||Topic: identify paintings |
| posted April 11, 1999 03:33 PM
Maybe I'm taking this all a bit too seriously, but I'm really
bothered by one of the paintings hanging on various walls of Thief.
I get the sense that I've seen it somewhere before, like one of the
pre-Raphaelites painted it or something. It's a portrait of a lady
(had to say it!) with her head tilted to one side. Anyone out there
recognize it? Are any of the other paintings taken from "real"
| posted April 11, 1999 09:22 PM
I think you'll find that a lot of them are based on RL paintings.
Can't give you specifics, but I know I've seen a couple of them
| posted April 12, 1999 06:46 PM
Good question Ithel! Most of the files are called „ripoff#.gif",
which hints at their origin. One is even called „Davinci.gif".
„Ripoff11.gif" looks like Salisbury Cathedral. It’s a little
different from Constable’s painting as far as I know it, but he’s
done a number of versions. „Ripoff12.gif" looks like a Constable,
too. And I’m sure I’ve seen „ripoff2.gif", a skull, before.
picture you mean is probably „ripoff9.gif". It looks like one of
those paintings that are often called pre-Raphaelite, but I don’t
think it’s the real thing - probably younger. Could be a
Those who ha' w' Garrett bled
| posted April 14, 1999 08:24 AM
What? No arts experts on the forum?
| posted April 15, 1999 09:47 PM
Kyloe--Thanks for the info. I've been checking on the Waterhouse
connection, but I haven't been able to find a similar painting by
him. Do you think the design team used actual paintings unchanged,
or did they use actual paintings as models for their own work?
Obviously some of the game paintings are the original work of LG
(the Master Builder defeating the Trickster, for example) although
many of them seem to have been modified from religious iconography.
I can't believe no one here can identify these paintings--fess up!!
| posted April 23, 1999 09:47 AM
C'mon....someone here must know art!!! Didn't the Keepers teach you
anything about art appreciation and art history? I issue a
challenge. Reward? Uh....personal satisfaction....um...my undying
gratitude...and..oh yeah!...the honorary title of Master Pedant.
The Challenge: identify the paintings--by title and artist--in
the art gallery on the first floor of Ramirez's place.
[he who slept through the lecture on art at the Keepers' School
of Artful Dodging]
| posted April 23, 1999 10:25 AM
Yeah! Maybe Monalisa would be good on the
wall in the
Well done Mika Salo by your BAR
job and HONDA test driver place
| posted April 25, 1999 10:51 AM
I've been checking the Arts History section in our Languages
library, but I couldn't find anything. I couldn't even verify the
Constable (although I'm pretty sure here). As soon as I find the
time (tomorrow maybe) I'm going to check the real Arts History
library at my uni.
To tell you the truth, Ithel, I never really
believed the lady was a Waterhouse. It was just a wild guess.
Another would be Albert Moore. But I guess he used different
Agreed, the painting looks a bit pre-Raphaelite, but it
lacks that angelic feel, the setting is more antique than medieval,
and the colours should be more technicolor. That's why I think it
was done much later, near the Fin de Siècle or Art Nouveau period.
Guess I have to expand my search beyond English painters.
glad LGS put the paintings in; they add much to the atmosphere.
BTW, Bafford's is not a good place to watch 'the lady' - she's
upside down there!
| posted April 25, 1999 11:27 PM
I have to agree, Kyloe--the paintings really add quite a bit to the
game. All the paintings interest me, but it's that one of the woman
that stirs up vague memories. I'll have to
check our library, too.
Mokkis--you're right! I never
noticed how much Victoria resembles the Mona Lisa! uh..sorta.
| posted April 25, 1999 11:43 PM
Something interesting about the paintings in Constantine's mansion
the second time through: All of them have been battered or ripped
off the wall except the Builder warding off the Trickster, which
| posted April 25, 1999 11:48 PM
I hadn't noticed that. That IS strange!! Why would that be left on
the wall? I would think it would be the first one to go, wouldn't
| posted April 26, 1999 09:22 AM
Well... I see Constantine sitting in this room. He sits on the
coffin-formed wooden bench. He stares at this special painting. His
hate increases. His hate grows into a frenzy. He raises to his feet,
and goes out to destroy the vain Hammers.
I had absolutly no problem to understand that this painting was
not on the floor.
| posted April 26, 1999 12:21 PM
Or maybe he can't touch it?
Tim toddles over and hits the
spacebar...arghh! (born 4/10/98 and already helping Mom with her
| posted April 26, 1999 02:48 PM
Hey, if the Trickster hates the painting so much, and he can't touch
it or put it away...then why the hell did he(or some servant) put it
up in the first place, huh?
