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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    I'm not the one that has to keep making excuses for religious fanatics who bomb little girls in concerts and drive trucks through crowds. I'm not the one telling an actual Spaniard that he needs to just get used to islam re-conquering his land, because of all that wonderful 15th-century art.
    What you're doing is like looking at what happened in Charlottesville, and going "I think this is proof that all these Southern Baptist Republicans are gonna be the death of us all." It's stupid.

    I'm not defending ISIS. Not really even defending Islam. I'm protesting you stereotyping a billion people, and painting a complex situation with far too broad a brush.

  2. #27
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    Oh, was the guy driving the car a Southern Baptist Republican? Even if so, one mentally ill person who may have been running scared from a mob of "antifa" does not stack up to the thousands upon thousands of Jihad victims over the years.

    Muslims are happily slaughtering their way across all of western civilization...after a certain number of bodies piles up, it's no longer a stereotype but the description of a suspect.

    The situation is not really all that complex. Either Spain belongs to the Spanish, or it belongs to Islam. Whichever side ends up applying the most violence to their enemies will claim it. I guess we'll see. Same goes for England, France, Sweden, etc etc.

  3. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    Muslims are happily slaughtering their way across all of western civilization...after a certain number of bodies piles up, it's no longer a stereotype but the description of a suspect.
    Well, yeah. ISIS and ISIS supporters are assholes of the worst sort, and it's pretty damn obvious they represent a pretty major issue that desperately needs dealing with.

    But they're not ALL of Islam, no matter how hard you try to spin it to seem as such.

    Oh, was the guy driving the car a Southern Baptist Republican? Even if so, one mentally ill person who may have been running scared from a mob of "antifa" does not stack up to the thousands upon thousands of Jihad victims over the years.
    You actually believe that? The video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he wasn't running from anything. You can clearly see that the roads behind him were perfectly clear, yet he decided to get away from it all by driving down a long hill towards a crowd of people off a major thoroughfare.

    ...though you could just be trolling us. Damn Poe's Law.

  4. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    What you're doing is like looking at what happened in Charlottesville, and going "I think this is proof that all these Southern Baptist Republicans are gonna be the death of us all." It's stupid.

    I'm not defending ISIS. Not really even defending Islam. I'm protesting you stereotyping a billion people, and painting a complex situation with far too broad a brush.
    That argument's already been made, I remember making it. He doesn't give a shit that extremism is the lowest of low-hanging fruit to skewer an entire population with (or even his own) because he's too busy gibbering at foreign demons coming to get him in the night. Whether they're yelling Allahu Akbar or L’Shanah Tovah U’Metukah or Yakitôri Hitotsu Kudasai is completely besides the point.

  5. #30
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    As long as they're not Hello Kitty fans...

  6. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    Muslims are happily slaughtering their way across all of western civilization...after a certain number of bodies piles up, it's no longer a stereotype but the description of a suspect.
    A very small radical group of muslims is doing the terror acts. The vast vast majority of muslims are just ordinary people who want to live their lives in peace. And muslims are not the only ones committing acts of terrorism. Should we start locking up white nationalists because of people like the Charlottesville driver or the Quebec City shooter or Breivik, as "after a certain number of bodies piles up, it's no longer a stereotype but the description of a suspect"?


    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    The situation is not really all that complex. Either Spain belongs to the Spanish, or it belongs to Islam. Whichever side ends up applying the most violence to their enemies will claim it. I guess we'll see. Same goes for England, France, Sweden, etc etc.
    O sancta simplicitas!

  7. #32
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    In case anyone hasn't heard the news, the Myanmar military is conducting a "clearance" operation of the Muslim population of Rakhine state as we speak. There is a terrorist group that just hit some police stations, so conducting an operation to detain or kill them isn't a problem. The problem is the military is torching entire villages, locking families inside homes and torching them inside, tying people to trees and burning them, the rapes go without saying, shooting at people crossing the river into Bangladesh, there are women and children coming into Bangladesh with bullet wounds, they're now laying down landmines across the whole Bangladesh border, and I haven't even gotten to the "sensational" Nazi-level perversions... Some "anti-terrorist" operation.

