.
    Last edited by demagogue; 24th Feb 2017 at 09:04.

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    A movie about the original colonists from Aliens would be pretty dull. They set up base there, install their atmospheric processors ("takes decades") and live peacefully for over 20 years until Burke calls to let them know about the derelict ship. After that it's just a massacre.

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    "Just a massacre" in the right hands could be some pretty hardcore survival horror, especially if there were a group of holdouts and some got away unaccounted for.

    Edit. Or even just Newt, and perhaps a caretaker right up until the end. I mean Alien was great and there was only one survivor, so it's not even unprecedented.
    Last edited by demagogue; 24th Feb 2017 at 09:16.

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    Ah, now I see what's bothering you. You assume the colonists from Covenant are going to the LV-426 moon, but I haven't seen anything that suggests this is the case. So almost certainly they are not going there, but somewhere else. It might be close to that moon, or it might be where the crashed starship originated from, or somewhere else entirely.

    About the LV-426 colony - I don't know if I want to see a movie about that. We already know fairly well what happened and with certainty who survived, so any suspense wouldn't be about "is the black guy gonna die first and who's gonna survive in the end?". Incidentally that's why I generally don't like the idea of prequels. There are a lot of prequels I like (because I have no taste and like EVERYTHING*), but I still prefer normal sequels or at least side stories, even if those are sort of prequels. Like Rogue One for example - even though I knew that they'd succeed, I wasn't sure until the end if and who'd survive.




    * I liked AvP well enough and the Resident Evil movies and the Star Wars prequels and and and

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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    "Just a massacre" in the right hands could be some pretty hardcore survival horror, especially if there were a group of holdouts and some got away unaccounted for.
    Yeah, I guess I can see that. I was thinking the colonists were just lambs to the slaughter, but the military guys in Aliens did find a barricade and signs of a "last stand." I'm sure they didn't have a lot of weapons there (at least not Marines style), so there could be some Macguyver type aspects of the colonists trying to rig up stuff like flamethrowers and seismic charges, or something like that.

    I guess it would end up like Rogue One though where you know in the end everyone dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_ivocha View Post
    Ah, now I see what's bothering you. You assume the colonists from Covenant are going to the LV-426 moon, but I haven't seen anything that suggests this is the case. So almost certainly they are not going there, but somewhere else.
    Right, of course. Failure of imagination on my part. That could be a good or bad sign, either more interesting fodder to the origin story, or (like they said about midoclorians, or the zombie-ape ftm) giving us answers we didn't really want to questions we didn't really ask.

    I'm going to shut up now since if the scope of possibilities is really that open ended, it's all just speculation at this point. And I shelve the LV-426 colony story idea as just my own personal curiousity.

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    The covenant goes to some sort of engineer (or engineer precursor) world, the 'paradise' David mentions in prometheus (I think. Or scott did in a post-prometheus interview). It's not the LV-426 colony mission. I don't think the company is even weyland-yutani yet? Whoah this got pretty nerdy eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivian View Post
    because fuck the entire fossil record, genetic evidence, etc.
    Yeah I think that was the unconscious "this will be shit" moment for me in Prometheus, in the prologue, where the Engineers seed the Earth with their atomised genetics, trusting that 4 billion years of natural selection and geological catastrophes will reassemble it into fellow domesticated primates.

    Who needs science in their science fiction?

    At least this flick is attempting to make likable characters, even if it is using clumsy shorthand to do it.

    If they are not the colonists for LV-426, they will still all die horribly, like teenagers at a cabin in the woods. Unless this pic can stitch together the frankenstory so far, or at least stuff the sausage into a shapely casing, my FUAF prediction stands.
    Last edited by Nicker; 24th Feb 2017 at 12:37.

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    Not impressed by what I see so far.

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    I mean, if there's no more to the story than - people attempt to colonize a planet, said people get wiped out by a alien there - I'm going to be very disappointed. I'm hoping Scott has something a little more interesting under the hood, but the trailer and prologue don't give any indication of what it might be.

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    Some van daniken shit, basically.

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    I think people and Hollywood have forgotten what made Alien a classic, it broke new stylistic ground.

    Until then, space adventures featured military expeditions and space craft that looked like sleek display suites, staffed by clean freaks. The Nostromo was a greasy, ugly, industrial rig manned by working stiffs.

    It had no pretenses about explaining the origins of humanity. It was bugz in space.

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