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Thread: My hard hitting, super detailed super in depth thoughts on Star Trek: Discovery

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    My hard hitting, super detailed super in depth thoughts on Star Trek: Discovery



    But for realsies, I didn't think it was bad, but it didn't really leave an impact on me. There were moments and things I liked and while there was nothing I outright hated, nothing went beyond "Yeah that was pretty neat". That being said, I'm really not a fan of the new look for the Klingons. I'm not against giving them a new look but they just don't look like Klingons to me.

    I am going to give this show a fair chance, though, since after all it took Star Trek: The Next Generation quite a while to get genuinely good.

    Still, these first two episodes were just kind of duds to me.

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    My dad’s PVR didn’t catch the second episode, but based on the first I pretty much agree with everything you said. As a die-hard ST fan I can live with all of the modernizations, but the story did feel like it took a backseat to the special effects. I’m willing to give them a chance to develop it, though, and understand that the pilot has to be visually exciting to hook people in.

    My biggest complaint was that the score felt overly dramatic and it basically never let up, which contrasted strongly with ST’s typical slower, more atmospheric soundtrack. Hopefully they calm it down in future episodes.

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    I liked it alright. Yeah, it was more spectacle than cerebral, but it's a pilot coming out in an era where great shows on TV are the norm, rather than the exception. It had to do something grand enough to draw people in, while still maintaining the notion that there's still plenty of room for old Trek to flourish in its new mold. I think they succeeded on that front.

    As for the Klingons, I think the biggest problem is that all those cosmetic effects are obviously making it difficult for some of the actors to emote properly. The ones who didn't have quite as much on their faces tended to act better, likely because they weren't talking through 10 pounds of teeth and lip enhancements.

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    Can we get a picture of the Klingons or do I have to see the series myself to believe it?

    //you got to be kidding me
    //What is this? Black face in space?
    Last edited by Kolya; 25th Sep 2017 at 17:23.

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    I have to say, whoever had the bright idea to call the new series STD didn't really think it through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolya View Post
    Can we get a picture of the Klingons or do I have to see the series myself to believe it?

    //you got to be kidding me
    //What is this? Black face in space?
    Yeah I'm really not a big fan. They just don't look like Klingons to me.

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    The Klingons have always been blackface in space (Worf excepted).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    I have to say, whoever had the bright idea to call the new series STD didn't really think it through.
    Just think of it as the series that keeps on giving.

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    I'm Klingon'ed out. The Klingons were the least imaginative, most overly stereotyped, shallowest, and least interesting of all the major races portrayed in the franchise. I don't need more.

  10. #10
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    Ok, let's talk about the real problem with Star Trek Discovery's first episode. Michelle Yeoh didn't do any kung fu! >:|

    That aside tho, not bad.

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    Maybe they thought that would be too cheesy, although I have always found Star Trek fight scenes a bit unexciting and why wouldn't they use some kung fu?

    The only reason I'm considering watching it is to see her as a starship captain.

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    Watching the Klingon actors act made me think of Louis Gosset Jr. in Enemy Mine. Not that the new Klingons look much like the Drak, but something about their performances reminded me of his. Which might do him little justice, because his performance in that movie was legendary.

    I'm worried about the JJ influence, which of course we all knew was there. Star Trek needed to be taken out of the 60s and 90s and into this century, but a heavy hand is just going to dilute what made it special, despite it's flaws over the decades. I watched all 7 seasons of Voyager this year on netflix because when I was a kid the episodes never played in order on peasant TV. I'm happy I got the whole story, and I'm a huge trekkie (I find the need to call my self a trekker because some people are butthurt about the term "trekkie" super annoying, so I'll use what I consider to be the proper term), but the flaws are glaring now that I'm no longer an adoslecent (most of the time).

    I'm watching DS9 now in between binges of the X files and Hannibal (which was also produced by Bryan Fuller, so there should be some interesting stylistic choices, especially if we get any Hannibal the Space Cannibal episodes), and even in the first season I am finding an appreciation of just how different and interesting DS9 was that I didn't understand as a kid.

    Here's hoping they lighten up on the spectacle a bit. Show us some good Star Trek, and don't be afraid to have fun with it and be goofy at times. Because Hannibal is awesome, but fuck is it bleak. True to form, sure, but hopefull we don't just get a cross between that and the JJ movies in every episode.

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    I think DS9 aged better than Voyager. I watched DS9 here and there when it was running but it didn't connect with me enough to become a loyal, regular viewer. But I've since watched a few mini-binges of DS9 and I like it better now. In contrast, I started out as a regular watcher of Voyager but can't watch it now. Part of it is that DS9 is not trying to do the same old star ship planet hopping thing like every other Star Trek series. But I also like the characters better. I never really warmed up to the Voyager crew. And DS9 was more grounded while the Voyager plots seemed to get more fancifully stupid over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aja View Post
    My dad’s PVR didn’t catch the second episode,
    Probably because the second episode was only on CBS's streaming service.

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    OK, I’ve seen the first two episodes (both were on Netflix and appear to continue to be that way in the UK at least). Overall – enjoyable but far too early to tell if it’s going to work long term.

