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Andman
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posted March 09, 1999 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andman   Click Here to Email Andman     Edit Message
Hey, good to know more people from Scandinavia drop by here sometimes.
I am from Norway, and I would like to type in Norwegian, but since everybody probably will feel very offended when they cant read my norwegian, I will write in english.
I read your first post, and you mentioned a place where you bought Thief. Is it a place on the net? And if it is, can you be so kind to give me the adress? (I really want Fallout!!)

If there are more Scandinavians out there, please let me know!!

Boreal
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posted March 09, 1999 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boreal     Edit Message
I'm a Finn, so techinically speaking I'm not a Scandinavian but 'from one of the Nordic countries'. Whenever a foreigner asks where I'm from, however, and he/she does not seem to recall a country by the name of Finland, I tell him/her that it is in Scandinavia, and that in most cases helps. I'm not sure if I could understand your Norwegian though, but I speak a little Swedish and the two languages are pretty similar.

I think LGS has some very devout fans in Scandinavia and the Nordic countries. For example the generally most respected (I think the readers feel this way.) reviewer of the biggest and oldest Finnish gaming magazine Pelit, loves their games. He gave over 95 points to System Shock and both of the UUWs and Thief got 92 points.

Zanatar
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posted March 09, 1999 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zanatar     Edit Message
I applaud both of you on your excellent english skills.
Is this normal for Nodic people or Finn, to speak/write, so well in English?

I am very impressed.

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Jyre
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posted March 09, 1999 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jyre   Click Here to Email Jyre     Edit Message
Do they have a choice Zanatar? Most English speakers force those they consider foriegn to use English. (Cept us Scots, at least we have the courtesy to use the language of the country we be visiting when we visit) After all the English forced Welsh out of Wales, Gaelic out of Scotland and Irish out of N. Ireland. Half them can't even be *beeped* to learn a little French when they go to France.
Okay, tirade over. Sorry.

Linda (my real name)
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posted March 09, 1999 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda (my real name)   Click Here to Email Linda (my real name)     Edit Message
Tempting yes, to write in Swedish, but I won't. Ha, I just imagined playing Thief in Norwegian, nearly fell off my chair ; ) Yep, it's a place called ebay, the url is www.ebay.com. It's not a store, it is an auction place where private persons sell all kind of things, from Foppa jerseys on 999$ to Fallout for 4$. A bit of advice: You got to be patient, wait for the right moment, always make the bid in the last minute so no one can overbid you, check out the seller's feedback and avoid seller's who's unknown. And e-mail the seller and ask if they're ready to ship internationally and take cash (or visa if you got that). I got Fallout for 4$ cause there was missing the manual (it's absolutely no problem playing without though), and I let go of the box to reduce the shipping cost. Make sure you are the one deciding how it's going to ship, you can go to US Postal's website and see different ratings. If you want manual you have to pay 7-8$. Newer games like Thief and Half-life is about 25-30$. I got it for 23$ after a lot of patience looking for the right one. You can get older games like Caesar2 for 1$. And newer but more unpopular games like Lands of lore2 is about 5$. So there's some really good deals out there. You can also check a seller's others auctions, that way you can save some shipping costs. Hope that's some help for you.

Btw, Fallout is the first game taking my eyes from Thief, but it only lasted 1 hour, then Thief pulled me back again. I got Half-life at the same time as Thief and I got to say, sure it's pretty, but it's oh sooo boring compared to Thief.

Linda

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Zanatar
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posted March 09, 1999 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zanatar     Edit Message
You got me all wrong Jyre.
For starters, I`m Canadian, and I speak three languages. French, English, and Spanish. French is my mother toungne, since I`m French Canadian. I picked up English, shortly after, since I`m surround by an English society. My wife is from El Savador, so I`ve learned Spanish from her.

I would never do what you mention.
" force those they consider foriegn to use English. "

I find the thought of those who would do such a thing, insulting. I haven`t traveled much, so I can`t say what it would be like to visit another country that speaks a language other then English. But I can tell you, that the day I do visiit another`s beautiful country, you can bet I will only speak in whatever language that country is speaking. This may prove challanging and diffucult, but it is the only way to truly experience the land you visit.

BiggyShake
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posted March 09, 1999 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiggyShake     Edit Message
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but since everybody probably will feel very offended when they cant read my norwegian, I will write in english.

Us english speaking people won't be offended, just utterly flummoxed and confused. Nothing wrong with that.

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Ya want fries with that?

