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  1. #126
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    ICEMANN GON GET BEAT!

  2. #127
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    As I told you in that post and again after, this wasn't aimed at you specifically, but at the group of people whose voice you had joined. And while my wording after a few beer was out of line, I stand by the point that women deserve not to be rejected because of their gender.
    That being said, I really wish to stay on friendly terms with you, icemann.

  3. #128
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    Likewise. Whilst I did use the line you used, I was just making a general point.

    I've seen similar reactions toward those opposed in other forums. For example at the Gallifreybase forums. So it's certainly not just isolated to here. Though over there the moderators have been deleting some of the posts of some of the people who were in the "opposed" camp which is a bit odd.

    Anyways, I've made the main points I wanted to make. Everyone is welcome to their opinions, as I am with mine.

  4. #129
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    That does seem to be the boilerplate reaction whenever there's pushback from a man on a gender politics issue; immediately insult his sexual prospects, or call him a crybaby. It's an ultimately self-defeating tactic, since it doesn't address his points to his satisfaction, and it can only serve to further polarize him against you.

    Don't drive the moderates out of the discussion. You may herd more people into the opposing camp than you're prepared to deal with. This is a lesson we should have learned last year.
    Last edited by Trance; 22nd Jul 2017 at 08:43.

  5. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Vae View Post
    Change is welcome within a virtual universe when it doesn't corrupt canon. The problem isn't change itself, it's corruptive change.

    There have been several people, including myself, who have made clear, logical points, that have defined why a retconned gender-swap is poor choice for the Dr. Who IP, which has nothing to do with your small-minded "anti-woman" fabrication that you irrationally project onto other people. The fact that you're having difficulty understanding that these logical points exist on this thread only speaks to your clouded state of mind, and your struggle with objective reality.
    To be fair, a lot of the show's direction over the past few years has consisted of blow-hard, pretentious retcons. It doesn't always distract from some excellent intra-episode plots and writing but the meta has been complete shit for awhile. They ALMOST had something extremely interested with the arc about "The Silence" but managed to completely fuck up the execution and turn it into an almost cringe-worthy resolution.

    That does seem to be the boilerplate reaction whenever there's pushback from a man on a gender politics issue; immediately insult his sexual prospects, or call him a crybaby. It's an ultimately self-defeating tactic, since it doesn't address his points to his satisfaction, and it can only serve to further polarize him against you.

    Don't drive the moderates out of the discussion. You may herd more people into the opposing camp than you're prepared to deal with. This is a lesson we should have learned last year.
    And that's.....kind of what led to the whole Gamergate thing. People would probably have forgotten about it very quickly if it wasn't for things like a gaming magazine editor saying that Gamers were "losers who need to be bullied into submission".

    Still I'm impressed by how many people almost reflexively attack and hate any positive expression of masculinity or any portrayal of males that doesn't shame masculinity. Personally I still think it's fucking stupid and self defeating: trying to turn everyone into effeminate, "nice guy", males is how you get MORE people like Elliot Rogers who start building up a quiet hatred for women that eventually explodes into violence or assault.

    In fact I'd go so far as to say that a huge portion of the "misogony" that currently exists is because of guys who were raised by women or to behave like women (e.g. that their masculinity is somehow inherently bad). Sure it makes you feel great growing up because those environments are dominated by female authority figures who like it when you act that way. However that upbringing generally results in a lack of real life emotional intelligence so it just leads to you getting shit on constantly by more competitive, aggressive personality types...to say nothing of how those guys have tend to experience the worst side of women regularly. Eventually the pendulum swings back violently the other direction and it doesn't always stop in that healthy middle ground where a man neither pedestalizes nor hates women.

    Sure it feels good to just bash them as "hating women", and "misogynists". It's a far more productive discussion to ask WHY they became that way. That might give some more accurate insight into why there is now starting to be a backlash against constant female empowerment.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 23rd Jul 2017 at 15:47.