    I’m really glad I’m not in the position of having to write a series with a history as well established and loved (to varying degrees) as Star Trek. In the past it’s had the luxury of allowing the writers and actors to develop the characters to the point where they felt like familiar characters and there was continuity between episodes even if there weren’t overall plot arcs.

    I can get engaged in a series if I can get behind and root for the characters. On that aspect I’m struggling with this show. The series lead (Michael) is probably the most developed so far but at the expense of the others on the ship. So far the episodes seem to go out of their way to separate this character from the others both in terms of abilities and connections. Without adding spoilers she has an option to solve a problem in the first episode but rather than share it with her captain up-front she explicitly excludes her from any discussions. It jarred both from a practical point of view and a missed opportunity for seeing a crew work together even if the end result of the problem would be the same.

    Having said that, most series take a while to develop and get a rhythm. There are some oddball ones that do that quickly (Firefly) but they’re far and few between. This has weaknesses – the Klingons now have almost more repeat visits than Doctor Who’s Daleks – but I’ll reserve final judgement until after the end of the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al_B View Post
    Having said that, most series take a while to develop and get a rhythm. There are some oddball ones that do that quickly (Firefly) but they’re far and few between. This has weaknesses – the Klingons now have almost more repeat visits than Doctor Who’s Daleks – but I’ll reserve final judgement until after the end of the series.
    Agreed. Remember, The Next Generation started off really weak and there were people who were furious about the show initially. Now it's regarded by quite a few as the best series. I am holding hope that this will be another Star Trek series that just took some time to really get good, and when it does it will provide some great television, because I can very much see the potential in this.

  17. #17
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    I thought it was pretty good.

    I'm not a big ST fan so the Klingon's didn't bother me. My brother hated the change to the way they look though.

    The worst thing about this was that back story! WTF? Why oh why do they have to shoehorn known characters in? What next, her first boyfriend was Bones and her classmate was Scotty?

    FFS

  18. #18
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    @Volitions Advocate: Concerning the Bryan Fuller factor, if I'm not mistaken he ended up not having that much to do with the series. Originally he was supposed to be the main creative head behind it, but when he got American Gods he more or less bowed out, I think. At least that's what I remember reading; perhaps he had more of a creative influence than I'm aware of. In any case, the pilot episode (I've just seen the first part) didn't have any touches that made me think of Fuller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buccura View Post
    Agreed. Remember, The Next Generation started off really weak and there were people who were furious about the show initially. Now it's regarded by quite a few as the best series. I am holding hope that this will be another Star Trek series that just took some time to really get good, and when it does it will provide some great television, because I can very much see the potential in this.
    Yes about TNG. The first episode suffered from stiff acting and a villain nobody liked (Q). In the second episode, the crew gets intoxicated in a lame rip-off of an old TOS story. Even Data gets drunk and boinks Yar. Some fans were ready to hate it at that point. But it got good quickly and the first season has several of my favorite episodes of the series.

    Voyager was the opposite for me. I liked it right from the start but it went downhill from there.

    It's too early to judge this one, but I agree based on first impressions the spectacle could be toned down to focus more on the characters and stories.

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    It's definitely better if the show gets good later instead of a good show becoming crap*, like, say, Heroes, but it also makes them a hard sell. I have had the hardest time convincing people to give Farscape a chance, as it sucks for most of the two first seasons.

    * the disappointment is much enhanced when it's a good series that takes a downturn, as I'm experiencing right now with Sherlock.
    Last edited by Starker; 27th Sep 2017 at 20:42.

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    Seconding the opening post meme.


    The Orville is better Trek than Discovery...

  22. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al_B View Post
    the Klingons now have almost more repeat visits than Doctor Who’s Daleks
    Not even close. In the old days, you could not watch a Doctor Who episode without seeing a Dalek or two.

    And I agree on the new Klingon's (as I've stated elsewhere). They completely fucked them up. Using subtitles for long conversations was dumb as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    Probably because the second episode was only on CBS's streaming service.
    It didn’t catch the second half of the first (two-part) episode, is what I meant. Space Channel had some lame Star Trek commentary hype show that ran late and confused the PVR. I still haven’t seen the entire episode, but apparently you can get it in Canada on some streaming service, so I guess I’ll subscribe to that eventually (maybe when the whole season’s out).

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    You're luckier than us. Here in the US, only the first half aired on broadcast TV. You had to subscribe to CBS All Access to watch the second half. Other than Discovery, there's nothing else I'm interested in on CBS All Access that I can't get free OTA, so spending $60/year just to watch Discovery is a hard sell.

  25. #25
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    Aja

    It's on CraveTV. I think you can get it through Bell if you're with them in any capacity, but direct from crave I think they have the 30 days free like netflix does.

    Thats' now I'm watching it anyway. Rather than spend $200 a month on cable I'm using a VPN for Netflix, Hulu and HBO for like 30 bucks a month total. Just added crave to the list to see Star Trek and the whole package is still cheaper than basic cable.

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