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Thread: Garrett and the Beanstalk

  1. #1
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003

    Garrett and the Beanstalk

    A really interesting and unique mission Kfort - just in time for panto season too!

    How many bonuses are there? I found 3 and 3 of the 4 secrets. I'm straight back up that beanstalk to find that missing secret!

  2. #2
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: The Wailing Keep
    Woohoo! Glad you released this one kfort!

    If you don't know what this post is about, go to thiefmissions....



    (Sorry I wasn't much help as a beta tester... RL has been insane the last month...)

  3. #3
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: House of Sand and Fog
    Hey, Kfort didn't tell me she was finally going to release it. Now to see if all my diligent *cough* beta-testing paid off .

    Everyone play this! A beautiful little fairy tale

    deadman.

  4. #4
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Praga, capvt regni
    So far I've only found 1 secret and 2 bonus objectives... are there any more?

    Very nice, kfort!

  5. #5
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2003
    Location: Still hoarding rope arrows
    Great mission, Kfort !

    Did you write all of those little short stories ? The one about the Thief and the Innkeeper was funny !

    I also had great fun
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    climbing all over the giant furniture. It was like being a little kid again

  6. #6
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Preno

    You have at least 3 secrets and one bonus to go!

  7. #7
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2001
    Location: Freetown PEI Canada
    Great stuff , thanks Kfort .

  8. #8
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Belgium
    Very enjoyable mission to play!! well done...

  9. #9
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2003
    Location: Seattle
    Cool Mission! Thanks, Kfort!

  10. #10
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2003
    Location: Stalking the Tumtum tree
    Very nice work, this one is definatly worth the download.

    But we do need some Duct Tape in the dungeon, one of the henchmen had an accident

  11. #11
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2003
    Location: Seattle
    Same here. All of them had terrible accidents. Somehow each of them fell on my arrows several times.
    spoiler:
    Just because I hate ghosting and didn't realize you could grab the broomstick and use it like a black jack until I replayed the mission.

  12. #12
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2003
    Location: United Kingdom
    Glad you finished it Kfort. Downloading the mission again now.

  13. #13
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2003
    Very original! A great mission Kfort.

  14. #14
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2001
    Location: NY
    This was a very highly imaginative mission and a lot of fun to play. A lot of work went into this and it shows. I just finished on Normal with only 2 of 4 secrets and
    spoiler:
    2 bonus objectives.
    I'll have to play again on Expert.
    spoiler:
    Those "Cloudbeasts" were great!!!!

    Thanks for making such a cool mission!!!

  15. #15
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Lost in the BSP...
    Hehe, cool fun this one.

    I couldn't help but noticing, though, what was the reason for making the doors "double" in the big room in the castle? I could open the doors sometimes and they weren't hilighted (to indicate frobability), and I could hear double closing sounds, too. Really strange... (and I'm not talking about the rooms where there was a little door and a big door next to it; I'm referring to the large doors in the main hall just as you enter the castle; there was a little door "hidden" inside of the big doors.)

    I deleted the little door inside of each bigger door and they still opened for me just fine. Was it a pathfinding or AI issue then? I didn't have time to try and figure that part out.

    Outstanding mission though. Really creepy, but really fun at the same time!

  16. #16
    Ghost
    Registered: Aug 2003

    Bonuses & secrets

    [Folks]

    (Sounds like a Kipling title!)

    (There actually is a Kipling title, Rewards and Fairies, which seems to fit this FM to a T .)

    I've only found two secrets -- a trunk in the rafters of the jail-cell hall and the picture that slides up revealing giant coins and giant purses -- and one bonus, rescuing the fairy princess. Can I get hints about the other two of each?

    spoiler:
    I parked the Unconscious Damsel in Distress in a low cave next to the beanstalk; I figure she'll keep there on ice until I get the rest of the stuff, eh?


    Thanks,

    Dafydd

  17. #17
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2002
    Location: USA
    Thank you all for your wonderful comments!

