||Topic: Linda (my real name) A fellow
| posted March 09, 1999 05:18 AM
Hey, good to know more people from Scandinavia drop by here
I am from Norway, and I would like to type in
Norwegian, but since everybody probably will feel very offended when
they cant read my norwegian, I will write in english.
read your first post, and you mentioned a place where you bought
Thief. Is it a place on the net? And if it is, can you be so kind to
give me the adress? (I really want Fallout!!)
If there are more Scandinavians out there, please let me
| posted March 09, 1999 10:38 AM
I'm a Finn, so techinically speaking I'm not a Scandinavian but
'from one of the Nordic countries'. Whenever a foreigner asks where
I'm from, however, and he/she does not seem to recall a country by
the name of Finland, I tell him/her that it is in Scandinavia, and
that in most cases helps. I'm
not sure if I could understand your Norwegian though, but I speak a
little Swedish and the two languages are pretty similar.
I think LGS has some very devout fans in Scandinavia and the
Nordic countries. For example the generally most respected (I think
the readers feel this way.) reviewer of the biggest and oldest
Finnish gaming magazine Pelit, loves their games. He gave over 95
points to System Shock and both of the UUWs and Thief got 92 points.
| posted March 09, 1999 10:59 AM
I applaud both of you on your excellent english skills.
normal for Nodic people or Finn, to speak/write, so well in English?
I am very impressed.
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| posted March 09, 1999 11:07 AM
Do they have a choice Zanatar? Most English speakers force those
they consider foriegn to use English. (Cept us Scots, at least we
have the courtesy to use the language of the country we be visiting
when we visit) After all the English forced Welsh out of Wales,
Gaelic out of Scotland and Irish out of N. Ireland. Half them can't
even be *beeped* to learn a little French when they go to
Okay, tirade over. Sorry.
(my real name)
| posted March 09, 1999 11:14 AM
Tempting yes, to write in Swedish, but I won't. Ha, I just imagined
playing Thief in Norwegian, nearly fell off my chair ; ) Yep, it's a
place called ebay, the url is www.ebay.com. It's not a store, it is
an auction place where private persons sell all kind of things, from
Foppa jerseys on 999$ to Fallout for 4$. A bit of advice: You got to
be patient, wait for the right moment, always make the bid in the
last minute so no one can overbid you, check out the seller's
feedback and avoid seller's who's unknown. And e-mail the seller and
ask if they're ready to ship internationally and take cash (or visa
if you got that). I got Fallout for 4$ cause there was missing the
manual (it's absolutely no problem playing without though), and I
let go of the box to reduce the shipping cost. Make sure you are the
one deciding how it's going to ship, you can go to US Postal's
website and see different ratings. If you want manual you have to
pay 7-8$. Newer games like Thief and Half-life is about 25-30$. I
got it for 23$ after a lot of patience looking for the right one.
You can get older games like Caesar2 for 1$. And newer but more
unpopular games like Lands of lore2 is about 5$. So there's some
really good deals out there. You can also check a seller's others
auctions, that way you can save some shipping costs. Hope that's
some help for you.
Btw, Fallout is the first game taking my eyes from Thief, but it
only lasted 1 hour, then Thief pulled me back again. I got Half-life
at the same time as Thief and I got to say, sure it's pretty, but
it's oh sooo boring compared to Thief.
I am the Iceman fighting for the right to
| posted March 09, 1999 12:01 PM
You got me all wrong Jyre.
For starters, I`m Canadian, and I
speak three languages. French, English, and Spanish. French is my
mother toungne, since I`m French Canadian. I picked up English,
shortly after, since I`m surround by an English society. My wife is
from El Savador, so I`ve learned Spanish from her.
I would never do what you mention.
" force those they
consider foriegn to use English. "
I find the thought of those who would do such a thing, insulting.
I haven`t traveled much, so I can`t say what it would be like to
visit another country that speaks a language other then English. But
I can tell you, that the day I do visiit another`s beautiful
country, you can bet I will only speak in whatever language that
country is speaking. This may prove challanging and diffucult, but
it is the only way to truly experience the land you visit.
| posted March 09, 1999 12:18 PM
but since everybody probably will feel very offended when they
cant read my norwegian, I will write in english.
Us english speaking people won't be offended, just utterly
flummoxed and confused. Nothing wrong with that.