    They're also massacring villages in Kachin state. Hell, the Myanmar military attacks Arakans who are the sworn enemies of the Rohingya getting massacred now with Arakan support. You'd think they'd see a common enemy. But something magic happens when you strip the citizenship from a people. Suddenly they're a cancer you have to eradicate. Trump is doing it now by stripping the citizenship of people entering the US when they were infants, who have never known any other country than the US. Why people think that stupid piece of paper makes people either human and "one of us" or ungodly monsters--no matter if they lived their whole life as your neighbor, went to the same school as you, basically lived exactly the same life you did--is something that doesn't jive with me. Monsters are people that think somebody's humanity turns on what stamp they have on their piece of paper and they're justified to treat them mercilessly as savages to be expelled, no matter if even their greatgrandparents were born in the country. =L
    Last edited by demagogue; 6th Sep 2017 at 23:03.

  8. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Well, yeah. ISIS and ISIS supporters are assholes of the worst sort, and it's pretty damn obvious they represent a pretty major issue that desperately needs dealing with.

    But they're not ALL of Islam, no matter how hard you try to spin it to seem as such.



    You actually believe that? The video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he wasn't running from anything. You can clearly see that the roads behind him were perfectly clear, yet he decided to get away from it all by driving down a long hill towards a crowd of people off a major thoroughfare.

    ...though you could just be trolling us. Damn Poe's Law.
    WHY ARE YOU DEBATING A SELF-PROCLAIMED NAZI INSTEAD OF JUST BANNING HIM.

    FUCK'S SAKE I WOULD'VE THOUGHT "WE DON'T TOLERATE NAZIS" WAS A BASIC THING AT TTLG.

  9. #34
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    Well, Renz seems to think you can debate with crazy, but that's partly our fault too because we've been putting up with it for too long. You have my vote to end this stupidity.

  10. #35
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    Fafhrd and Sulphur seconded. I kinda admire Renz for his idealism, but I also think this has gone on long enough and is just going round and round and round ad nauseam.

  11. #36
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    Y'know, I'm glad we have different political opinions here on TTLG. It often feels dangerously close to becoming a liberal echo chamber, which is probably why we're lenient if someone on the other side of the political divide starts going to extremes, but stuff like this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Krush View Post
    Oh, was the guy driving the car a Southern Baptist Republican? Even if so, one mentally ill person who may have been running scared from a mob of "antifa" does not stack up to the thousands upon thousands of Jihad victims over the years.

    Muslims are happily slaughtering their way across all of western civilization...after a certain number of bodies piles up, it's no longer a stereotype but the description of a suspect.
    Krush bending himself out of shape to explain away violence on the white Republican side, and in the next sentence painting all muslims as terrorists? It's pretty inexcusable.

    Faf, calm down tho. Renz doesn't have to be a moderator, but he accepted the position because he cares about the community. It's not a fun job, there's no money in it, and it doesn't get improved by angry backseat-moderators. If you're gonna give feedback, do so in a civil manner.

  12. #37
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    Location: Chicago, IL
    Actually I've never been a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.


    Fine, you want the echo chamber, I'll spare your precious wittle feewings and only ask questions about how to get through FMs in the Thief forums....
    Last edited by Krush; 7th Sep 2017 at 09:38.

  13. #38
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    You can continue blabbering on about the Nazis being socialist to pretend you aren't one, doesn't make it so. This is not a matter of opinion or interpretation, this is a fact.

    You keep on tilting at windmills.

  14. #39
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    Calling somebody a Nazi is the fastest way to discredit any point you're trying to make in a discussion. Something I learned from early 90s Usenet.

  15. #40
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    Location: Ferrol - Spain
    Let´s get down to it:

    Snipers in Beltway were muslims.