  6. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    And that's.....kind of what led to the whole Gamergate thing. People would probably have forgotten about it very quickly if it wasn't for things like a gaming magazine editor saying that Gamers were "losers who need to be bullied into submission".
    Where was this? I actually never saw the article that set off the whole thing.

  7. #132
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    There was no such thing as a moderate center during the Gamersgate fiasco. It started out with some guy smearing his ex-girlfriend on the internet, then immediately went to everyone doxing and death threating each other from there. Stupidest goddamn thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

  8. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula
    trying to turn everyone into effeminate, "nice guy", males is how you get MORE people like Elliot Rogers who start building up a quiet hatred for women that eventually explodes into violence or assault.
    Just saw this. It's, once again, another massive misrepresentation by Mr. Tony Tarantula.

    Elliot Rogers was never shamed about being "male", or "masculine", or whatever other victimization tripe you want to toss up. He was heavily involved with Pick Up Groups, which does tend to be the very opposite of the very things you're claiming, mostly celebrating their masculinity by picking up barflies and club chicks. Unless you're talking about the extreme fringes of that scene, where things start getting a little, for lack of a better word, rapey (which Rogers wasn't involved in), they're a pretty harmless bunch.

    But it wasn't the PUG scene that lead to his eventual violent outburst. If anything, some of the people there tried steering him in the right direction. It's that he was a creepy little goon with more than his fair share of mental and emotional issues, took the fact that no one wanted to touch him with a 10 foot pole as being a problem endemic with women rather than himself, blamed them for all his ills and failings, and took things to their illogical conclusion.

    The fact you're using Rogers as a victim of feminism shows that, well, YOU'VE GOT A BIG AGENDA, TONY! CONFIRMATION BIAS! COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!
    Last edited by Renzatic; 23rd Jul 2017 at 18:14.

  9. #134
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    I have an uncle who's the product of a WMAF relationship. He looks sorta like Bruce Lee, especially in his younger years, but has a really thick southern accent. Always calls me "maayyyaattthheewww".

    It's a really weird combination, let me tell you.

  10. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Just saw this. It's, once again, another massive misrepresentation by Mr. Tony Tarantula.

    Elliot Rogers was never shamed about being "male", or "masculine", or whatever other victimization tripe you want to toss up. He was heavily involved with Pick Up Groups, which does tend to be the very opposite of the very things you're claiming, mostly celebrating their masculinity by picking up barflies and club chicks. Unless you're talking about the extreme fringes of that scene, where things start getting a little, for lack of a better word, rapey (which Rogers wasn't involved in), they're a pretty harmless bunch.
    Pick-up Artists, actually, Renz. "Pick-up group" has to do with video games.

    Unsurprisingly, Tony does frequent the RooshV forum, which is a forum founded by a PUA, for PUAs. If you want to get a good look at what the opposite end of the spectrum looks like in gender politics, go read some of the posts on that forum. They'll curl your nose hairs.

  11. #136
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    Really, I think of that whole scene as a bunch of douchy guys trying their damnedest to be as douchy as possible so they can pick up equally douchy women who love that douchy crap. They end up producing children who can crush beer cans on their foreheads at the age of 3.

    I think of the opposite end of the social spectrum as being better represented by the Red Pill bunch.

    Oh, and I'm pretty sure Mayonnaise101 might be Tony.

    edit: RooseV would fall on in that more abjectly "rapey" end of the PUA scene I mentioned above. I don't consider them representative of them all.
    Last edited by Renzatic; 23rd Jul 2017 at 20:02.

  12. #137
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    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    The problem isn't change itself, it's corruptive change.
    Meaning change you don't like.

    Time Lords are "extraterrestrial". They predate humans but appear humanoid even though they are (according to incorruptible cannon) NOT human. Presumably a near immortal creature with access to time travel and bio-morphing technologies (allowing it to reduce it's normal compliment of hearts from TWO to ONE), would have little difficulty selecting between genders in its target species, unless you have some "clear, logical points" or citations from incorruptible cannon to rule out this possibility.

