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  1. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    No.

    Fuck you for espousing an ideology that GETS PEOPLE KILLED, just because doing so strokes your smug ego.

    Dont you DARE to fucking moralize at me.
    You aren't "compassionate". You arent somehow morally superior. You're just arrogant and self righteous.
    Well, you really are exploiting a tragedy just to be all smug and "told you so" and deride and look down on people offering sympathy and condolences.

  2. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Well, you really are exploiting a tragedy just to be all smug and "told you so" and deride and look down on people offering sympathy and condolences.
    Exactly.

  3. #78
    No. You have absolutely ZERO right to moralize to me on this topic. There are multiple times where I have put my life directly on the line to protect Middle Eastern Muslims, most notably when I led a team out of an IED mined area while wounded.....from the front, without a working mine detector when I could easily have put someone else in the front. You haven't done that for ANYONE in your fucking life, let alone a Muslim so you have zero fucking grounds to morally condescend to me. Once you actually put your money where your mouth is and put that much on the line (or as much as your circumstances allow you to, in the sake of fairness) then I'll be somewhat less dismissive.


    I also later wrote a recommendation letter so that the guy in question could immigrate to the United States and get a citizenship.

    Here's a hypothetical question: what do you think is going to happen to him if one of those unvetted refugees moves to his town and turns out to be associated with the Afghan Taliban? It's not going to be pretty.


    Well, you really are exploiting a tragedy just to be all smug and "told you so" and deride and look down on people offering sympathy and condolences.
    Huge difference between being "smug" about something and being so jaded that you just throw up your arms and say "fuck it!" because no matter how many times this happens the British police seem more interested in arresting hate tweeters than terrorists while half the rest of the press insists that the "real victims" are somehow not the people who got blown up at the concert.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 25th May 2017 at 08:57.

  4. #79
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    Tony that's great what you did, really. And soldering out there is the sort of life most of us couldn't handle, for sure.

    But it doesn't mean you get a free pass if you start sounding inhumane over treatment of immigrants. Or fire off unhelpful and hyperbolic ranting like the last paragraph of your post there.

  5. #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Well, you really are exploiting a tragedy just to be all smug and "told you so" and deride and look down on people offering sympathy and condolences.
    I'm sure those things will come in handy to the ones that paid the price.

  6. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    I'm sure those things will come in handy to the ones that paid the price.
    It's better than you guys using a tragic event as an opportunity to showboat and spread FUD.

  7. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    It's better than you guys using a tragic event as an opportunity to showboat and spread FUD.
    FUD?

    Personally I'm not using anything. I only point out the obvious sadness and what causes it, because there do seem to be people that are still very detached from reality. Though my voice isn't the strongest, so in a sense I am just kicking at a brick wall.

  8. #83
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    Fear, uncertainty and doubt. And yes you are. You were here stoking anti-migrant, anti-muslim sentiment even before the smoke had cleared from the blast, snarking and slapping each other on the backs, positively reveling in the chance of being able to rile people up, telling how Europe got what it deserved and how there's more to come.

    I'd tell you to go read your own posts, but that would require a degree of self-awareness.

  9. #84
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    Location: on a mission to civilize
    Can we quit bickering and just be sad and reflective regarding the fact that the last thing a bunch of kids heard was Ariana Grande. They barely got a chance to live and expand their horizons, and it's horrible that's the way they went out--with bad pop as the soundtrack to their demise.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    ...There are multiple times where I have put my life directly on the line to protect Middle Eastern Muslims, most notably when I led a team out of an IED mined area while wounded.....from the front, without a working mine detector when I could easily have put someone else in the front. You haven't done that for ANYONE in your fucking life, let alone a Muslim so you have zero fucking grounds to morally condescend to me.
    I got a paper-cut once while try to help a Middle Eastern Muslim locate a place on a map. It doesn't make me a hero because I willingly did what was right and what was asked of me--therefore, I have zero right to hold my incredibly painful paper-cut over anyone's head for political purposes or to make any sort of statement. Ergo, I refuse to be a cunt afterward about my plight in performing my duty to help out my fellow man. And believe you me, it was a nasty paper-cut.

