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  1. #226
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    To be fair to Trump, the Secret Service hasn't maxed itself out due to Trump's love of taking extra amounts of vacations. The Secret Service has been working under a far too tight budget for nearly two decades now. Trump's larger than usual presidential family, which they're legally obligated to protect, has only served to strain the already strained organization that much more.

  2. #227
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    Registered: Feb 2002
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    Well there you go. Trumps larger family and entourage. The overtime is killing them too. If he insists on jet setting then he needs to pay for it like he said he would. But then, he said he would spend all his time working for the people at the white house. Right. How about all those lobbyists he was going to kick out while he's at it?

  3. #228
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    Location: The Land of Make Believe
    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher View Post
    Some say the two nations are still at war, more than two centuries later, over the proper spelling of the word "aluminum."
    Everyone knows there's no i before the u. Just like in sodum, potassum and calcum.

  4. #229
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    Location: Switzerland
    Sodum indeed.

  5. #230
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    Location: Chicago, IL
    Isn't it funny how the "Russian Hacking" narrative just dropped off the radar lately? It must be because new evidence shows it never happened: https://www.thenation.com/article/a-...ears-dnc-hack/

    The key portion of the piece:
    There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.

    But hey, read and decide for yourselves. Trump's enemies are just throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Once the "Nazi Sympathizer" narrative also fails, they will simply move on to something else that they will tell you to be "gravely concerned" about.

  6. #231
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Chicago, IL
    You think he's mentally unfit because the media is telling you so. The same media that lied about the Russian hacking story. Maybe you should sit back and think about that a little.

  7. #232
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    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    All anyone had to do was watch that rambling, weird speech he made in Arizona last night to come to that conclusion.

  8. #233
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    Also Thor... are you okay?
    I don't think I am, JEAKJEKAUEAKUEJKA! Thanks for asking.

  9. #234
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    HE'S GONE SWEDISH! RUN!

    SPARVAGNSHALLPLATSEN! JEAKJEKAUEAKUEJKA!

  10. #235
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    You think he's mentally unfit because the media is telling you so. The same media that lied about the Russian hacking story. Maybe you should sit back and think about that a little.
    Yet you are now trusting "the same media that lied about the Russian hacking story". Maybe you should sit back and think about that a little.

  11. #236
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Chicago, IL
    The truth is coming out months later, now that the Left has dropped the fake Russian hacking story. I'm a bit inclined to trust The Nation when it's an "admission against interest."

  12. #237
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    Registered: May 2004
    A bit inclined? You practically jumped on it. And it's all based on an anonymous source and the "hard evidence" basically consists of the claim that the data was downloaded at a speed that private citizens don't usually have access to.

  13. #238
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Chicago, IL
    As I said, read for yourself and decide. This theory certainly fits Occam's Razor though.

  14. #239
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    It's amazing. You run around here calling people easily lead, yet the only people who consistently insist that the Russian hack is a "fake story by the left" are the hardcore alt-right Trumpites, spurred on by Trump himself, who doesn't want to admit to it, because it makes him look bad.

    The Sanction bill passed through the House and Senate nigh unanimously, with only 5 total votes in the entire branch standing against it. In the senate, only Rand Paul on the R side, and Bernie Sanders on the D's voted against it. And they didn't vote against it because they believed it was fake, but because they though we should take a different tact.

    Do you really believe what we're seeing here is Righteous Real American Donald Trump taking his lonely stand against the alleged corruption of the entire US government? If you do, well, I'm not so sure we're the only ones being swayed by propaganda here.

    And you can't use Occams Razor to justify your own beliefs, especially when both sides of the edge are equally outlandish. That the Democrats faked the hack to bolster support for a war against Russia, or that the Russians interfered in our election to help put an idiot in office in order to keep us distracted from their actions in Eastern Europe? These are both extreme conclusions that can't be razored down so easily.

  15. #240
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Chicago, IL
    The Democrats didn't fake a hack. Someone did steal their files. However, we now know it was an inside job using a USB drive. They ran with the Russian thing so they could say it wasn't a "real election."

    The DNC still has not given the FBI access to the "hacked" server. It's still in their basement, so no one can confirm what really happened. What are they hiding?

  16. #241
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    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    The DNC has never once officially stated that Trump's presidency is illegitimate. Hell, there are people in Trump's own cabinet who have taken a hardline stance against the Russians on the issue. Hayley, Mattis, Tillerson. People hand picked by Trump himself who are taking a strongly opposing stance on the issue.

    Plus, the Russian hack consisted of multiple hacked servers from multiple vectors. That one alleged server setting in the basement is an idiot talking point espoused by people on Facebook trying to desperately Goldmoon Dawn delegitimize an investigation they obviously know nothing about.