Ya want fries with that?
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| posted March 09, 1999 01:33 PM
Sorry, Zanatar, that wasn't meant to be personal 'cept the question.
After all someone with that attitude wouldn't be congratulating
their English, would they? Please accept me appologies.
just pinting out that the majority of people, at least in Engalnd,
have that attitude. I just get fed up hearing people saying things
like 'Should learn to speak properly', when a they hear people
speaking a foriegn language.
And I wouldn't tak e offence if
anyone started using their native tongue, it is their birthright,
| posted March 09, 1999 01:56 PM
Exactly Jyre, I`m with you 100% at that.
I still feel though, that you misunderstand my original
statement. By my complimenting them on their use of English, isn`t
at all suppose to come across as my indicating that they should not
have spoken in their language. (Actually I would encourage anyone
who wants to, to start a thread in another language. I wouldn`t be
able to follow it, but that`s ok, maybe I`ll learn something)
was simply acknowledging the fact that I was impressed with their
I don`t think there is any insult in someone
complementing another`s usage of a language.
The fact that they are not speaking English as their 1st official
language, and to be speaking as good as they are is
My god there are people here in Canada, (and I`m sure
in the States as well) who have never spoken or written in any other
language other then English, and can`t speak or write nearly as good
as Andman and Boreal.
Myself included, being born French speaking, I didn`t learn
English until I was six , and I remember it was hard. English is not
the easiest language to learn.
Anyhow, I`m just talking for the sake of talking, I apologize if
my comment came across any other way, other then my actual intent.
Which was simply that I was impressed.
Nothing more was meant by
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| posted March 09, 1999 02:45 PM
I understood your comment, it's just that Andman used the word
'offended' and it kind of set me off.
I think I'll shut up now
before I get everything even more confused
| posted March 09, 1999 04:07 PM
For the record Zanatar i went to Montreal a couple years ago and was
so totally baffled (since i only speak English and understand a
little spanish) that i decided to try and learn french in case i
ever went back LOL if i wasn't visiting a friend who was translating
a lot of stuff it wouldn't have been nearly as much fun =]
I'm all for speaking your own language if it's easier for ya =]
but we'd all be confused and not be able to comment hehe
| posted March 09, 1999 04:27 PM
Heh, heh, and commenting is the best part.
Besides, look at Cadefel, he`s speaking an entirely different
dialect from an entirely different time. heheheh
| posted March 09, 1999 05:05 PM
Thanks for the compliments Zanatar, one never gets enough of those!
Most Finns and Scandinavians speak English pretty well, especially
the young people. I've met English speaking foreigners that are
staying in Finland and are trying to learn a bit of our language.
These people have told me that this is nearly impossible because
everytime they try to start a conversation in Finnish the person
they are talking to switches to English!
In my opinion it is the best solution that everyone on this board
posts in English.
I have nothing against people using other
languages if they want to but for the sake of practicality, I feel
that sticking with one language is for the best.
| posted March 09, 1999 07:21 PM
There are separate Usenet groups dedicated to game discussions in
(Dømrade tjueradder! Allesammen!)
Larris, the Magpie "Millions of spiritual Creatures
walk the Earth unseen,
both when we wake
and when we sleep." --John Milton, Paradise Lost
| posted March 10, 1999 03:58 AM
Wow, I was only asking for a url (thanks Linda), not for a big
discussion about languages, but since you people seem to enjoy it I
won`t stop ya.
Why people from the Northern cold, snowy, and icebear filled
countries talk English is probably because of all the movies and
computer games. And of course, the much hated (at least by me)
I have yet to see any good games with norwegian speech.
Thief translated to norwegian. Now
that would have been a good laugh. (Kom her din dømrade tjueradd, så
skal du få smake sverd!)
A gamecompany from Norway called Funcom are working on some
interesting things. Maybe they will make norwegian versions of their
| posted March 10, 1999 08:33 AM
"Come here, thief! Taste my sword!" That it?
I realize that I'm in a much better position than you, because I
could actually choose the language of the game. I picked up the
German version and, much as I love English, I haven't regretted it.
The dubbing is simply great!
Is there any software localized into Norwegian or Finnish, etc.?
I can imagine that it would have been too expensive to dub the game,
but a Swedish DOS maybe?