    Fort Hood: muslim.
    U.S.S. Cole muslims.
    Nightclub in Bali muslims.
    London subway muslims.
    Moscow Theater muslims.
    Boston marathon muslims.
    Pan-Am muslims.
    Air France hijackers - Entebbe muslims.
    USA embassy in Iran, muslims.
    USA embassy in Beirut, muslims.
    USA embassy in Jamahiriya by muslims.
    Suicide attack in Buenos Aires, muslims.
    Munich Olympic games 1972, muslims.
    USA embassy in Kenia, muslims.
    Khobar Towers, muslims.
    Marines barracks in Beirut, muslims.
    School in Besian, muslims.
    World Trade Center, muslims.
    Mumbai in India, muslims.

    Madrid train attacks March 2004, (200 killed - 1200 injured) muslims.

    Achille Lauro, muslims.
    Kasher market in París, muslims.
    Charlie Hebdo in París, muslims, etc.

    To a great extent:
    Budistas-hindúes = No Problem.
    Hindúes-cristianos = No Problem.
    Hindúes-jewish = No Problem.
    Cristianos-sintoístas = No Problem.
    Sintoístas-confucianos = No Problem.
    Confucianos-bahá'ís = No Problem.
    Bahá'ís-jewish = No Problem.
    Jewish-atheists = No Problem.
    Atheists-budistas = No Problem.
    Hindúes-bahá'ís = No Problem.
    Bahá'ís-cristianos = No Problem.
    Cristianos-jewish = No Problem.
    Jewish-budistas = No Problem, etc

    Sijs-hindúes - Tension and violence still nowadays.

    And

    Muslims living with hindúes = Problem.
    Muslims living with budistas = Problem.
    Muslims living with cristianos = Problem.
    Muslims living with jewish = Problem.
    Muslims with sijs = Problem.
    Muslims with bahá'ís = Problem.
    Muslims with sintoístas = Problem.
    Muslims with atheists = Problem.

    Muslims living with muslims = Big problem.

    Muslims:

    Not happy in Gaza.
    Not happy in Palestine.
    Not happy in Egypt.
    Not happy in Libia.
    Not happy in Morrocco.
    Not happy in Iran.
    Not happy in Irak.
    Not happy in Yemen.
    Not happy in Afganistan.
    Not happy in Pakistan.
    Not happy in Siria.
    Not happy in Lebanon.
    Not happy in Nigeria.
    Not happy in Sudan.
    Not happy in Kenya.

    But, ¿where are they happy?

    They are happy in Australia.
    They are happy in UK.
    They are happy in Belgium.
    They are happy in France.
    They are happy in Italy.
    They are happy in Spain.
    They are happy in Germany.
    They are happy in Sweden.
    They are happy in Canada.
    They are happy in Norway.
    They are happy in Italy, etc
    They are happy in non-islamic countries!

    And, who are the culprits?

    Not Islam.
    Not their leaders.
    Not themselves.
    The culprits are the countries where they live happily.
    And they want to change those countries to be one day like those they emigrated from.

    ¿What are their most important organizations?

    Yihad Islámica: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    ISIS: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Al-Qaeda: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Talibán: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Hamas: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Hezbollah: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Boko Haram: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Al-Nusra: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Abu Sayyaf: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Al-Badr: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Lashkar-e-Taiba: ORGANIZACIÓN islamico terrorism.
    Ansaru: ORGANIZACIÓN islamico terrorism.
    Jemaah Islamiyah: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism.
    Abdullah Azzam Brigades: ORGANIZACION islamic terrorism.
    Nassr Al Din Al Khazzam Brigades: ORGANIZACIÓN islamic terrorism, etc.

    How can we solve this???... with education, but they reject i!!... Integration, they don´t like it...

    Reciprocity? They say no! Build us mosques and other places to pray (1300 in Spain) but don´t build a church in our countries, you pagans.
    And don't you ever talk to a woman without my consent.
    You know what, fuck off and go back to your countries.
    From Afganistan to Sweden: spot-on.

  16. #41
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    Man I'm so psyched up about that Death's Cold Embrace FM coming out soon aren't you?

  17. #42
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    Cool cherry-picking there, basso. I'm sure all of us get it; but if you want to actually play the game, now compare those to the total amount of terrorist attacks by every other group across all those world locations across the same time period.

    If that's too much work for you, too bad. But you really should, you know, start from somewhere where the stats don't make people go ¿Qué?.