  10. #85
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    Queue that was a really shit-arse comment, tone back your bitterness.

  11. #86
    Go ahead and be outraged all you want then.

    Just keep in mind that it wasn't me who claimed that regular terror attacks are just "part and parcel" of living in a big city.. That would be London's elected mayor.

    And judging by his approval rating, Brits don't really have a problem with that sentiment hence my original comment.

    Remember that. By just having a cold reaction of "eh, again?" I am only doing EXACTLY what your own British leadership has told us we should do.


    I also challenge you to point out where I've suggested "inhumane" treatment of immigrants. It's much simpler than that: as anyone from the U.K. should remember from dealing with the IRA terrorism is inextricably linked to organized crime. You don't have to actually start exterminating immigrants or any of that shit you think right wingers want to do. All you need to do is start going after the individual mosques, storefronts, etc. that are involved in the money laundering, trafficking, and other crimes that support terrorism. Make things a less fertile ground in the U.K. And they will go elsewhere. Just because the entities involved are Muslim owned doesn't mean they should get a pass.

  12. #87
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    Location: Indianapolis, IN
    I won't say that Europe has "gotten what it deserved," but there is indeed more to come. The British government has guaranteed there will be more to come. Because they keep letting muslims into the country.

    Countries with no muslims don't seem to have very many muslim terror attacks. Funny how that works.

    So I imagine we'll be able to reconvene this hearing sometime in June after the next attack. I don't take pleasure in this, I'm just the man sounding the alarm. Don't shoot the messenger.

  13. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    I won't say that Europe has "gotten what it deserved," but there is indeed more to come. The British government has guaranteed there will be more to come. Because they keep letting muslims into the country.

    Countries with no muslims don't seem to have very many muslim terror attacks. Funny how that works.

    So I imagine we'll be able to reconvene this hearing sometime in June after the next attack. I don't take pleasure in this, I'm just the man sounding the alarm. Don't shoot the messenger.
    Do you actually realise what you're writing ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

    http://timelines.latimes.com/deadlie...ting-rampages/

    "I won't say that the US has "gotten what it deserved"......" Funny how that works..."

  14. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    Just keep in mind that it wasn't me who claimed that regular terror attacks are just "part and parcel" of living in a big city.. That would be London's elected mayor.
    He said that big cities have to be prepared for terror attacks. What is wrong with that? Why are you trying to twist his statements into something that they are not by only quoting the part that sounds bad out of context? Every single time I go and look up the source of one of your statements it turns out to be a pile of BS with a cherry on top, only that the cherry is actually a shit nugget.

    Here is what he actually said:

    I’m not going to speculate as to how the police in New York should react. What I do know is part and parcel of living in a great global city is you gotta be prepared for these things, you gotta be vigilant, you gotta support the police doing an incredibly hard job, you gotta support the security services. And I think speculating, when you don’t know the facts, is unwise.

    As for islam being the cause of terror attacks, there are extremists in every religion, even buddhism. Banning muslims from the UK would do nothing but be a huge favor for the extremist propaganda networks. The islamist extremists love to portray this as a battle between islam and the West and this would be playing right into their hands. Though some people here seem very keen on playing along with them.

    And that's not even getting to how naive and out of touch with reality the suggestion is in the first place. It makes about as much sense as saying that we can stop nationalist terrorism by getting rid of nationalists.

  15. #90
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    Location: Indianapolis, IN
    Banning muslims from the UK would do nothing but be a huge favor for the extremist propaganda networks.
    So they get a "huge favor." And then what? Since they could no longer infiltrate the UK, how would they continue to launch attacks? Does ISIS have an air force or navy? The only way they can attack the UK, is if the UK government keeps importing masses of them to replace the native British people.

  16. #91
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    Do you really think banning muslims would lead to anything but more violence? Can't you see how ISIS propaganda would work much better in the UK if the UK took an official stance against islam? Not to mention all the vigilantes who would see it as a license for violence. You will only end up creating more enemies and more victims in the process, both among muslim as well as non-muslim brits.