Anyway, I believe that there is no need to make this forum
English exclusive. If you want to be understood by most of us, say
it in English, but otherwise post whatever you can type in. I like
to spice up my messages with a bit of local colour, and would like
you to do the same. This is a chance to meet people from all over
the Western world (and we've even had an Indian in the chat), so why
not share our cultural backgrounds and work against these ancient
As you can see from some of the signatures, sayings and metaphors
(in English) can be understood by most people, even if they've never
heard them before. The same is true for metonymies, which can be
incorporated in the text. Give us your metonymies!
Those who ha' w' Garrett bled
| posted March 10, 1999 09:33 AM
Personally I would stay away from any games dubbed into my main
language, swedish, mainly because there simply isnt any good
voicetalent over here. There has been a few games in Swedish that I
know of, such as Cryo's Atlantis and The Ring but I havent played
any of these. Hmm... I wonder how Thief would sound in Swedish...
| posted March 10, 1999 04:59 PM
am i the only one who has no idea wtf this means?
FYI, there's an online game called NetStorm that has several
scandinavian players, if you're interested. still, the game is only
in english AFAIK.
I remember one time I convinced like 2 of 'em
that I knew some Swedish (I think it was Swedish) by typing out
things I saw on the cover to the Swedish version of The Wheel of
Time (i have pictures of the covers on my machine for one reason or
another). real good series... maybe that's what we should do between
Thief 1 and 2 .
| posted March 10, 1999 06:19 PM
Your comments are welcome and laudable ("the day I do
visit another`s beautiful country, you can bet I will only speak in
whatever language that country is speaking")...
but impractical. Particularly in Northern Europe where everyone
speaks excellent English (and in particular the Dutch who seem to
speak in whatever language comes up in the conversation).
foolish youth I had the same attitude, and actually learned survival
Thai and Korean when I traveled there. Just showing that you made
the effort generally goes a long way, but the odds are good that
their English will be better than your (fill-in-the-blank).
for crissakes, isn't three languages enough already?? :-o
| posted March 10, 1999 06:33 PM
What languages do you all speak?
Quelles langues est ce que vous
W jakich jezykach wy gadacie?
sory aboot any mystaiks...
Life must be understood backwards, but it
must be lived forwards...
| posted March 10, 1999 08:06 PM
Three languages? That’s barely a start!
Metonymy is the basis of word production. A table doesn’t really
have any legs, yet we say so. Or think of a live wire, a computer
mouse, leaves of a book, web pages, etc.
Koobze, is that Polish?
Those who ha' w' Garrett bled
| posted March 10, 1999 09:41 PM
heehee... Kyloe mentioned polish, and i had this thought... i have
all kinds of non-english music (mostly on the computer) - french,
german, russian, polish, and spanish (that's it, i think). i like
listening to the stuff, actually (and i really like French poetry,
but that's beside the point), even that which i don't understand.
most other languages that i listen to just have a flow that's
difficult to match in English, for the most part (altough, IMHO, the
eastern european languages are a bit harsh - for some reason,
though, german doesn't strike me as so).
and i speak decent
english, bad french, and less-than-kindergarten level german. and a
touch of Hebrew. and i'm one of the less language inclined
people on this board .
| posted March 11, 1999 04:03 AM
Other than the cant, mye real second language is Mandarin Chinese.
Ni shuo bu shuo Zhongwen?
But it don't look right this way. No tone marks fer the pinyin,
let alone characters.
Great post all the same, Aye've enjoyed readin it. As fer
travellin ter places and speakin the local cant let me say it were
damned essential in the back country o'China were Aye lived. Some
o'the cities were ok fer most folks, but Aye can't imagine what it
must o'been like fer people travellin in the areas Aye went. At
least Aye could read the signs and communicate through writing if
Aye couldn't follow the dialect (Did Cadfael hisself say "follow the
dialect?" Har). Yer knows that Chinese writing were unified in the
3rd century BC, and other than a bit o'simplification in the PRC any
dialect is written the same. Thank the builder's bottom fer that, as
whats left is bloody hard enough.
PS. Mye granny were Annie Anderson, and Swedish were her
first language though she were born in
Hist and Ho
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| posted March 11, 1999 04:33 AM
Sure, make me feel bad. Being fourth generation Texan on one side,
and third on the other, I'm not even sure I speak English anymore.