    If you can't do that, do the general public the courtesy of screwing off and never coming back.

    Also, open question: do we really need this shit in CommChat?

  18. #43
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    Okay, first off, people. This is a political thread concerning a heated political topic. Some people will have their shitty opinions, sure, but this is the place to air them. If someone says something that offends your sensibilities, you can call them assholes, and argue a counterpoint, you can laugh at them and call them stupid, or you can ignore them. Provided that they keep these opinions confined to their proper places, I see no reason to act against them.

    Now there are some things I won't tolerate. People being openly racist against individual members here, and/or happily endorsing hate or terrorist groups will be nixed pretty quicklike. Also, people who are just slackjaw fuckwit nutty, constantly posting the most insane conspiracy theories with no factual basis tend to irk my ire. If you run around calling people racial slurs, or don't cite your sources (or don't read them fully before posting them), I'll time them out without a second thought.

    Right now Krush and Bassolferol are toeing that fine line. There's no denying the fact that we've seen a rise in Islamic terror since 2001, committed by some pretty shitty people, but to use these actions as proof that the problem are Muslim people as a whole, and WE MUST RID OURSELVES OF THEM NOW is a step beyond any usual observation, and could very easily be construed as some random racist screed. The only reason I let them jump off into their flights of terrible fancy is because we don't have any Muslim members here (that I know of), and they're countered pretty quicklike.

    As for the list above, collecting a list like that, and posting it for all the world to see would make anyone look bad. Yeah, there are a lot of terrorist groups out there, and some people have done some shitty thing. Where it fails is that you can't use it as proof against Islam as a whole. You're always going to have shitty people doing shitty things, no matter what race, religion, or demographic. You could easily make a list that long of white supremacist groups or Christian extremists who have acted over the years, and it won't prove anything against white people or Christianity as a whole. It's a common tactic, used to indict billions of people by showing us the actions of the relative extremist few. Everything looks scary on a big list like that.

    ...but instead, you all ignore the fact that we've had Muslims in this country for decades, centuries, and got no more static out of them than any other crazed idiot groups on the streets.

  19. #44
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    This is the second time already that people (first Starker, now Sulphur) try to derail the thread conversation by posting what happens in America. Stop it. It is not relevant/an incredible weak argument because
    1. a European country is under discussion
    2. terrorism is a predominantly perpetrated by Muslims globally, in Europe, in Africa, in Asia

  20. #45
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    Let me correct you there:

    1. It was a European country under discussion; it's now a free-for-all because that's the flavour of the day thanks to Krush et al.
    2. Terrorism is predominantly perpetrated globally by terrorists; some of whom may be Muslims.

    I suppose it must not be fun for you folks living in countries where the minority's out to oppress you/eat your babies. Fun fact: I live in Asia. I live in a country with millions of Muslims, they're at the office, they're on our streets, they're *gasp* living next to us. We've been nearly at war with Pakistan for over half a century.

    And yet, the vast majority of us in the mainland found a way to coexist. It's almost as if extremists tend to be a minority in any population, and over here, Muslims are a minority to begin with. How weird is that?

    Renzatic: um, no, those aren't toeing any fine lines. They've been crossed.
    Last edited by Sulphur; 7th Sep 2017 at 14:00.

  21. #46
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    Specifically, most terror is perpetrated by Wahhabist Sunnis, who go around attacking everyone who isn't them. Their prolithicness is partially our fault, because we took what should've been a regional group of crazies in a backwater country, and pumped them up with billions of dollars, and tons of weaponry to bolster our own interests in a region we shouldn't even be involved with.

  22. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulphur View Post
    Renzatic: um, no, those aren't toeing any fine lines. They've been crossed.
    There's also the fact that, like Henke said, I'm rather worried about the site becoming a left-leaning echo chamber.

    We need better quality right-leaning posters.

  23. #48
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    Since when has being racist been a matter of how bad your posture is?

  24. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    We need better quality right-leaning posters.

  25. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulphur View Post
    Since when has being racist been a matter of how bad your posture is?
    Racists do tend to have excellent poster, weirdly enough. You know, cuz all that goosestepping.

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