    Sorry it took so long for me to respond. Finals week is a real killer. Should lighten up soon and then I'll be free! (for a few weeks at least)

    Moghedian -
    Alas, no, I did not write any of the fairy tales in the hut. I found all those stories and fables on-line. Most are from Aesop's Fables and few I had a harder time placing. I'm really sorry I couldn't include one entitled "The Master Thief" which describes the exploits of a clever thief challenged to pull off three "impossible" heists by a rich lord. He steals the lord's horse from his guarded stables, the sheet off of the lord's bed while his wife is in it, and even the local pastor from out of the village church! A very amusing story, but far too long to put in a Thief book - it would have taken up 30 pages or more because of the small page size.

    Hit Diety -
    The little doors within the larger doors were done, as you guessed to help the AI with pathfinding. Apparently AI can't "see" a door if its center is too high above them. My giant doors are just a little too large. The dwarves had a lot of trouble with them - they would walk against them without opening forever. The giant was a little better, but sometimes got stuck, too. Placing a smaller, invisible door inside the big door seemed to fix the problem. I tried to make the small doors as intangible as possible, but I forgot about door sounds!



    Since several people are wondering about the secrets, here are a few general hints:

    spoiler:
    Look high and low. Especially high.

    Vine arrows are your friend - be sure to find and use them

    The castle is full of secrets (so don't bother look anywhere else)

    You may need a weapon. You know . . . something sharp.

    Banners and paintings + Thief = ???



    Hopefully these hints will help you discover them on your own. If you are stumped (or just like highlighting spoiler boxes) here are the exact locations:

    spoiler:

    1) In the main bedroom, use a vine arrow to reach the top of the wardrobe. Use the lever and the painting over the bed will slide away, revealing a secret stash

    2)In the dungeon/basement, use a vine arrow to reach the rafters. Hop around until you find a foot locker up there. Open it for a little loot. (incidentally, look around in the rafters - there are some random gold nuggets around too)

    3)In the entry room (dining room), use a vine arrow (again!) to reach the rafters. Wander around until you hear the crackling of a fire. Search the nearby support beam for a hidden door and grab the magic item hidden inside

    4) The banner in the entry room can be slashed to reveal a secret area.

    Incidentally - for the sake of any ghosters out there, on Master difficulty there is an alternative way to reach the secret area behind the banner that doesn't involve property damage. Unfortuantely, I just realized that I forgot to setup the "found secret" trigger for this way. So if you manage to get into the secret area using this method (no slashing the banner) consider this secret to be "found." Sorry about that folks!


    Thank you all. I'm glad you enjoyed my level and I hope you have a great holiday! (or winter season or whatever applies)

    Kfort

  18. #18
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Yipe! That
    spoiler:
    skeleton in the cells almost frightened me out of my chair. I swallowed my tongue! Definately a great use of the undead!
    :

  19. #19
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Bonuses I found

    spoiler:
    1. 1100 in loot

    spoiler:
    2. Get the magic harp

    spoiler:
    3. Release the prisoners

  20. #20
    Ghost
    Registered: Aug 2003

    Bonuses & Secrets

    [Kfort]

    Thanks, I'll go back and hunt for those secrets!

    [Sir Lance]

    Yikes, I'm glad I didn't trigger number 3... that would bust my ghost wide open: when you release the prisoners from their cells (which I tried a couple of times), they run out and get into melees with the dwarf guards! I had to reload and not do it.

    (By ghost rules, Garrett cannot intentionally trigger melees.)

    Dafydd

  21. #21
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2001
    kfort, #3 didn't trigger for me as being a secret either.

    Anyway, that means I found all the secrets on my own, woohoo! (Not something I do terribly often.)

  22. #22
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Lost in the BSP...

    Cool, in that case, I understand completely then. I don't think I would have thought about doing the extra door trick to get around it. Nice thinking.

  23. #23
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2002
    Location: Sulphur, Louisiana, USA
    in the harp room, is there a way to get out once the gate comes down?

  24. #24
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003
    ShadowWolf421

    spoiler:
    I don't think so. This happened to me first time but I couldn't find a way out. I just had to go back to a previous saved game and make a run for it.

  25. #25
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2003
    Location: Stalking the Tumtum tree
    ShadowWolf421:
    spoiler:
    On the left (as you exit the room) side of the stairs is a flat switch that controls the gate. If you flip the lever before you get the harp, the gate will actually open when you steal it.

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