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Thread: World Cup 2018! (Russia 14 June - 15 July)

  1. #126
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    Semi-final #2

    Croatia 2-1 England (after extra time!)
    A really good match, and I'm delighted to have one of my favourites in the final! England had a strong start, and with a bit of luck they could have had a two goal lead at half time. But just like against Colombia, they seemed to be happy to just defend their lead on the second half, and this time it cost them... Croatia were all over England for the next 45 minutes and were unlucky not to win the match on normal time. Normal time? Is that what it's called? England got back to the game on extra time, but not much happened until Mandzukic scored the winner. Croatia played the remaining minutes cleverly and didn't let England surprise them anymore. Like Thor already pointed out, Croatia were the better team today, but not by much in my opinion! Perhaps the pressure was just too much for the young England team, and the experienced Croatians (Croats?) took advantage of it. I'm glad that this game went to extra time, but even more glad that it wasn't decided on penalties - it would have been wrong to decide the winner of a match like this in such manner. Great game by two great teams, I could have watched another 120 minutes of this, but I don't think that the players would have appreciated it.

  2. #127
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    Please, Japan's last 13 minutes against Poland was the funniest sh*t I've ever seen in football. I laughed the entire time. That was such obvious, direct anti-football it was actually comedic (also those were the only minutes they played anti-football in this tournament). More subtle anti-football practicing teams like England, Belgium and Russia got farther though. Well, one is still left, though I guess (or hope, at least) France is a bit less anti-football than some. And you're right, it was all luck (on their part, not so much on the tournament's) that had belgians had that last second win against Japan. On that note, I wish England to mop the floor bloody with belgians on Saturday. Being 4th is already way better than they ever deserved (I just can't hate on those boys enough ). Perhaps it's a chance for ya boy Harry to still win that golden boot. The actual best players like Modric don't tend to get that spotlight. What was it for Harry - 1 accidental ricochet goal, 2 penalties and 3 real goals? I mean, very good, but not worth all the talk. CR7's first match alone still made it a contender for best player... shame they got knocked out so early - the tournament got half as fun without the CR7. And yeah it's fun to be obsessed with him - he always looks like a showman, cause he knows he's being filmed every second, so he entertains.

  3. #128
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    Ok, I get that you don't like Belgium, that's fair enough, but I really don't get the anti-football thing... They've scored the most goals in the tournament (some really nice ones too!), they could have taken an arguably easier route to the final but England wanted to lose more in that last group stage game, and they never stopped attacking even against Brazil (to the point that some of their attacks were just mad!). I haven't been a fan of Belgium in the past, but they've easily been the most entertaining team to watch in this World Cup. Belgium vs Croatia would have been my dream final, but at least I'll have a clear favourite in that game now.

  4. #129
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    @Thor, please explain anti-football.

  5. #130
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    Cricket?

  6. #131
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    Just means you're not playing any offense.

  7. #132
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    In addition to playing defense I would also add just any cowardly playstyle that puts people (spectators and even the opposing team) to sleep to the definition of anti-football - most notably - Spain's entire playstyle. Spain even won the 2010 world cup with it. They really butchered that tournament and stole the cup from the team that actually deserved it (the Netherlands). At least in 2014 the Netherlands really nicely raped them. That Van Persie's goal is still one of my favorite goals in football. It was just perfection - nothing to add nor take away. Almost like a staged movie scene that took oh-so-many takes to get right.
    Also a team like Iran I did actually kind like. Maybe a bit because they're an obscure team that nobody even knew existed, but also because they made it such a passion to defend themselves, and then the few attacks that were so dangerous became that much more special.

    Oh, and american football is, of course, anti-football. Don't have anything against the sport, but they really screwed up during their meeting when they went "Hmm, what should we call this sport? I mean, you use your feet to run and a ball is central to the plot, so... football? Yeah, can't go wrong with that."