Although after three grueling years of German, I can occasionally
identify a word or two.
Pilfer, Lacking that Linguistic Gene
| posted March 11, 1999 08:47 AM
Good translation there Kyloe, although you missed on a couple of
words. I dont know excactly what to call it in english, but I guess
it would be something like "Come here, damn thief, and taste
| posted March 11, 1999 10:28 AM
At school, I started with Latin, then English, and after that some
years Italian. I was able to understand written French, but that is
Maybe the starting with Latin did cause my English being so
But it improved my logical thinking.
| posted March 11, 1999 03:31 PM
"Knowledge is power. Words bring knowledge. Those who are selfish
garner that power in spite. Those who share their words do gain
unity and in unity we do gain strength and in that unity we do find
new knowledge and so our power grows whilst the selfish doth wither
Just thought I'd share that.
I'm beginning to feel inadiquate. I know a little French and some
German but my main interest is Old English. It's amazing how much
the language has changed. Reading it is tough though. But definately
worth while. (I do profess an interest in history -medievil and
You learnt Latin, Lthya!? From what little I've
heard that is hard.
| posted March 11, 1999 03:56 PM
Coot: Oh I agree, three languages is more then enough. It`s not that
hard to pick up three though. You start young with two languages,
and add a third later. (at least that`s what happened in my
It`s not like I went out and said, "I need to learn 3
languages". It just happened.
Born French Canadian, raised in an
English speaking city, and marrying a Spanish wife.
So I really
didn`t have a choice.
I also wouldn`t purpously go out and learn a 4th language either,
but whenever I do get the opotunity to visit say Germany (as an
example), I`d like to make an attempt to at least try and get by
using German while I`m there. I certainly wouldn`t be looking to
fluently speak the language.
| posted March 11, 1999 03:59 PM
If it is your first language, and if you are only 10 years old,
Latin is not such difficult. #) And you dont have to speak it, you
must only translate the texts.
My greatest problem with living languages is indeed the speaking
part. Easiest is understanding written texts, next easy is the
understanding of spoken language. Then come the difficult parts of
writing and at least speaking the language. At least, this is
my list of problems with living languages. #)
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| posted March 11, 1999 04:37 PM
W3 U5 P30P13 5P33K 3NG1I5H R331 G00D!!!111!!!
Sorry... Knee jerk sarcsm... I must have been channeling the
spirit of WAR3Z past or something...
Does Pascal count as a second language? Java? err... Geek?
Sigh, I feel like a complete bozo because I only speak English
(and can't really spell it too well...)(I remember enough Spanish to
say 'Yo no hablo espanol') It's a problem with the US school system,
I think. (Although my sister speaks German pretty well...) That and
'we Americans' can be a touch arrogant.
At least I don't speak in ALL CAPS at the people who can't speak
Zirnike, Learning Klingon as a second language
| posted March 11, 1999 04:48 PM
Kyloe: yes it is polish... how did you know?
| posted March 11, 1999 04:57 PM
haha Zirnike..most americans don't speak any more spanish than "yo
quero taco bell?" LOL
I worked at Disney world for a year so i picked up some spanish
and a little of other stuff..enough to tell people where the
bathrooms were or something..but they really appreciate the effort
rather than trying to draw maps or use sign language.
I refuse to learn spanish fluently tho..i think it's an awful
sounding language (no offense to any spanish speakers) just not for
me =] if i had the patience i'd like to learn some french or german
| posted March 12, 1999 01:10 AM
interesting, Andman, that a lot of those were almost English
cognates, if you kinda know what to look for.
lytha - was Maybe the starting with Latin did cause my English
being so crappy on purpose?
heehee... and i didn't know anyone spoke Latin as a 1st language any
Ghost - I agree with you there. IMHO, both German and French
sound good (in very different ways), but for some reason, I
personally don't like the sound of spanish. *shrug*
Jyre - where's that quote from? I like it.
| posted March 12, 1999 11:28 AM
Ghost: Actually French and Spanish sound quite similar. It`s amazing
the similarites between the two. They may not sound quite the same,
but if you analyze the two languages, you`d see many words that are
And don`t forget ..spanish is the language of love. (whatever
| posted March 12, 1999 12:38 PM
Koobze: I live in Berlin. You can spit to Poland from here (not that
I ever would).
Those who ha' w' Garrett bled