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Thread: Guilty Until Proven Innocent

  1. #376
    Southquarter.com/fms
    Registered: Apr 2000
    Location: The Akkala Highlands
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    And we haven't heard his side of the story. But of course, that didn't matter to you.
    I've said several times that it all depends on whether she is telling the truth. But that fact that he's gone completely quiet aside from a very short PR response speaks volumes.

  2. #377
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Silence should never be taken as an admission of guilt. James Franco has done the "silence is golden" approach to the claims made against him. Does that mean he's guilty? Hell no.

    Innocent before being proven guilty. If we as a society ever get to the point where silence always = assumed guilty, then we're all damned.

  3. #378
    Southquarter.com/fms
    Registered: Apr 2000
    Location: The Akkala Highlands
    This topic has come up a few times now, but I'll go there again - I am not a court of law. There are no consequences to anyone from me forming my own opinion. And to me, not denying accusations made against you is as good as saying you're guilty. If I were a judge deciding someone's legal fate, my opinion would of course not be enough. But that's not the case, I'm free to believe whatever I choose. Innocent before proven guilty is strictly a legal term.

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: "Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.".
    And you're wrong about Franco - he did deny the accusations made against him. He claimed they were inaccurate.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...htmlstory.html

  4. #379
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Brethren's right in this instance. The court of public opinion is always going to be a thing. You're always have people who will assume the accused is either innocent or guilty for any number of arbitrary reasons. Whether you agree or disagree, we're all entitled to voice what we believe.

    You can't expect people to stay silent, especially on matters as loaded and openly public as #metoo. The only thing you can hope for, the only thing you should expect, is that everyone remains levelheaded.

  5. #380
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Washington DC
    Coming back to this thread after a couple weeks' hiatus, I just wanted to apologize to faetal, heywood, and Starker for getting heated and misinterpreting their posts. This topic is a little bit personal to me and I read too much into some posts. That's on me. Sorry guys.

  6. #381
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Quote Originally Posted by Brethren View Post
    And you're wrong about Franco - he did deny the accusations made against him. He claimed they were inaccurate.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...htmlstory.html
    My bad, in that case. Last I'd read (in the article posted earlier in this thread) he'd chosen to stay silent on it.

  7. #382
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Qantas
    Quote Originally Posted by catbarf View Post
    Coming back to this thread after a couple weeks' hiatus, I just wanted to apologize to faetal, heywood, and Starker for getting heated and misinterpreting their posts. This topic is a little bit personal to me and I read too much into some posts. That's on me. Sorry guys.
    Thanks catbarf, I appreciate that. I felt like I might have hit a raw nerve, so I stepped away from the thread for a few days.

  8. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by Brethren View Post
    This topic has come up a few times now, but I'll go there again - I am not a court of law. There are no consequences to anyone from me forming my own opinion. And to me, not denying accusations made against you is as good as saying you're guilty. If I were a judge deciding someone's legal fate, my opinion would of course not be enough. But that's not the case, I'm free to believe whatever I choose. Innocent before proven guilty is strictly a legal term.



    And you're wrong about Franco - he did deny the accusations made against him. He claimed they were inaccurate.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...htmlstory.html

    Actually..... libel and perjury are a thing. If you knowingly publish false accusations that causes material damage to someone you can be sued for doing so.

  9. #384
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    As what happened with Rebel Wilsin last year.

  10. #385
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Seems like a big shake up is due here. All rape cases to be reviewed.

    Just read this case.

    How can that woman still be anonymous? She's a risk and, imho, should be prosecuted anyway.

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