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Jyre
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posted March 09, 1999 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jyre   Click Here to Email Jyre     Edit Message
Sorry, Zanatar, that wasn't meant to be personal 'cept the question. After all someone with that attitude wouldn't be congratulating their English, would they? Please accept me appologies.
I was just pinting out that the majority of people, at least in Engalnd, have that attitude. I just get fed up hearing people saying things like 'Should learn to speak properly', when a they hear people speaking a foriegn language.
And I wouldn't tak e offence if anyone started using their native tongue, it is their birthright, after all.

Zanatar
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posted March 09, 1999 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zanatar     Edit Message
Exactly Jyre, I`m with you 100% at that.

I still feel though, that you misunderstand my original statement. By my complimenting them on their use of English, isn`t at all suppose to come across as my indicating that they should not have spoken in their language. (Actually I would encourage anyone who wants to, to start a thread in another language. I wouldn`t be able to follow it, but that`s ok, maybe I`ll learn something)
I was simply acknowledging the fact that I was impressed with their English.
I don`t think there is any insult in someone complementing another`s usage of a language.

The fact that they are not speaking English as their 1st official language, and to be speaking as good as they are is impressive.
My god there are people here in Canada, (and I`m sure in the States as well) who have never spoken or written in any other language other then English, and can`t speak or write nearly as good as Andman and Boreal.

Myself included, being born French speaking, I didn`t learn English until I was six , and I remember it was hard. English is not the easiest language to learn.

Anyhow, I`m just talking for the sake of talking, I apologize if my comment came across any other way, other then my actual intent. Which was simply that I was impressed.
Nothing more was meant by that

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Jyre
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posted March 09, 1999 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jyre   Click Here to Email Jyre     Edit Message
I understood your comment, it's just that Andman used the word 'offended' and it kind of set me off.
I think I'll shut up now before I get everything even more confused

Ghost
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posted March 09, 1999 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ghost   Click Here to Email Ghost     Edit Message
For the record Zanatar i went to Montreal a couple years ago and was so totally baffled (since i only speak English and understand a little spanish) that i decided to try and learn french in case i ever went back LOL if i wasn't visiting a friend who was translating a lot of stuff it wouldn't have been nearly as much fun =]

I'm all for speaking your own language if it's easier for ya =] but we'd all be confused and not be able to comment hehe

Zanatar
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posted March 09, 1999 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zanatar     Edit Message
Heh, heh, and commenting is the best part.
Isn`t it

Besides, look at Cadefel, he`s speaking an entirely different dialect from an entirely different time. heheheh

Boreal
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posted March 09, 1999 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boreal     Edit Message
Thanks for the compliments Zanatar, one never gets enough of those! Most Finns and Scandinavians speak English pretty well, especially the young people. I've met English speaking foreigners that are staying in Finland and are trying to learn a bit of our language. These people have told me that this is nearly impossible because everytime they try to start a conversation in Finnish the person they are talking to switches to English!

In my opinion it is the best solution that everyone on this board posts in English.
I have nothing against people using other languages if they want to but for the sake of practicality, I feel that sticking with one language is for the best.

The Magpie
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posted March 09, 1999 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Magpie   Click Here to Email The Magpie     Edit Message
There are separate Usenet groups dedicated to game discussions in weird languages.

(Dømrade tjueradder! Allesammen!)

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Andman
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posted March 10, 1999 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andman   Click Here to Email Andman     Edit Message
Wow, I was only asking for a url (thanks Linda), not for a big discussion about languages, but since you people seem to enjoy it I won`t stop ya.

Why people from the Northern cold, snowy, and icebear filled countries talk English is probably because of all the movies and computer games. And of course, the much hated (at least by me) schools.
I have yet to see any good games with norwegian speech.
Thief translated to norwegian. Now that would have been a good laugh. (Kom her din dømrade tjueradd, så skal du få smake sverd!)

A gamecompany from Norway called Funcom are working on some interesting things. Maybe they will make norwegian versions of their games

Kyloe
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posted March 10, 1999 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyloe   Click Here to Email Kyloe     Edit Message
"Come here, thief! Taste my sword!" That it?

I realize that I'm in a much better position than you, because I could actually choose the language of the game. I picked up the German version and, much as I love English, I haven't regretted it. The dubbing is simply great!

Is there any software localized into Norwegian or Finnish, etc.? I can imagine that it would have been too expensive to dub the game, but a Swedish DOS maybe?

Anyway, I believe that there is no need to make this forum English exclusive. If you want to be understood by most of us, say it in English, but otherwise post whatever you can type in. I like to spice up my messages with a bit of local colour, and would like you to do the same. This is a chance to meet people from all over the Western world (and we've even had an Indian in the chat), so why not share our cultural backgrounds and work against these ancient misunderstandings.

