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Ithel
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posted April 11, 1999 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ithel     Edit Message
Maybe I'm taking this all a bit too seriously, but I'm really bothered by one of the paintings hanging on various walls of Thief. I get the sense that I've seen it somewhere before, like one of the pre-Raphaelites painted it or something. It's a portrait of a lady (had to say it!) with her head tilted to one side. Anyone out there recognize it? Are any of the other paintings taken from "real" life?

Ninja
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posted April 11, 1999 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ninja   Click Here to Email Ninja     Edit Message
I think you'll find that a lot of them are based on RL paintings. Can't give you specifics, but I know I've seen a couple of them before.

Kyloe
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posted April 12, 1999 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyloe   Click Here to Email Kyloe     Edit Message
Good question Ithel! Most of the files are called „ripoff#.gif", which hints at their origin. One is even called „Davinci.gif". Here’s my list:
banner5.gif
banner6.gif
Davinci.gif
Intrude.gif
Paint1.gif
Picnic.gif
ripoff1.gif
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ripoff16.gif

„Ripoff11.gif" looks like Salisbury Cathedral. It’s a little different from Constable’s painting as far as I know it, but he’s done a number of versions. „Ripoff12.gif" looks like a Constable, too. And I’m sure I’ve seen „ripoff2.gif", a skull, before.
The picture you mean is probably „ripoff9.gif". It looks like one of those paintings that are often called pre-Raphaelite, but I don’t think it’s the real thing - probably younger. Could be a Waterhouse.

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Kyloe
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posted April 14, 1999 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyloe   Click Here to Email Kyloe     Edit Message
What? No arts experts on the forum?

Ithel
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posted April 15, 1999 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ithel     Edit Message
Kyloe--Thanks for the info. I've been checking on the Waterhouse connection, but I haven't been able to find a similar painting by him. Do you think the design team used actual paintings unchanged, or did they use actual paintings as models for their own work? Obviously some of the game paintings are the original work of LG (the Master Builder defeating the Trickster, for example) although many of them seem to have been modified from religious iconography. I can't believe no one here can identify these paintings--fess up!!

Ithel
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posted April 23, 1999 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ithel     Edit Message
C'mon....someone here must know art!!! Didn't the Keepers teach you anything about art appreciation and art history? I issue a challenge. Reward? Uh....personal satisfaction....um...my undying gratitude...and..oh yeah!...the honorary title of Master Pedant.

The Challenge: identify the paintings--by title and artist--in the art gallery on the first floor of Ramirez's place.

[he who slept through the lecture on art at the Keepers' School of Artful Dodging]

mokkis
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posted April 23, 1999 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mokkis   Click Here to Email mokkis     Edit Message
Yeah! Maybe Monalisa would be good on the
wall in the Constantines mansion
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Kyloe
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posted April 25, 1999 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyloe   Click Here to Email Kyloe     Edit Message
I've been checking the Arts History section in our Languages library, but I couldn't find anything. I couldn't even verify the Constable (although I'm pretty sure here). As soon as I find the time (tomorrow maybe) I'm going to check the real Arts History library at my uni.
To tell you the truth, Ithel, I never really believed the lady was a Waterhouse. It was just a wild guess. Another would be Albert Moore. But I guess he used different colours.
Agreed, the painting looks a bit pre-Raphaelite, but it lacks that angelic feel, the setting is more antique than medieval, and the colours should be more technicolor. That's why I think it was done much later, near the Fin de Siècle or Art Nouveau period. Guess I have to expand my search beyond English painters.
I'm so glad LGS put the paintings in; they add much to the atmosphere.
BTW, Bafford's is not a good place to watch 'the lady' - she's upside down there!

Ithel
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posted April 25, 1999 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ithel     Edit Message
I have to agree, Kyloe--the paintings really add quite a bit to the game. All the paintings interest me, but it's that one of the woman that stirs up vague memories. I'll have to check our library, too.

Mokkis--you're right! I never noticed how much Victoria resembles the Mona Lisa! uh..sorta.

Catalyst
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posted April 25, 1999 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalyst   Click Here to Email Catalyst     Edit Message
Something interesting about the paintings in Constantine's mansion the second time through: All of them have been battered or ripped off the wall except the Builder warding off the Trickster, which remains untouched.

Ithel
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posted April 25, 1999 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ithel     Edit Message
I hadn't noticed that. That IS strange!! Why would that be left on the wall? I would think it would be the first one to go, wouldn't you?

Lytha
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posted April 26, 1999 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lytha   Click Here to Email Lytha     Edit Message
Well... I see Constantine sitting in this room. He sits on the coffin-formed wooden bench. He stares at this special painting. His hate increases. His hate grows into a frenzy. He raises to his feet, and goes out to destroy the vain Hammers.

I had absolutly no problem to understand that this painting was not on the floor.

Jennie
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posted April 26, 1999 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jennie   Click Here to Email Jennie     Edit Message
Or maybe he can't touch it?

