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  1. #226
    Chakat sex pillow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Yeah, it's pretty shocking at first, but you get used to it after awhile.
    You shouldn't be. I await T_T's answer to the question you posed, and if it's not satisfactory, we shouldn't be tolerating that bullshit here.

  2. #227
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    It was fine as a topic for a thread. It just de-railed after a while.

  3. #228
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    If it makes you feel any better, tony tits told me that he only comes here to 'test arguments out'.

  4. #229
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    He can test 'em out in his PUA forum, then. I'm not a fan of people drizzling shit on the pavement to see if it washes off the next day.

  5. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    I want to know Tony's definition of masculine, what he considers "effeminate characteristics".

    ...and I'll probably regret asking it.
    This type of person:





    And if you have to ask, then there's no point in arguing with you because you probably believe the "gender is a social construct" bullshit that nobody excempt spoiled, pampered Urban White people in wealthy countries believes.

    Everyone here has had someone do something shitty to them. I have. You have, I'm sure. The same could be said of anyone else who posts here. The only difference between I, they, and you is that they're not making it into a goddamn sociopolitical issue.
    Damn you have a one-track mind. People

    The problem is when people run into the assholes, and assume EVERYONE of that particular race, color, creed or gender must all be the same that's the problem. Just because a few socially awkward guys had a run of bad luck with a few self serving stuck up ladies at the club doesn't mean you can say "well geez, no wonder some men go misogynist." They're all dealing with shit people do, have done since 6000BC, and will continue to do in the foreseeable future. Why? Because some people are assholes, regardless of race, color, creed, gender, or nationality.
    No. The issue isn't just a few guys who can't get laid. There's LOT of disturbing trends in play. Male suicide rates are at an all time high, average sperm counts and testosterone levels are at an all time low, male academic enrollment and degree achievement is falling....

    And a lot of these are PHYSIOLOGICAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL issues.

    You can't explain ANY of that shit arguing about "Feminism". What's your explanation?

    Why the fuck is it so hard for you to admit that maybe...just maybe.....Western society now has a problem that we don't have an answer to yet? And I'm warning that just browbeating men about how bad their maleness is only going to make things worse, not better.

    He can test 'em out in his PUA forum, then. I'm not a fan of people drizzling shit on the pavement to see if it washes off the next day.
    Your insinuation that because I read alt-right forums (note that I don't even READ their "game" section) somehow means I endorse and agree with everything said there is as ludicrous as trying to say that I agree with everything said here on TTLG or that I agree with and endorse everything said on Jezebel (which I also read and every so often post on).

    He can test 'em out in his PUA forum, then. I'm not a fan of people drizzling shit on the pavement to see if it washes off the next day.
    You all are quite capable of shititing up the forum yourselves.....there's a REASON why this forum has the low participation you all keep complaining about it, and a lot of it is that you all need to take a look in the damn mirror the next time you want to open your mouths and start bitching about everyone else being hateful and biased. The other reason is that very few posters here even attempt to give back and share useful knowledge. People in other places generally do, which makes those forums worth reading.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 27th Jul 2017 at 12:26.

  6. #231
    Regarding all these gender issues.

    I challenge ANY liberal/progressive leaning member of TTLG to analyze this story with an even head: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.33eb21622f90

    Ripley was a good one. Women can shoot people of course =). I just have to roll my eyes when I see TV women swinging swords and hacking down men in armor - or wrestling/kickboxing men though.
    Hollywood in general is fairly ludicrous with that kind of thing. My favorite moment in recent memory was on Arrow when Laurel took down an assassin and explained it by saying that she'd taken "self defense classes" recently.

    As if ANYONE could beat a hardened, trained killer in a straight up fight taking a few hours of karate classes a week for a few months........

  7. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Tony, I'm considering taking a stance that any extraordinary claim made in any political post has to be backed up with some pretty solid evidence to validate your assertions.

    Your claim above that most mass murderers are effeminate half-men striking out due to sexual frustration? You're gonna have to back that up.
    Again your lambasting something I say as crazy just because I say it.

    When someone you regard as a prestigious, progressive, figure says it then all of a sudden it's a brilliant and deep thought:






    To quote Bill Maher, "Mass Killers are almost always male, and almost always female repellant".