    On top of that, if this were a lame attempt for the Democrats to save face, why would the Republicans side so strongly with them to the point that a normally consistently divided congress voted together 530 to 5 across the aisle in both the House and Senate?
    Last edited by Renzatic; 23rd Aug 2017 at 17:26.

  17. #242
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    As for the article you posted, it's pretty good, but I do take exception to one thing. I'll copy/paste a reply I made elsewhere here...

    A 22.7 meg a second down would require an 180 megabit down/up connection, which, while not necessarily widespread, is far from uncommon. In my little tiny town, I've had access to gigabit internet since 2013, and currently have a 250 megabit connection now. A hacker could very easily access data that fast in 2016. You could maintain that speed even while going through a various number of proxies, provided they're high end ones. Which, if it was ordered at the behest of the Russian government, could be provided to them.

    ...the better way to disprove the notion it was a hack using the data provided would be to look at the connection speed of the host computer. Considering Podesta and co. are government employees working in the heart of DC, it's wouldn't be unlikely for them to have a connection that fast, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility. It's certainly better than saying "no regular person could download at 22 meg a second in mid 2016", because a lot of regular people can and do.

    Plus, 22 meg a second is fairly slow for a direct file transfer from a host computer to a flash drive. My little dinky 64GB USB 3.0 thumbdrive I paid $15 for can write data at 80MBps. Though in regards to the hack, all that depends on the age of the host computer, and the equipment the hacker was using. 22MBps on an older computer with to a USB 2.0 thumb drive is about average, especially if you're writing tons upon tons of smaller files.

    Now maintaining a connection that fast across the ocean and continental Europe would be a bit more difficult to do, but it's still far from impossible. It all comes down to the upload rate being a little on the fast side for a remote connection, a little on the slow side for a direct connection. Things are more likely to lean towards the USB connection, but as proof, it's still pretty inconclusive.

  18. #243
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    Registered: Aug 2008
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    HE'S GONE SWEDISH! RUN!

    SPARVAGNSHALLPLATSEN! JEAKJEKAUEAKUEJKA!
    Oh, no, my friend Renz. I would never become nihilistic enough to not want children of my own. Maybe only enough to wish I was never born.

  19. #244
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Vertigo, DragonSand, Xeen
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    an idiot talking point espoused by people on Facebook trying to desperately to delegitimize an investigation they obviously know nothing about.
    a.) an idiot talking point espoused by people on Facebook trying too desperately to delegitimize an investigation they obviously know nothing about.

    b.) an idiot talking point espoused by people on Facebook trying desperately to delegitimize an investigation they obviously know nothing about.

    It matters, and dont blame spellcheck!

    ???

  20. #245
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    Registered: Aug 2008
    Location: in your second eyelids
    speaking of fecesbook, anyone that uses it on a daily or bi-daily basis is not to be taken seriously by any measure of, well, anything.

  21. #246
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldmoon Dawn View Post
    It matters, and dont blame spellcheck!

    ???
    Fixed.

  22. #247
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    Registered: Sep 2002
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    SPÅRVAGNSHÅLLPLATSEN!
    Learn to write a fucking Å ålready

    It's Alt+143 on the numpad for Å and Alt+134 for å, you know. Sheesh.

  23. #248
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    OH NO! MORE SWEDES!

  24. #249
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    Registered: Sep 2001
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    The Nation has been sympathetic to Russia since forever. And the editor, Katrina vanden Heuvel, is the wife of Stephen F. Cohen, who is Russia's #1 propagandist in the US. So on Russia issues, The Nation is basically like a print version of rt.com

    Sometimes I watch RT. It's interesting to get a Russian perspective on some things. But there can be a lot of propaganda to weed through.

  25. #250
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldmoon Dawn View Post
    a.) an idiot talking point espoused by people on Facebook trying too desperately to delegitimize an investigation they obviously know nothing about.

    b.) an idiot talking point espoused by people on Facebook trying desperately to delegitimize an investigation they obviously know nothing about.

    It matters, and dont blame spellcheck!

    ???
    Okay, first off, LOL the fix Renz did. But, also, it should be "don't" blame spellcheck! If you are going to be pedantic then you have to first be perfect yourself.

    As for old liberal Smithers would have gotten away with it too if not for you meddling republicans, I'm perfectly happy to await the results of the FBI investigation. We don't have to have another Reality Winner go to jail just so we can know the Russians did hack information on voting machines. Let conservatives whine about how things are not conclusive with their information which is also not conclusive. I'm happy with the truth no matter how it comes out. It is just important that it is investigated when it concerns a foreign power. It would be nice if Julian Asslozenge somehow managed to get a punch in the jaw out of the deal but you can't have everything.

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