    Belgium's football I guess I can't sincerely call anti-football, I just dislike them and how they play overall. Sometimes they play like amateurs that look tired or make avoidable mistakes and get goaled a lot, and then they rely on fast counter attacks like they finally decided to play football. It's just the whole aura and the hype surrounding them, it feels arrogant (I don't know the people, so the game and their individual footballers obvious attempts to stand out visually is all I get to go by). Doesn't help that they have a 27 year old teenager as their front man. He makes precise shots though. It's probably the commentators I watch as well, who try to be impartial, but then they're clearly gushing over Belgium and all its endless talent (and how Japan's doesn't have talent, while the reality showed that Belgium were lucky to beat Japan, who themselves made at least 1 critically bad decision), which is reinforced when they strike luck and beat someone like Brazil (would have been 1:1 without the self-goal, remember). Then their luck finally bumps back down to normal levels and sure enough, they're defeated. Belgium and England also had like the 2 weakest teams in their group together (arabs would also suffice I suppose), so that's also a big part of why they got out of the group to begin with.
    Last edited by Thor; 12th Jul 2018 at 11:45.

  8. #133
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    When I was a kid, we used to play keep away, and that's what I think of when somebody says anti-football. That playing style is probably one of the biggest reasons why football is not more popular as a spectator sport in the US.

    I unfortunately missed the semifinals because I was off on a camping trip. Anybody know about these discriminatory chants the English fans are accused of?

    Regarding the naming, football is a tree with many branches. IIRC, the earliest forms of football in America were based on traditional English or European mob football. Then some rugby football rules were incorporated. Then the line of scrimmage was introduced in the late 1800s which started the American branch. What I want to know is how did we get the name "soccer"? I know it's supposedly English slang for association football, but I don't get it.

    When I lived in Australia, I used to get confused because depending on what town you were in and who you were talking to, when somebody said "football" it could refer to Australian rules football, rugby league, rugby union, or association football (aka soccer). And if they knew I was American they might even be referring to American football. "Footy" was a bit easier because that usually meant Aussie rules, at least outside of Sydney (where rugby league is just as big).

  9. #134
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    Opens up beer, notices it's belgian beer and appreciates the irony in the context of these last coujple of weeks. Life is beautiful.

  10. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    (arabs would also suffice I suppose)
    .

  11. #136
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    What? Are you upset that I went for the short version instead of saudi arabia? Or that I think they were among the weaker teams?
    I hope croats win the cup. Is this also a dot?
    Last edited by Thor; 14th Jul 2018 at 05:15.

  12. #137
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    Bronze medal game:

    Belgium 2-0 England
    This game was a bit of a disappointment, as neither side looked very interested. I think Belgium wanted the bronze medal more, and I'd say that they deserved it too. It wasn't a bad game, but at least the English players looked like they just wanted to go home, as if they had too many World Cup medals already. Well, there's not much to say about this game really. Belgium had a couple of nice counter-attacks.

  13. #138
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    We (England) got well outclassed by a classy Belgium but I think we done well to come this far and I've loved every moment! Sure it's not Coming Home but our boy's did us proud!!

  14. #139
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    Final:

    France 4-2 Croatia
    Lots of goals, but not really a classic game. Not bad for a final I guess, but instead of great skill and beautiful goals, I think it'll be remembered for awful individual errors and some (un)lucky incidents. It would have been great to see Croatia win this, but France were the better team and deserved their win.

  15. #140
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    So that's it then. It's all over.

    I think it was the best World Cup for a long time! The best team won in the end (I'm still annoyed about that 0-0 farce with Denmark though!) and I think that the France vs Belgium semi-final would have been a worthy final for this tournament. The French team was damn impressive throughout the World Cup.

    VAR was a good addition after all. I just still can't understand why they don't do anything about the obvious cheats, when they've got the technology for that in their hands. I can't remember seeing a single yellow card for diving. At least VAR seems to have worked in getting rid of violent fouls and other dirty tricks. I think that the only red cards in this tournament were for handballs and "professional fouls"?

    I was certain that there'd be a lot of trouble in Russia during the World Cup, but I haven't heard of any such incidents. No serious violence or hooliganism. That's awesome, sounds almost too good to be true...

    We saw some great goals and exciting games during the last month, and it's been nice to see a step towards more positive and attacking football. My favourite goals (from the top of my head, in no particular order) were Kroos's amazing overtime free kick winner in Germany vs Sweden, Di Maria's insane long-range screamer in Argentina vs France, and Pavard's beautiful equaliser in the same game.