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Tommyboy
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posted April 26, 1999 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tommyboy   Click Here to Email Tommyboy     Edit Message
Hey, if the Trickster hates the painting so much, and he can't touch it or put it away...then why the hell did he(or some servant) put it up in the first place, huh?
That would be the real question.

Lytha
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posted April 26, 1999 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lytha   Click Here to Email Lytha     Edit Message
Because he wanted to remember himself to the fact how huge his hate against the Hammerites was.
Not everyone tries to forget nasty things - some people tend to remember them, to become obsessive about them.

It has something to do with the word: "Put a finger into the open wound." Or with the sick action "Turn the arrow around, when it is in the wound."

It is a sick behaviour, but some people act so.

Jennie
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posted April 26, 1999 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jennie   Click Here to Email Jennie     Edit Message
Or it was misdirection.

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Tim toddles over and hits the spacebar...arghh! (born 4/10/98 and already helping Mom with her computer).

CardinalFang
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posted April 26, 1999 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalFang   Click Here to Email CardinalFang     Edit Message
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Thief show. I'm your host, Cardinal Fang, and thank you all for joining us. Well, let's get started. Today's guest is Mr. Constantine, AKA Trickster, AKA Satan, AKA The Devil, AKA Prince of Darkness, AKA... well, you get the picture.

Our first question to Mr. Constantine is, "Why the heck do you have that painting in your mansion, anyway?"

Constantine:"What, the Trickster one?"

CF: "Yes, that one."

Constantine: "Well, Fang, by putting that painting in my mansion, I'm mocking the Hammerites. I'm saying "As if that would ever happen." By putting it in a place where I can sit and admire it, you can tell that I'm highly amused at the Hammerites' pathetic attempt to defeat me through a painting. Such religious rubbish!

If I were actually scared of the Hammerites, I would of course destroy such a painting and/or hide it. But I'm one powerful, arrogant, evil SOB, and seeing such a painting just causes me to break out into an amused evil chuckle.

Now, Fang, I couldn't help but notice what attractive eyes you have... mmmm (licks lips)..."

CF: "Uhh... er, um, thank you Mr. Constantine (backs away slowly while readying Constantine's sword), that's all we have time for today. See you all next week when we interview Viktoria about her bizarre perversions involving grapefruits and chickens."

CardinalFang

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The Magpie
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posted April 26, 1999 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Magpie   Click Here to Email The Magpie     Edit Message
LOL!

I must say the good Cardinal has a certain talent...

I'd say Barak put up the painting and that it was already there when Constantine moved in.

Keep on searching for art sources, guys... I'm very interested myself.

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Larris, the Magpie

Jennie
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posted April 26, 1999 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jennie   Click Here to Email Jennie     Edit Message
Clapping.

I think you got it CF!

Coot
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posted April 27, 1999 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coot     Edit Message
I am going to try to give my best analysis of the period and or painter for the ones I know. This is based on the list provided by Kyloe.
Unfortunately I do not have the books (or the time or the knowledge) to do in-depth research, but if somebody does please let me know if my guesses are correct!

Banner5 and Banner6 are definitely Late Gothic stuff -- they look a lot like the works of Giotto and Duccio though I unfortunately do not have anything exhaustive on either. Say 13th to early 14th century ; possibly as late as early fifteenth but if so not by anyone good...

I think the one called "Davinci" is by ... Anyway I don't have the name of the work yet.

"Intrude: looks like it could be by one of the more fantastic Renaissance era painters like Bosch, but it is so small I can't make an accurate guess.

"Paint1" appears to have been done for the game.

"Picnic" is basically a modern cartoon on a classic theme. Maybe it is by somebody famous but I wouldn't know.

"Ripoff1" is a baroque still life from the Low Countries, probably 17th century or a bit later.

"Ripoff2" is KILLING me and will continue to do so until I remember who did it.

"Ripoff3" is by Caravaggio, who is my favorite all time painter and deserves beatification if not deification.

"Ripoff4" I'm still thinking about. I would put it in the 17th-18th century, Dutch or French. I am trying to find a book that has the larger work (this is only a piece of a huge battle scene if I recall correctly).

"Ripoff5", "Ripoff8", "Ripoff10", "Ripoff13", "Ripoff14" are fantasy / comic book / modern graphic art stuff and I have no idea.

"Ripoff6" is I think a Vermeer but I could be wrong. I would place it in the High to Late Renaissance ; it couldn't be later (Mannerist) because the colors are too sombre (I think).

"Ripoff7" is ... some lady in black. I think it's Spanish and Baroque but I'm not sure.

"Ripoff9" is just so VERY turn of the century. No idea who.

"Ripoff11" is unknown to me and I will bow to the wisom of those who call it Salisbury Cathedral.

"Ripoff12" looks like a baroque landscape, similar to some Rembrandts.

"Ripoff15" is a famous Early to High Renaissance portrait (characterized by a random square window in the background with an arbitrary bit of landscape and architecture -- this was all the rage for a while with portrait painters).

"Ripoff16" idem.

I think I may figure these out given more time, but this is the best I can do.

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