As you can see from some of the signatures, sayings and metaphors (in English) can be understood by most people, even if they've never heard them before. The same is true for metonymies, which can be incorporated in the text. Give us your metonymies!

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Krynoid
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posted March 10, 1999 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Krynoid   Click Here to Email Krynoid     Edit Message
Personally I would stay away from any games dubbed into my main language, swedish, mainly because there simply isnt any good voicetalent over here. There has been a few games in Swedish that I know of, such as Cryo's Atlantis and The Ring but I havent played any of these. Hmm... I wonder how Thief would sound in Swedish... Nah...

redEye
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posted March 10, 1999 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redEye   Click Here to Email redEye     Edit Message
"metonymies"
am i the only one who has no idea wtf this means?

FYI, there's an online game called NetStorm that has several scandinavian players, if you're interested. still, the game is only in english AFAIK.
I remember one time I convinced like 2 of 'em that I knew some Swedish (I think it was Swedish) by typing out things I saw on the cover to the Swedish version of The Wheel of Time (i have pictures of the covers on my machine for one reason or another). real good series... maybe that's what we should do between Thief 1 and 2 .

-redEye

Coot
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posted March 10, 1999 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coot     Edit Message
Zanatar,
Your comments are welcome and laudable ("the day I do visit another`s beautiful country, you can bet I will only speak in whatever language that country is speaking")...

but impractical. Particularly in Northern Europe where everyone speaks excellent English (and in particular the Dutch who seem to speak in whatever language comes up in the conversation).
In my foolish youth I had the same attitude, and actually learned survival Thai and Korean when I traveled there. Just showing that you made the effort generally goes a long way, but the odds are good that their English will be better than your (fill-in-the-blank).
And, for crissakes, isn't three languages enough already?? :-o

Koobze
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posted March 10, 1999 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koobze   Click Here to Email Koobze     Edit Message
What languages do you all speak?
Quelles langues est ce que vous parlez?
W jakich jezykach wy gadacie?

sory aboot any mystaiks...

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Kyloe
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posted March 10, 1999 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyloe   Click Here to Email Kyloe     Edit Message
Three languages? That’s barely a start!

Metonymy is the basis of word production. A table doesn’t really have any legs, yet we say so. Or think of a live wire, a computer mouse, leaves of a book, web pages, etc.

Koobze, is that Polish?

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redEye
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posted March 10, 1999 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redEye   Click Here to Email redEye     Edit Message
heehee... Kyloe mentioned polish, and i had this thought... i have all kinds of non-english music (mostly on the computer) - french, german, russian, polish, and spanish (that's it, i think). i like listening to the stuff, actually (and i really like French poetry, but that's beside the point), even that which i don't understand. most other languages that i listen to just have a flow that's difficult to match in English, for the most part (altough, IMHO, the eastern european languages are a bit harsh - for some reason, though, german doesn't strike me as so).
and i speak decent english, bad french, and less-than-kindergarten level german. and a touch of Hebrew. and i'm one of the less language inclined people on this board .

-redEye

Cadfael
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posted March 11, 1999 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cadfael   Click Here to Email Cadfael     Edit Message
Other than the cant, mye real second language is Mandarin Chinese.

Ni shuo bu shuo Zhongwen?

But it don't look right this way. No tone marks fer the pinyin, let alone characters.

Great post all the same, Aye've enjoyed readin it. As fer travellin ter places and speakin the local cant let me say it were damned essential in the back country o'China were Aye lived. Some o'the cities were ok fer most folks, but Aye can't imagine what it must o'been like fer people travellin in the areas Aye went. At least Aye could read the signs and communicate through writing if Aye couldn't follow the dialect (Did Cadfael hisself say "follow the dialect?" Har). Yer knows that Chinese writing were unified in the 3rd century BC, and other than a bit o'simplification in the PRC any dialect is written the same. Thank the builder's bottom fer that, as whats left is bloody hard enough.


PS. Mye granny were Annie Anderson, and Swedish were her first language though she were born in Minnesota.
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Pilfer
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posted March 11, 1999 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pilfer     Edit Message
Sure, make me feel bad. Being fourth generation Texan on one side, and third on the other, I'm not even sure I speak English anymore.

Although after three grueling years of German, I can occasionally identify a word or two.

Pilfer, Lacking that Linguistic Gene

Andman
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posted March 11, 1999 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andman   Click Here to Email Andman     Edit Message
Good translation there Kyloe, although you missed on a couple of words. I dont know excactly what to call it in english, but I guess it would be something like "Come here, damn thief, and taste sword!"

