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Thread: Being immigrated in France what can happen to me if Marine Le Pen wins the elections

  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    What? I've only seen something about a vote for de Gaulle.
    Low turnout and a few things in the coverage (MLP leaving her HQ with a big smile and reports of somber mood at Macron's) made me fear the worst. I'm very glad that wasn't warranted.

  2. #152
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    I'm relieved that Macron seems to have it. Having a pro-elite money man in the top seat is all manner of bullshit for sure, and it will good if the parliament can rein that in, but it beats having to leave the country, which is what I was bracing for if Le Pen got in.

  3. #153
    Moderator
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    I'm also relieved even though Europe now feels closed to me. But my heart is over there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan_Key View Post
    . . . who will be next, first the "Middle Easterns" and then everyone whose family names don't sound french at all (like mine) ?
    I've rather given up arguing, I just endlessly quote this (shorter version).

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

  4. #154
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: France (Saint-Gobain)
    Macron won! yessss!


    I feel more relieved

  5. #155
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Girl with the Patreon Tattoo
    Man, I hate his guts.

  6. #156
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    A couple of people are screaming on my Facebook wall about the death of France, and the oncoming establishment of the European Caliphate.

    ...made me think Le Pen lost. Came here. Looks like I was right.

  7. #157
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: France (Saint-Gobain)
    Quote Originally Posted by Briareos H View Post
    Man, I hate his guts.
    right and probably you love Trump's guts.

  8. #158
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2010
    Location: Le Havre (France, 76)
    The worst election ever: the nationalist against the liberalist... So extremist against other extremist.

  9. #159
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2003
    Location: Location, Location
    Seems to be a lot of that going around lately.

  10. #160
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2011
    Location: Montpellier, France
    Well, no surprises here. Le Pen shot herself in the foot during the last debate, probably the worst performance I've ever seen in a debate. So embarrassing it was hilarious. Naturally Macron had to win, there was no way he wouldn't. Also, I've never seen so much partisanism from the media for a candidate, ever. It was absolutely surreal and frankly disgusting. Just absolute propaganda. They created Macron and put him where he is right now. He can definitely thank them for a job well done.

    Don't let his good looks and young age fool you. As I said earlier, the guy comes from the Rothschild bank and the most unpopular government in recent memory, has had awful results with said government that squandered millions to corporations, wants to further liberalize the labor market, lay off tens of thousands of workers, further cut the pensions that are already indecently low and some other funny ultra-liberal things that make me want to throw up. The only good thing with all this is that the massive voter abstention and blank ballots will make him a de facto unpopular president, and we now have three opposition parties instead of one. The objective right now (for me at least) is to prevent him from governing as much as possible through legislative elections. Only Mélenchon's Left can put a stop to his politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardia View Post
    right and probably you love Trump's guts.
    Very classy. Where has Briareos said he loved Trump? I hate Macron too, did I love Le Pen then?
    Pro-tip: I didn't.

  11. #161
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    Cardia - Macron is awful - he is basically lined up to start handing France to the wealthy. The fact that he is a better option than FN / Le Pen doesn't really say much. He's been compared with Tony Blair - so yeah, bad.

  12. #162
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Girl with the Patreon Tattoo
    Yeah I'm not going to get deep into this, just ask one thing: if you're left-leaning, really, if you feel that you are fundamentally a "left" person, don't stop the fight now. The Legislative elections are coming up and Florian Philippot is all to happy about the current result. The "FN" hasn't lost yet, and Macron hasn't won yet. Keep up the good fight.

  13. #163
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Girl with the Patreon Tattoo
    Also, sorry, I might be slightly inebriated.

  14. #164
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2008
    Location: in your second eyelids
    Soo, time to ask my favorite den of lefitsm... did the leftists prevail? Or did the evil villain nazis win yet again (WW3 incumming)? Fill me in like you would an attractive teenage girl!

  15. #165
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    Thor - neither. Also, I'm tired of political discourse being on a 1-dimensional spectrum.

  16. #166
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: The Land of Make Believe
    Quote Originally Posted by skacky View Post
    ...the guy comes from the Rothschild bank...
    If there's one thing worse than those liberals and all that liberating and liberalising and freeing people that they do, it's the goddam JOOS am I rite?

  17. #167
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2011
    Location: Montpellier, France
    I call people complete idiots a lot but you actually, legitimately, are one.

  18. #168
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2004
    How is it that the choices recently boil down to lesser od the two evils? Isn't the whole point of democracy to give rise to the best candidate not the least bad?

    Ah right, "democracy," i forgot...

  19. #169
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2009
    Location: Pawtucket,Rhode Island
    Quote Originally Posted by skacky View Post
    Well, no surprises here. Le Pen shot herself in the foot during the last debate, probably the worst performance I've ever seen in a debate. So embarrassing it was hilarious. Naturally Macron had to win, there was no way he wouldn't. Also, I've never seen so much partisanism from the media for a candidate, ever. It was absolutely surreal and frankly disgusting. Just absolute propaganda. They created Macron and put him where he is right now. He can definitely thank them for a job well done.

    Don't let his good looks and young age fool you. As I said earlier, the guy comes from the Rothschild bank and the most unpopular government in recent memory, has had awful results with said government that squandered millions to corporations, wants to further liberalize the labor market, lay off tens of thousands of workers, further cut the pensions that are already indecently low and some other funny ultra-liberal things that make me want to throw up. The only good thing with all this is that the massive voter abstention and blank ballots will make him a de facto unpopular president, and we now have three opposition parties instead of one. The objective right now (for me at least) is to prevent him from governing as much as possible through legislative elections. Only Mélenchon's Left can put a stop to his politics.