    Have you considered that maybe....just MAYBE...my ideas are NOT crazy and you just have a personal hatred for me? Notice how frequently we're getting into this pattern of I say something, you and Sulphur flip out about how crazy and insane it is.....then it turns out that I'm actually just quoting someone with high prestige, an Ivy-league degree, and wide esteem from Democrats and you all suddenly pretend the exchange never happened?

    Next time before you get on your high horse you should probably check and make sure that the actual source of the argument I'm getting it from isn't someone that you idolize.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 27th Jul 2017 at 12:35.

  8. #233
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    I figured bro culture was already working to reverse those trends.

  9. #234
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    Have you considered that maybe....just MAYBE...my ideas are NOT crazy and you just have a personal hatred for me? Notice how frequently we're getting into this pattern of I say something, you and Sulphur flip out about how crazy and insane it is.....then it turns out that I'm actually just quoting someone with high prestige, an Ivy-league degree, and wide esteem from Democrats and you all suddenly pretend the exchange never happened?

    Next time before you get on your high horse you should probably check and make sure that the actual source of the argument I'm getting it from isn't someone that you idolize.
    Your biggest problem, Tony, is that you assume much, whine often, and aren't too terribly bright. You try to make yourself come across as this victimized truthsayer, standing up for yourself after being bullied by the progressive liberal leftists here who lash out at you because they can't handle your truth, and the evidence you provide is...

    ...a little spiel from Bill Maher that doesn't quite align with what you're saying, and a low T argument? Where's the breakdown of all the profiles and personalities of all the mass killers who have struck over the last 50 odd years? Where are the studies detailing the rise in suicide rates among the male population over the last something-odd years? The sound evidence that supports your assertion that the alleged feminization of society is causing people to lash out from the pressure? You make so many broad claims, and when you're called on them, you put up an attitude, start generalizing, then give us something pop psych shit above that only proves what everyone already knows: that some people who have gone off on mass shootings tend to be shunned by the opposite sex.

    ...which, of course, isn't surprising, given that they do tend to be goony, creepy fucks long before the bullets start flying. You're not telling anyone anything new here.

    Hell, you have yet to even attempt to back up your own assertion that the pressures of western society to conform to more feminine standards is what caused these men to lash out, only presenting the vague notion that not being able to get laid somehow lead to it.

    So no, Tony. People aren't mad at you here because you're the chosen woke one, rubbing our faces in the shit we've made for ourselves. It's that 98% of your arguments are all fury, accusations, and righteous indignation, with very little substance. You are the Michael Bay of political discourse.
    Last edited by Renzatic; 27th Jul 2017 at 14:09.

  10. #235
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    Your insinuation that because I read alt-right forums (note that I don't even READ their "game" section) somehow means I endorse and agree with everything said there is as ludicrous as trying to say that I agree with everything said here on TTLG or that I agree with and endorse everything said on Jezebel (which I also read and every so often post on).
    Maybe that insinuation is in your head; I didn't even know PUA's were exclusively alt-right, that's a pretty dramatic accusation all by itself. My insinuation is what I stated plainly: if you're gonna take a dump, do it anywhere else as long as it's not this forum.

    You all are quite capable of shititing up the forum yourselves.....there's a REASON why this forum has the low participation you all keep complaining about it, and a lot of it is that you all need to take a look in the damn mirror the next time you want to open your mouths and start bitching about everyone else being hateful and biased. The other reason is that very few posters here even attempt to give back and share useful knowledge. People in other places generally do, which makes those forums worth reading.
    I'd rather this place remains quiet than become a cesspool gunked up with the poorly fact-checked, poorly worded, poorly thought out, and generally offensive bigotry that you bring to it, with a heaping helpful of strawmen and general asshattery to boot.

    I'm going to be blunt: you've been raked over the coals for all of this and more in the past years, and it's time your inane, prevaricating subnormal threadshitting is plugged up one way or the other.

    As for your response to Renz - a Bill Maher video that's literally a four minute talking point with no data? You'll need to bring something better to the table, because there's nothing that backs up your claims of effeminacy=mass shooter in there. You'd better bring that data, because nothing you've posted is verifiable proof of anything, and we do not need to tolerate bigotry at TTLG.

  11. #236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    This type of person:


    https://s12.postimg.org/pml3g9h6l/hip.jpg

    And if you have to ask, then there's no point in arguing with you because you probably believe the "gender is a social construct" bullshit that nobody excempt spoiled, pampered Urban White people in wealthy countries believes.
    That's a cop out. You were asked what your definition of masculine is and what you consider "effeminate characteristics" since you were going on about both. And then you present a picture. You're not usually at a loss for words, so what is this?