That would be the real
| posted April 26, 1999 03:19 PM
Because he wanted to remember himself to the fact how huge his hate
against the Hammerites was.
Not everyone tries to forget nasty
things - some people tend to remember them, to become obsessive
It has something to do with the word: "Put a finger into the open
wound." Or with the sick action "Turn the arrow around, when it is
in the wound."
It is a sick behaviour, but some people act so.
| posted April 26, 1999 03:57 PM
Or it was misdirection.
Tim toddles over and hits the
spacebar...arghh! (born 4/10/98 and already helping Mom with her
| posted April 26, 1999 04:11 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Thief show. I'm your host,
Cardinal Fang, and thank you all for joining us. Well, let's get
started. Today's guest is Mr. Constantine, AKA Trickster, AKA Satan,
AKA The Devil, AKA Prince of Darkness, AKA... well, you get the
Our first question to Mr. Constantine is, "Why the heck do you
have that painting in your mansion, anyway?"
Constantine:"What, the Trickster one?"
CF: "Yes, that one."
Constantine: "Well, Fang, by putting that painting in my mansion,
I'm mocking the Hammerites. I'm saying "As if that would ever
happen." By putting it in a place where I can sit and admire it, you
can tell that I'm highly amused at the Hammerites' pathetic attempt
to defeat me through a painting. Such religious rubbish!
If I were actually scared of the Hammerites, I would of
course destroy such a painting and/or hide it. But I'm one powerful,
arrogant, evil SOB, and seeing such a painting just causes me to
break out into an amused evil chuckle.
Now, Fang, I couldn't help but notice what attractive eyes you
have... mmmm (licks lips)..."
CF: "Uhh... er, um, thank you Mr. Constantine (backs away slowly
while readying Constantine's sword), that's all we have time for
today. See you all next week when we interview Viktoria about her
bizarre perversions involving grapefruits and chickens."
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| posted April 26, 1999 04:27 PM
I must say the good Cardinal has a certain talent...
I'd say Barak put up the painting and that it was already there
when Constantine moved in.
Keep on searching for art sources, guys... I'm very interested
Larris, the Magpie
| posted April 26, 1999 04:54 PM
I think you got it CF!
| posted April 27, 1999 08:16 AM
I am going to try to give my best analysis of the period and or
painter for the ones I know. This is based on the list provided by
Unfortunately I do not have the books (or the time or the
knowledge) to do in-depth research, but if somebody does please let
me know if my guesses are correct!
Banner5 and Banner6 are definitely Late Gothic stuff -- they look
a lot like the works of Giotto and Duccio though I unfortunately do
not have anything exhaustive on either. Say 13th to early 14th
century ; possibly as late as early fifteenth but if so not by
I think the one called "Davinci" is by ... Anyway I don't have
the name of the work yet.
"Intrude: looks like it could be by one of the more fantastic
Renaissance era painters like Bosch, but it is so small I can't make
an accurate guess.
"Paint1" appears to have been done for the game.
"Picnic" is basically a modern cartoon on a classic theme. Maybe
it is by somebody famous but I wouldn't know.
"Ripoff1" is a baroque still life from the Low Countries,
probably 17th century or a bit later.
"Ripoff2" is KILLING me and will continue to do so until I
remember who did it.
"Ripoff3" is by Caravaggio, who is my favorite all time painter
and deserves beatification if not deification.
"Ripoff4" I'm still thinking about. I would put it in the
17th-18th century, Dutch or French. I am trying to find a book that
has the larger work (this is only a piece of a huge battle scene if
I recall correctly).
"Ripoff5", "Ripoff8", "Ripoff10", "Ripoff13", "Ripoff14" are
fantasy / comic book / modern graphic art stuff and I have no idea.
"Ripoff6" is I think a Vermeer but I could be wrong. I would
place it in the High to Late Renaissance ; it couldn't be later
(Mannerist) because the colors are too sombre (I think).
"Ripoff7" is ... some lady in black. I think it's Spanish and
Baroque but I'm not sure.
"Ripoff9" is just so VERY turn of the century. No idea who.
"Ripoff11" is unknown to me and I will bow to the wisom of those
who call it Salisbury Cathedral.
"Ripoff12" looks like a baroque landscape, similar to some
"Ripoff15" is a famous Early to High Renaissance portrait
(characterized by a random square window in the background with an
arbitrary bit of landscape and architecture -- this was all the rage
for a while with portrait painters).
I think I may figure these out given more time, but this is the
best I can do.