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  1. #76
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    where I come from an alt-righter is someone can only turn right every other go. Sounds a bit long to be honest.

  2. #77
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    Maybe I'll just take three lefts and still get there in the end.

  3. #78
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    On the one hand I'd like to see that, but on the other it would probably look like Vae when he does his living strawman thing.
    Anyway, I didn't know you watched plays. What have you last seen?

  4. #79
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    Fiddler on the Roof. I don't go to the theater on a regular basis, but I can still read the articles about how "Hamilton" is so "brave."

  5. #80
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    You're all a bunch of douches. Every single one of you. Douches.
    Last edited by Renzatic; 18th Jul 2017 at 17:31.

  6. #81
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    I object to this characterization. I may be smelly, but not wet. Usually.

  7. #82
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    People who deny their douchiness are the biggest douches of all.

    Also, I'm not saying people are literally douches, Krush. It's like, you know, a saying. You being smelly and occasionally sometimes wet is something else entirely that may or may not contribute to your overall douchiness.

  8. #83
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    It's a lifestyle choice, don't judge.

  9. #84
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  10. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    It's a lifestyle choice, don't judge.
    We're all douches here, Krush.

    ...and douches judge.

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    I agree with the Bill Murray bit.

  12. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    No matter how much you try to appease the Left, they always want more, more, more.
    That's not true!...We'll be able to claim victory when Dr. Who regenerates into her final form as a Kenyan lesbian!...



    ...and she better be flying around in a rainbow TARDIS!...

  13. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    The important question is, what colour is her hair.
    My first thought was: does the TARDIS even have anywhere to plug in a hairdryer?

  14. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    It's not just fictional characters - they've retconned Alexander Hamilton as gay and black in a play
    I assume you're talking about the Hamilton musical. The relationship between Hamilton and John Laurens is something biographers have speculated about for a long time, but the musical never comes straight out and says anything about it explicitly, one way or another.

  15. #90
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    Icemann is not some awful troglodyte, just having trouble accepting change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    It's a calculated program of cultural and racial erasure and re-writing.
    You're mistaking loss of dominance for oppression.

  16. #91
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    It's funny that icemann posted a space marine. While geek culture has slowly adapted to accomodate female fans and creators, I think 40k is one subset that has stayed very much "by men, for men".

    If GW ever writes in lady marines I imagine the resulting nerdrage will not be pretty.

  17. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Chimpy Chompy View Post
    It's funny that icemann posted a space marine. While geek culture has slowly adapted to accomodate female fans and creators, I think 40k is one subset that has stayed very much "by men, for men".

    If GW ever writes in lady marines I imagine the resulting nerdrage will not be pretty.
    More specifically, by 13 year olds in adult bodies for 13 year olds.

    Besides which Warhammer already has all female combat units in the canon.

  18. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Vivian View Post
    That space marine could be a woman, you know
    Actually...it can't.


    And you know what else is amazing?

    Nobody here seems to give a shit about ANYTHING else other than how this touches on their own petty-ass little social justice vendettas, and is missing what actually matters about this show: that it's probably going to make the show suck even harder than it has been languishing under Moffat (A few episodes like Heaven sent excepted of course).


    Or is it...possibly because you all know deep down but will never admit that shows like this, as a result of the way nerds think (being generally followers), tend to be trendsetters for the beliefs that people in your social circles have and that you know that it will push their opinions further/closer to the ones you want them to have?

    That's too much fucking weight to put on a silly show like this.


    Is it politically correct to want girls to watch your show? I don't think so. Is it politically correct to appeal to girls by casting a female lead? I don't think it is. That's just common sense.

    Probably they just wanted to widen the audience beyond the (presumably) older male sci-fi geek crowd, so they could sell more expensive ad slots and maybe increase the show's budget. Will they lose some of their long time viewers? Sure they will. But they're probably calculating it will be more than offset by new viewers.
    The show already appealed to girls. It just so happens that your guess at the shows viewers being "older males". A majority of fans are female last I heard.

    Why wouldn't a show about a dashing man with a troubled past and sexy accent who can whisk you away on fantastic adventures appeal to women?

    It's not wrong for women to like watching a show because it has a sexy male lead. Ironically enough I expect that this move will actually appeal LESS to female fans because you're isolating the ones who watch because they like the dashing male lead and you aren't going to bring in enough new girl power motivated viewers to replace them

    Classic marketing mistake. If you alienate your core fanbase trying to bring on new ones you've just traded something great for a hypothetical. It rarely works in practice because 95%+ of the time it's easier to retain customers/viewers you already have than to acquire new ones. Let me know the moment you find ANYONE who suddenly decides that they're going to start watching the show because it has a female lead, or that they've decided that they're finally going to watch the show now that Doctor Who (already known for being extremely progressive) has stopped their sexist policy of only male-lead doctors.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 19th Jul 2017 at 11:59.