  12. #237
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    Location: Chicago, IL
    What has Tony said that is "bigoted?" I'm the bigoted one here, and if Tony was usurping my throne I would have (un-gently) let him know by now.

  13. #238
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    Being "bigoted" is not a good thing, Krush.

  14. #239
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    I don't consider myself a bigot, but you guys have called me bigoted because I'm against unlimited immigration from third world to western nations.

    Also I don't care what you consider good.

  15. #240
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    we are all bigots to one degree or another......

  16. #241
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    For fuck's sake how do I delete threads on this forum? I'm getting sick of this thread even existing.

  17. #242
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    I don't consider myself a bigot, but you guys have called me bigoted because I'm against unlimited immigration from third world to western nations.

    Also I don't care what you consider good.
    It's not that opinion that raises people's hackles around here. As far as holding tighter reigns on immigration are concerned, I don't entirely disagree with you.

    It's when you go off on one of your "foreign barbarians are invading our country and destroying our culture" tirades that I and others start getting concerns.
    Last edited by Renzatic; 27th Jul 2017 at 22:38.

  18. #243
    ZylonBane
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    Is it possible to take away from members the right to rename threads? Because when some petulant assclown clobbers the title of a long-running thread, that's a right that needs to be revoked.

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    Wait, which western country has unlimited immigration?

  20. #245
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    Only Greece and Italy. And only because they refuse to torpedo ships full of unarmed civilians.
    They're probably just trying to make the rest of us feel guilty with this virtue signalling.

  21. #246
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buccura View Post
    For fuck's sake how do I delete threads on this forum? I'm getting sick of this thread even existing.
    While that is understandable, you're just the starter of this conversation, and except for your own contributions you don't own it. Hence you should not be able to delete it.
    If it's any consolation, this also means that you're not responsible for how it went.

  22. #247
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    Totally agree with that.

    Though whenever I read "Whoessa" I can't help but think of:


  23. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolya View Post
    Only Greece and Italy. And only because they refuse to torpedo ships full of unarmed civilians.
    They're probably just trying to make the rest of us feel guilty with this virtue signalling.

    What the fuck does immigration have to do with a female Doctor?

    There's a thread for that.

    That's a cop out. You were asked what your definition of masculine is and what you consider "effeminate characteristics" since you were going on about both. And then you present a picture. You're not usually at a loss for words, so what is this?
    There's quite a few that almost are by definition due to being physiological. Guys with a high pitched nasally voices, who have minimal upper body strength, low testosterone/sperm levels, soft facial features etc. That's mostly what meant by including that and why I posted the picture. Take a look at any of these extremely "misogynistic" guys and you'll find most of those physical features present.

    Example from googling "pickup artist". Except for the hair (lack thereof, specifically) on the one dude who looks like Kane these guys are pretty much the exact opposite of traditional masculine physical features:




    A lot of the behaviors aren't distinctly "feminine", but still fly in the face of traditional ideals for male behavior. Traits like being excessively needy and clingy (I'm sure some of our female members have, at some point, been on dates with guys that text you 50 times during the 24 hours following), attempting to get in women's pants by being "friends" with them (which is dishonest and sleazy), exhibiting a pattern of behaviors of being extremely uptight and judgemental about the "rules" being afraid of conflict, being a doormat in general, and a constant attitude of feeling guilty about anything they do to try to make themselves happy.

    Again my general experience been that almost all of your internet "misogony" is coming from males who exhibit at least a few of those traits.




    Hope that answers your question.


    My question in return:

    How in any way, shape, or form is the Doctor being female going to advance gender equality as the advocates(media pundits) seem to believe is most significant about the change?


    Hell, you have yet to even attempt to back up your own assertion that the pressures of western society to conform to more feminine standards is what caused these men to lash out, only presenting the vague notion that not being able to get laid somehow lead to it.

    It isn't something that I can convince you with by listing a few points of "facts". I don't know how to say this delicately...but it takes a considerably more open mind than you possess. You need to be willing to read in places that you don't like, suspend judgement for at least a few moments, and observe what people's buttons to figure out what makes them feel the way they do. The overall sentiment was expressed very well by the movie "Fight Club" about how society tends to drive some males crazy because they have no outlet for their need for physical struggle and personal challenge.