    Again, do you think you can get rid of nationalist terrorism is to banning all nationalists?
    Last edited by Starker; 26th May 2017 at 15:45.

  17. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    So they get a "huge favor." And then what? Since they could no longer infiltrate the UK, how would they continue to launch attacks? Does ISIS have an air force or navy? The only way they can attack the UK, is if the UK government keeps importing masses of them to replace the native British people.
    Muslims currently make up 4.8% of the UK population. It was around 3.5% back during the turn of the century.

    So in 17 years, it's grown by about 1.3%. If they're facing an invasion, it's an incredibly slow one.
    Last edited by Renzatic; 26th May 2017 at 15:52.

  18. #93
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    I'd like to know what we're supposed to do with the descendants of the Muslims who came to live here in the 16th century. Just in case . . .

  19. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    I won't say that Europe has "gotten what it deserved," but there is indeed more to come. The British government has guaranteed there will be more to come. Because they keep letting muslims into the country.

    Countries with no muslims don't seem to have very many muslim terror attacks. Funny how that works.

    So I imagine we'll be able to reconvene this hearing sometime in June after the next attack. I don't take pleasure in this, I'm just the man sounding the alarm. Don't shoot the messenger.
    Your message is largely bollocks though.

    Identifying one relatively small aspect of who these people are as being the significant one is a mistake that just encourages them.
    They're not Muslims, they're evil cunts. Which particular books they've chosen their particular brand of "sky fairy said I should kill people" from is largely irrelevant.

  20. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    I'd like to know what we're supposed to do with the descendants of the Muslims who came to live here in the 16th century. Just in case . . .
    Keep an eye on 'em. They might go all Sharia law on you at any time.

  21. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    I'd like to know what we're supposed to do with the descendants of the Muslims who came to live here in the 16th century. Just in case . . .
    geni.com?

  22. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Fear, uncertainty and doubt. And yes you are. You were here stoking anti-migrant, anti-muslim sentiment even before the smoke had cleared from the blast, snarking and slapping each other on the backs, positively reveling in the chance of being able to rile people up, telling how Europe got what it deserved and how there's more to come.

    I'd tell you to go read your own posts, but that would require a degree of self-awareness.
    You'd tell me to go read me own posts, but that would require to have a degree of self-awareness, so you didn't tell me to go read my posts. Heh, can't disagree with that.
    I, on the other hand, do read my own posts, like when I need to recall what I said.

    To say that more will come is being redundant at this point. I don't think even you were surprised about this attack and even if you didn't want to think it was from islam, you probably unconsciously guessed it. I'd be pretty surprised if that wasn't the case (because when something is happening with a 99% rate, the 99% is what you come to expect).

    I didn't say or even imply that Europe gets what it deserves, but part of Europe is at least getting what was coming to it. I wouldn't be surprised if I or someone I know gets caught in an explosion too at some point in the future. Politics be politics though. Still better than living in complete socialism (shoutout to Venezuela).
    And hey, I'm European, and I definitely don't deserve this crap. In anger I could say that the people that welcome all immigrants like everyone is the same person - that they deserve it. But they don't. They just don't understand the world beyond their peaceful paradise that they've lived in all their lives. They are children in this scenario.

    And yeah, the death toll is still small in comparison to daily crimes, but that's not the point.
    Last edited by Thor; 26th May 2017 at 16:12.

  23. #98
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    I don't think Venezuela is truly socialist. If I remember correctly, their oil industry is entirely state run, but still falls back on a market based economy for everything else.

    Their biggest problem is that their entire economy is dependent on that one state run industry, and it's been badly run for many a year now.
    Last edited by Renzatic; 26th May 2017 at 16:46.

  24. #99
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    Wait, the big comeback is a demonstration of lack of reading comprehension? Did you really think this through, Thor?

  25. #100
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    What big comeback? It's quite late, so if you could quote the bit that didn't make sense to you I would appreciate that.

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