    Very classy. Where has Briareos said he loved Trump? I hate Macron too, did I love Le Pen then?
    Pro-tip: I didn't.
    So you guys had the choice between two candidates who wanted to turn your country into America,where its a Third World Country unless you have the good graces to be born into money you stole from people who actually do the labor or America with the idiotic conspiracy theories,unchecked facts and stupidly large amounts of racism.Its so weird to hear people refer to liberals like in regards to cutting jobs and pensions since over the right seems to think Liberals are Karl Marx which much to our loss they aren't.

    I just don't get why some people are so against the idea that people who work for a living should have a decent standard of living,Disabled People who can't work have just as much right to live as everyone else,or we should change in order to adapt to changing situation like why do we have the right to survive and live decent life tied into employment when full employment and livable levels is impossible even more so with jobs being lost to Automation and Globalization.

    Why is that such an alien concept some people.The world is changing and we must adapt with it we can keep on the same path we have been on since the 17th century because if current trends continue eventually the elites who have usually avoided the creeping touch of decline will feel it before long and the economy will collapse.Its just plain unsustainable to keep at with a society that ignores the needs of the majority of its population and an elite that continues to change the rules in their favor and take more than their fare share.It will never balance out it will only bottom out.

    What the deal with these fears of a so called European Caliphate,being American we don't hear a lot of the details about what happening there plus having to sift through the lies coming from the right.Has there been any attempt by immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East to impose Sharia or their values on those not of the faith that had any chance of success?Then you hear the cries about Crimes and Terrorist actions committed by Immigrants and Refuges,what are the real numbers and do they take into consideration the how much of a percentage of the population.

    For example if you have 300 Violent Crimes being committed by a group that makes up 25 Percent of the population and then 2500 violent crimes being committed by people belong to the group that makes up the remaining 75%,then that still means that the vast majority of the minority group are law abiding citizens who aren't bothering anyone.

    The issue with Extremism is how many of the actors are true believers and how many are just Psychotic Nihilistic Misanthropes who just latched onto this ideology to justify their desire to murder.

    So it sounds like it wasn't a win it was just staving off something far worse but the fight is still far from over. Remember don't the immigrant for job losses blame the business whose insatiable greed led to them giving the immigrants the job so they can undercut their wages.

    Keep up the good fight because we need to try to prevent world from getting any worse. A quick note to any right wingers,guess we leftists don't find the idea of a caliphate very appeal some of us don't want to be lorded over by an religion and feel that religion should be a private matter and stay out of public affairs nor are all of us Muslim apologists who refuse to call out the Islamic World when they messed up stuff.I criticize all faiths equally and I think the left needs listen more the experience of Atheist living in the Muslim World or Muslim Apostates because they probably have more experience than some Westerner.One can be critical while still respecting and defend a groups fundamental human rights.Setting any one person or group as infallible is just a recipe for disaster.I personally feel that the US is doomed because the Cold War and then later Fox News and some of our left decided to shoot themselves in the foot plus the our basically being a corporate state has seemingly irreparably damaged our political plus having no real serious challenge to agenda of the elite among the political parties and way to many still have their faith fixing this mess through electoral politics when the system is wholly rigged.

    Trumps not gonna save you neither was Hillary their both just separate arms of the same beast.The worst part is the people who are gonna feel perhaps the biggest pinch of Trumps Policies are the some of his most fervent supporters.I hope that wake some of them up the fact that they have been played for a long time.This country really needs a new Eugene Debs and Huey Long. I am glad you made the rightish decision and I can definitely understand why so many abstained.

  20. #170
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: The Land of Make Believe
    Quote Originally Posted by skacky View Post
    I call people complete idiots a lot but you actually, legitimately, are one.
    This is why I love the far left. A complete and utter lack of self-awareness.

    You know the definition of insanity is doing a thing over and over again and expecting different results. One wonders how many times Marxism has to fail before its adherents go and do something more productive with their lives.

  21. #171
    What didn't get in your thick head is that it wasn't about "the joos" as you so delicately put it, but about unbridled Big Finance and the disasters it causes all around us. Grow up.

  22. #172
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: France (Saint-Gobain)
    Quote Originally Posted by skacky View Post
    Very classy. Where has Briareos said he loved Trump? I hate Macron too, did I love Le Pen then?
    Pro-tip: I didn't.
    I didn't say he loves Trump, i said probably.

  23. #173
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Quote Originally Posted by Yakoob View Post
    How is it that the choices recently boil down to lesser od the two evils? Isn't the whole point of democracy to give rise to the best candidate not the least bad?

    Ah right, "democracy," i forgot...
    I don't think democracy has to boil down to binary choices (at least not in all cases), and IMO binary choices in and of themselves are a part of the problem. I very much prefer systems like consociationalism, and they are no less democratic.

  24. #174
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: France (Saint-Gobain)
    Honestly i don't what's wrong with Macron, though my choice would have been Benoit Hamon on the first round if i could vote, but never Mélenchon who wanted the France out of the EU, or Le Pen who clearly is even worst than Mélechon.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...es-want-Frexit

    whatever happened in France yesterday comparing to USA and UK is way more acceptable, its in fact good.

  25. #175
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2008
    Location: in your second eyelids
    Quote Originally Posted by faetal View Post
    Thor - neither. Also, I'm tired of political discourse being on a 1-dimensional spectrum.
    Hooo nice. Finally.

    So some well-rounded guy won or what? Is this person having a grasp for reality (understands things like mass immigration being a real problem in the real world) and empathy for an opposing opinion (since it's not left) while also isn't stubbornly set in his ways and over-the-top against change (since he's not right)?

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