    If you're actually interested in trying to understand the topic rather than just rushing to moral judgement, there's a great book written by Washington Post and New York Times writer Norah Vincent:

    https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man.../dp/0143038702


    Hell, you have yet to even attempt to back up your own assertion that the pressures of western society to conform to more feminine standards is what caused these men to lash out, only presenting the vague notion that not being able to get laid somehow lead to it.
    Remember how you sent me a nasty PM warning me I'd be banned if I misrepresented what people are saying?

    Well here's my post.
    You can't explain ANY of that shit arguing about "Feminism". What's your explanation?
    It's hard to have a productive, non-hostile conversation with you when you continue to make dishonest arguments. I very clearly stated that it obviously isn't just "feminism" because social standards don't explain why the physiology of western males is changing to a point where scientists are now saying that there is an imminent crisis due to males being physically unable to reproduce.


    Anyways, for anyone who has the patience for a LONG ( 15 minute +) read about the topic, here's an old Atlantic article from 2000 that goes over a lot of the data in question regarding male under-achievement:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...t-boys/304659/

    Ironically enough, and as the article describes, the notion that educational systems needed to be "fixed" in favor of women to fix the issue of female under-achievement has roots in academic writings that "offered little in the way of conventional evidence".


    On the flip side of how to fix the problem, here is my answer:



    Some of you all might have heard of "urban prep charter". It's a school that is located Englewood Chicago, takes economically disadvantaged minorities who are behind academically, and has produced 100% college admission rate for years in a row.

    The brochure highlights stark contrast to conventional education: mentoring from "positive male role models", a rigorous code of conduct, family involvement, high academic expectations, and mandatory participation in competitive activities.

    http://www.urbanprep.org/pdf/urbanprepbrochure2014.pdf

    And schools like this is why I think that the best answer to America's problems is found in more traditional elements of the black community.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 29th Jul 2017 at 17:11.

  24. #249
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    Tony, you're acting as if more "feminized" men are some new thing, a consequence of our new alleged female-centric society, and it's mainly responsible for most of the ills of society.

    I'm gonna tell you right now that men who don't fit into the traditional male mold (which, like everything, is a definition always being redefined) have been around since society became a thing back in 3000BC or so. What you're seeing here isn't anything new, and a few pictures of some hipsters and fashionistas won't do a damn thing to prove your grossly overblown point.

    Don't worry about the death of traditional gender roles. You'll always have men who are men, women who are women, and some people who happen to fall in between. The only difference between now and the past is we're more openly acknowledging that latter group these days. Saying "Yes, there are some people who don't quite align to the usual gender monopoles" isn't going to ruin your world or destroy society as we know it.

    As for these new supposed behavior trends, you're, once again, taking the actions of a few insecure people, and treating it as some new thing that's becoming a blight on society. Like people who fall somewhere in the middle of the gender spectrum, insecure people have been around since we've had brains, and do weird things to compensate for their insecurities. This isn't a new 21st century development.

    In short, Tony, you're taking very little, and slathering it with hyperbole to prove an issue that exists almost primarily in your head. I wanna say more, but...jesus, man. It's just so fucking stupid. I mean it makes my teeth hurt to even acknowledge the fact that someone could be so idiotic and frightened of an ever changing world that they have to build this huge victim narrative around themselves to the point they actually start believing the idiot drivel you spew out on a near daily basis.

    I mean goddamn, Tony. What the fuck, son?

    I very clearly stated that it obviously isn't just "feminism" because social standards don't explain why the physiology of western males is changing to a point where scientists are now saying that there is an imminent crisis due to males being physically unable to reproduce.
    LINK PLZ

    Though like I said in our little PM, the study that apparently caused millions of scientists around the world to decry the role of Western Male was a single metastudy based off a series of other studies that shows evidence of a downward trend in sperm counts when compared to sperm counts done in the past. The study itself states that the findings are interesting, worthy of further investigation, but doesn't state anything conclusively, since there are plenty of other studies floating about, done on smaller focus groups, that contradict its findings. Hell, the study doesn't say a single thing about people being literally unable to reproduce.

    It's people like you, Tony, who are running around using this one study as proof that the sky is falling. If you want to know why people are so hostile to you around here, it's because you do stupid shit like this ALL THE TIME!

    Here, damnit. Here!
    Last edited by Renzatic; 29th Jul 2017 at 17:55.

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