    Ah, four more years until the next World Cup... or is it four and a half years, because it'll be played during the winter season in Qatar apparently? I already have low expectations for that tournament, but we'll see...

  16. #141
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    Tomi - no. France were not better by any stretch of the imagination. They were extremely lucky in the first half (2 free goals vs 1 earned goal from Croatia), and in the 2nd half Croatia had that period of slip-ups as they were focusing on scoring a goal more. Oh, not to mention that they had way less physical pressure on them in the last 2 weeks AND they got 1 more day of rest. It simply fails under every critique to say that France was the better (or best) team. After they got their safe lead the french stopped with the diving at least. Probably the trainer made that decision. But Croatia were the ones with all the good attacks, all the good saves (except for Subasic - I guess that injury didn't heal as he wasn't up to snuff today...) and even managed to absolutely humiliate the french goalkeeper. At least that was a delicious little spit at them as the final goal in this ultimately unsuccessful world cup. While part of the beauty is seeing a team that didn't deserve to win do just that, it is bitter when this happens against your favorite team. I guess I might be done with watching football altogether. There's more interesting, and self-reliant hobbies in life to engage in.

    P.S. Of course there wasn't trouble in Russia. It's not bit thirdworldified like the western Europe is in process of.

  17. #142
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomi View Post
    I was certain that there'd be a lot of trouble in Russia during the World Cup, but I haven't heard of any such incidents. No serious violence or hooliganism. That's awesome, sounds almost too good to be true...
    Meh. The violence is state sponsored, and so is the peace. No hooligan will dare to fart without Putin's say.

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    Pfft... It's hard to take Thor seriously when he's so obviously biased. Even if France had won 9-0 and Croatia had had zero shots on goal, he still would have said that it was totally unfair and CRonaldo was the man of the match.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    P.S. Of course there wasn't trouble in Russia. It's not bit thirdworldified like the western Europe is in process of.
    I don't think that your so-called thirdworldifying has got anything to do with it, so there's no reason to bring your right-wing propaganda in here. You say that W. Europe is "in process of being thirdworldified", but football hooliganism and all sorts of idiotism has long history. The current situation looks in fact pretty good compared to what it was like a few decades ago...

  19. #144
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    This was the best World Cup in a while. The group stage was wide open with a lot of surprises. The round of 16 was good too. I found my interest tailing off after that. The final was a little bit of a let down. I thought Croatia played well, but with a bit of desperation after they got in a hole. Take away those cheap goals and it would have been a good battle.

  20. #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomi View Post
    Pfft... It's hard to take Thor seriously when he's so obviously biased..
    *clap* *clap* Lacking some sense awareness, do we? Everybody is biased, and you're not an exception. Just because you always automatically sway your opinion in favor for the team that scores more goals in a match and call it a deserved win doesn't actually make that so. Unless you have a different sense of what is "deserved".

    In regards to my right-wing propaganda, I was merely referencing the last euro cup where France was being policed like it was in a state of potential civil war. I guess now I can also reference some nice hooliganism in France after they took the cup. Probably you know the details better, as I don't care enough about that, or my own right-wing propaganda to google more details.

    And yeah, shame about those 4 cheap goals. I guess the first one was semi-legit (well, another self-goal - this world cup was truly overloaded with those jeez...), but yeah the next few not so much.

  21. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    *clap* *clap* Lacking some sense awareness, do we? Everybody is biased, and you're not an exception. Just because you always automatically sway your opinion in favor for the team that scores more goals in a match and call it a deserved win doesn't actually make that so. Unless you have a different sense of what is "deserved".
    Of course I'm biased, I haven't even tried to hide the fact that I don't like certain teams and players. But the difference is that I don't have trouble saying that CRonaldo for example had a very good game against Spain, even though I'm not his biggest fan. Nor did I have trouble admitting that France deserved to win Argentina, even though I really wanted Argentina to win, and with a bit of luck that could have happened indeed.

    So yeah, I still think that France deserved to win the final. Croatia did have some good chances in the beginning, but as things happened, France never looked like losing the game. And that doesn't mean that Croatia winning would have been totally unfair, not at all. Damn, I would have been over the moon if they had won! Perhaps it was indeed luck that turned the match in France's favour, but they certainly took advantage of it, and so deserved the win more than the Croatians.

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