  19. #94
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    Angry at the wrong things, with a helping of "you can't admit the truth to yourself". A very Tony post.

    Kind of sad that that better representation of women in popular scifi is described as a petty-ass vendetta.

    Nothing is lost. Nothing is taken away from the character. Girls in the audience can see that sometimes the hero is more like them. And if they'd rather have a dashing male lead then, well, I'm sure that will be the case again in a few years.

  20. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chimpy Chompy View Post
    Angry at the wrong things, with a helping of "you can't admit the truth to yourself". A very Tony post.
    Maybe he's right, and we can't see this truth for ourselves because we're all suffering from cognitive dissonance confirmation bias social justice warrior triggered problematic.

  21. #96
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    They way I see it, I'm rather bored of the show, and this could add some spice to what's becoming a stale mix (though I still think this wouldn't have happened if they let Capaldi curse more). For me, it doesn't have anything to do with being inclusive, or social justice or whatever. A female doctor could make the show interesting again, simply for the shift in perspective.

    But let's not let this get in the way of a good Tony Tarantula Tirade.

  22. #97
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    I really liked the Capaldi seasons.... Except for his first one (good starting episode though). The rest, and in particularly his final season were excellent. Especially if your a fan of the old series (1950-80s) as this incorporated much of what was, and incorporated it into the new so that both co-existed fine. Gender swapping was the only retcon I can think of that occurred during those seasons. The rest stuck to what had been established.

    As for if there was ever a Doctor I really disliked. Sylvester McCoy (the last of the Doctors from the old series). Though this was FAR LESS due to him personally and more the direction the show had taken. The stories had become quite poor (though not all of them) and the standard of the show had dropped quite significantly. It didn't help that the head of the BBC at the time hated sci-fi with a passion. At the time of McCoy coming in, there had been some nasty business with the Doctor before, Colin Baker being fired suddenly + numerous other odd choices around that point in time, to the detriment of the show as a whole.

    The funny thing is, is that in this whole debate here, I think I may be the only one here whose watched the entire series and with a true love of the show (both old and new). Doctor Who is a show that I've grown up with. I was completely obsessed with it as a kid (mostly due to Tom Baker + the Daleks and Cybermen), and it's been there across my lifetime. I don't want to see the show changed beyond recognition. I want the show to continue to shine and live on for decades to come. But if too much is changed, then there is a good chance that this may ruin it and see it's cancellation again. Just as what occurred in the 80s. Though the last cancellation was more due to the BBC and less due to ratings.

    The Doctor is male. Always was, always should be. That's The Doctor.

    Now I should point out that there was one case of a female Doctor earlier. BUT, it was in a comic relief special, so that doesn't count (and certainly doesn't make it cannon). She was the final regeneration in that special. Played by Joanna Lumley (of Absolutely Fabulous fame). The special if you want to look it up was called "Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death". I did like seeing Rowan Atkinson play one of the regenerations. Always wanted to see him play the Doctor someday. Shame it was only in comedy.
    Last edited by icemann; 19th Jul 2017 at 15:39.

  23. #98
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    But why do you believe a woman is going to ruin it? Why is that such a drastic change to you? She's not going to paint the Tardis pink. Have you never met a tough woman?
    Seriously, I think in a year you will acknowledge that Jody Whittaker makes a great Doctor. Different perhaps, but good.

  24. #99
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    I haven't watched much of the show - just a few episodes here and there - but I got the impression that, if he had the choice for each regeneration, The Doctor is the kind character who might well decide to be male 12 times in a row, and then try being female for a change. No idea if he's meant to have any level of choice over who he regenerates as, though.

    Seems like one of the few cases of a show where they could get away with something like this.

  25. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    I haven't watched much of the show - just a few episodes here and there - but I got the impression that, if he had the choice for each regeneration, The Doctor is the kind character who might well decide to be male 12 times in a row, and then try being female for a change. No idea if he's meant to have any level of choice over who he regenerates as, though.

    Seems like one of the few cases of a show where they could get away with something like this.
    My impression is that the ability to control the regeneration varies considerably. There's an episode in the older run where Romana flits through several variations as easily as a change of wardrobe before settling on something. It's either that, or the Doctor just likes the surprise of whatever randomly shows up when he regenerates. It's not like the Doctor has no control over it. He did re-grow a hand before the process had completed and his hand had gotten lopped off by an enemy.

    Speaking of Romana, I was fine with the Master regenerating as a woman, I'm fine with the Doctor regenerating female, but for some reason it would irk me greatly for Romana to return as a man. And I would like to see her in a storyline somehow.

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