Lytha
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posted March 11, 1999 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lytha   Click Here to Email Lytha     Edit Message
At school, I started with Latin, then English, and after that some years Italian. I was able to understand written French, but that is long ago.

Maybe the starting with Latin did cause my English being so crappy.

But it improved my logical thinking.

Jyre
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posted March 11, 1999 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jyre   Click Here to Email Jyre     Edit Message
"Knowledge is power. Words bring knowledge. Those who are selfish garner that power in spite. Those who share their words do gain unity and in unity we do gain strength and in that unity we do find new knowledge and so our power grows whilst the selfish doth wither and die."
Just thought I'd share that.

I'm beginning to feel inadiquate. I know a little French and some German but my main interest is Old English. It's amazing how much the language has changed. Reading it is tough though. But definately worth while. (I do profess an interest in history -medievil and pre-medieval)
You learnt Latin, Lthya!? From what little I've heard that is hard.

Zanatar
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posted March 11, 1999 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zanatar     Edit Message
Coot: Oh I agree, three languages is more then enough. It`s not that hard to pick up three though. You start young with two languages, and add a third later. (at least that`s what happened in my case).
It`s not like I went out and said, "I need to learn 3 languages". It just happened.
Born French Canadian, raised in an English speaking city, and marrying a Spanish wife.
So I really didn`t have a choice.

I also wouldn`t purpously go out and learn a 4th language either, but whenever I do get the opotunity to visit say Germany (as an example), I`d like to make an attempt to at least try and get by using German while I`m there. I certainly wouldn`t be looking to fluently speak the language.

Lytha
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posted March 11, 1999 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lytha   Click Here to Email Lytha     Edit Message
If it is your first language, and if you are only 10 years old, Latin is not such difficult. #) And you dont have to speak it, you must only translate the texts.

My greatest problem with living languages is indeed the speaking part. Easiest is understanding written texts, next easy is the understanding of spoken language. Then come the difficult parts of writing and at least speaking the language. At least, this is my list of problems with living languages. #)

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Zirnike
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posted March 11, 1999 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zirnike   Click Here to Email Zirnike     Edit Message
W3 U5 P30P13 5P33K 3NG1I5H R331 G00D!!!111!!!

Sorry... Knee jerk sarcsm... I must have been channeling the spirit of WAR3Z past or something...

Does Pascal count as a second language? Java? err... Geek?

Sigh, I feel like a complete bozo because I only speak English (and can't really spell it too well...)(I remember enough Spanish to say 'Yo no hablo espanol') It's a problem with the US school system, I think. (Although my sister speaks German pretty well...) That and 'we Americans' can be a touch arrogant.

At least I don't speak in ALL CAPS at the people who can't speak English...

Zirnike, Learning Klingon as a second language

Koobze
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posted March 11, 1999 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koobze   Click Here to Email Koobze     Edit Message
Kyloe: yes it is polish... how did you know?

Ghost
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posted March 11, 1999 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ghost   Click Here to Email Ghost     Edit Message
haha Zirnike..most americans don't speak any more spanish than "yo quero taco bell?" LOL

I worked at Disney world for a year so i picked up some spanish and a little of other stuff..enough to tell people where the bathrooms were or something..but they really appreciate the effort rather than trying to draw maps or use sign language.

I refuse to learn spanish fluently tho..i think it's an awful sounding language (no offense to any spanish speakers) just not for me =] if i had the patience i'd like to learn some french or german tho =]

redEye
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posted March 12, 1999 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for redEye   Click Here to Email redEye     Edit Message
interesting, Andman, that a lot of those were almost English cognates, if you kinda know what to look for.

lytha - was Maybe the starting with Latin did cause my English being so crappy on purpose? heehee... and i didn't know anyone spoke Latin as a 1st language any more .

Ghost - I agree with you there. IMHO, both German and French sound good (in very different ways), but for some reason, I personally don't like the sound of spanish. *shrug*

Jyre - where's that quote from? I like it.

-redEye

Zanatar
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posted March 12, 1999 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zanatar     Edit Message
Ghost: Actually French and Spanish sound quite similar. It`s amazing the similarites between the two. They may not sound quite the same, but if you analyze the two languages, you`d see many words that are almost identical.

And don`t forget ..spanish is the language of love. (whatever that means..)..

Kyloe
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posted March 12, 1999 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyloe   Click Here to Email Kyloe     Edit Message
Koobze: I live in Berlin. You can spit to Poland from here (not that I ever would).

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