    The Doctor is a fugitive and, like all Time Lords, is able to conceal his identity by taking human form. Switching to a female sounds like a good tactic to throw off the chase.

    The question isn't why is this being done now but why wasn't it done sooner, baring "clear, logical points" or incorruptible cannon to the contrary.
    Last edited by Nicker; 23rd Jul 2017 at 20:26.

  13. #138
    It wasn't done sooner because back then, gender-swapping male characters into female ones wasn't considered necessary to advance feminism.

    I still think there's a right way and a wrong way to do this (you need to be logged into Facebook to see this picture):

  14. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Just saw this. It's, once again, another massive misrepresentation by Mr. Tony Tarantula.

    Elliot Rogers was never shamed about being "male", or "masculine", or whatever other victimization tripe you want to toss up. He was heavily involved with Pick Up Groups, which does tend to be the very opposite of the very things you're claiming, mostly celebrating their masculinity by picking up barflies and club chicks. Unless you're talking about the extreme fringes of that scene, where things start getting a little, for lack of a better word, rapey (which Rogers wasn't involved in), they're a pretty harmless bunch.

    But it wasn't the PUG scene that lead to his eventual violent outburst. If anything, some of the people there tried steering him in the right direction. It's that he was a creepy little goon with more than his fair share of mental and emotional issues, took the fact that no one wanted to touch him with a 10 foot pole as being a problem endemic with women rather than himself, blamed them for all his ills and failings, and took things to their illogical conclusion.

    The fact you're using Rogers as a victim of feminism shows that, well, YOU'VE GOT A BIG AGENDA, TONY! CONFIRMATION BIAS! COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!

    You seem to be laboring under the rather bizarre misconception that PIck Up Groups are somehow "masculine".

    I regard the entire industry as a scam. It's a scam that exists precisely because it appeals to males who lack any kind of masculine characteristics about themselves, and (consistent with my characterization of them) has that appeal because it entices the idea that you can be successful by using parlor tricks that completely lack any aspect of self improvement


    And again there was no attempt to use him as a "victim of feminism". I think we CAN all agree that he was fairly representitive of the type of person that goes off on a mass killing. They're typically effeminite mannered, sexually frustrated white males.

    Point is that we have a society that produces an enormous number of "males" who have very few masculine characteristics about them and a complete lack of social skills. Those two result in an enormous amount of pent up frustration at society and when you have that much pent up frustration you start looking for someone to blame. For a lot of guys they just end up blaming "women" and hating women because that's the most immediate source of their frustration and the social abuse they receive.


    Unsurprisingly, Tony does frequent the RooshV forum, which is a forum founded by a PUA, for PUAs. If you want to get a good look at what the opposite end of the spectrum looks like in gender politics, go read some of the posts on that forum. They'll curl your nose hairs.
    And if you look at my account, you'll know that I tend to butt heads with people who have more reductionist/PUA type views on the whole thing. I actually got banned from the website's section under another username because I pointed out that Pickup Artist type bullshit actually made things WORSE for people like Rogers, and that it has that effect because it doesn't teach them how to improve on the character defects that made them unsuccessful with women in the first place.

    Rather remarkably, those guys are MUCH more able to engage in a respectful and sensible dialogue than are most of TTLG's progressive posters.




    Still...rhetorical question here. In these "fandom" communities you're dealing primarily with nerds. Most of these nerds entire experiences with women who aren't their mothers consist of being rejected, being mocked by them, and being used for gain.

    I dunno.....I can't POSSIBLY see how that would lead to people developing a misogynistic attitude.




    Point is that the societal problems we have are much deeper than the "feminism", "misogony" and "male privilege" shit that stupid people love to get worked up about.

  15. #140
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    It wasn't done sooner because back then, gender-swapping male characters into female ones wasn't considered necessary to advance feminism.
    Really? How do you know this? Maybe it was because they feared blow-back from their perceived androcentric fan base. That's a speculation, of course, as is your assertion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    I still think there's a right way and a wrong way to do this
    Category error. You are comparing copy cat characters, with no innate ability or need to gender swap, with a trans-species character who has both the capability and arguably the need to swap genders.

    A gender flipping Dr. Who is not cannon corrupting, it is entirely within the scope of the character.

  16. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post

    [citation and/or sanity needed]


    There used to be many contenders for the crown of as much condensed stupidity as is possible in a single post, but most of them have been wiped out in the seething, lunatic froth of the Tony_Tarantula tidal wave.

    Also, 'misogony' sounds like a portion of Japanese repast that has a tendency to spontaneously vanish.

  17. #142
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    I want to know Tony's definition of masculine, what he considers "effeminate characteristics".

    ...and I'll probably regret asking it.

    In these "fandom" communities you're dealing primarily with nerds. Most of these nerds entire experiences with women who aren't their mothers consist of being rejected, being mocked by them, and being used for gain.

    I dunno.....I can't POSSIBLY see how that would lead to people developing a misogynistic attitude.
    It's simple. Some people are assholes. It's a universal truth among all peoples of the world, regardless of race, color, creed, gender, or nationality.

    Some people have bad experience with these assholes. It's bound to happen at some point or another.

    The problem is when people run into the assholes, and assume EVERYONE of that particular race, color, creed or gender must all be the same that's the problem. Just because a few socially awkward guys had a run of bad luck with a few self serving stuck up ladies at the club doesn't mean you can say "well geez, no wonder some men go misogynist." They're all dealing with shit people do, have done since 6000BC, and will continue to do in the foreseeable future. Why? Because some people are assholes, regardless of race, color, creed, gender, or nationality.

    Everyone here has had someone do something shitty to them. I have. You have, I'm sure. The same could be said of anyone else who posts here. The only difference between I, they, and you is that they're not making it into a goddamn sociopolitical issue.

  18. #143
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    " definition of masculine, what he considers "effeminate characteristics"."
    ANY one who shoots plastic guns (glock S& W) or calibers below .45 or compound bows would be considered effeminate, 95% of CA "males" also fit, use a fidget spinner? yeap, "man bun"? you bet , have a beard but can't change a tire? yes. no worries, I am also a misogynist

    no worries ladies, you can also hit back

  19. #144
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    What's wrong with fidget spinners?

  20. #145
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    REPLACE "F" with "M" .........


    anyways

    or course women have their own.

  21. #146
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    I think we CAN all agree that he was fairly representitive of the type of person that goes off on a mass killing. They're typically effeminite mannered, sexually frustrated white males.

    Point is that we have a society that produces an enormous number of "males" who have very few masculine characteristics about them and a complete lack of social skills. Those two result in an enormous amount of pent up frustration at society and when you have that much pent up frustration you start looking for someone to blame. For a lot of guys they just end up blaming "women" and hating women because that's the most immediate source of their frustration and the social abuse they receive.
    Tony, I'm considering taking a stance that any extraordinary claim made in any political post has to be backed up with some pretty solid evidence to validate your assertions.

    Your claim above that most mass murderers are effeminate half-men striking out due to sexual frustration? You're gonna have to back that up.

  22. #147
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    Elliot Rodgers (frustated effeminate), Orlnado shooter was a repressed homosexual
    Jared Loughner ,columbine shooters, Tennessee shooters all less than 1/2 men

  23. #148
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    About the only one you're likely right about is the Orlando shooter. Jared Loughner was just flat out crazy, and the Tennessee shooter was an indoctrinated extremist.

  24. #149
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    ‘Yeah I did it’: Singer Lana Del Rey admits using witchcraft to place a hex on President Trump
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/yeah...pWU84.facebook
    a woman using witchcraft.................say it ain't so..........



  25. #150
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    See? That's why he's been having such a hard time recently.

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