LGS's Forgotten Creatures Project

Hello my Fellows!

I saw a video about many creatures that LGS wanted to put in Thief's World but which have been finaly removed for some reasons.
Then, I, Firemage, has suddenly get somekind of quest: To recreate these creatures! For Thief, For LGS AND FOR YOU!! ;)

Warning! The creatures models will be moved to Thief Repository with complete tutorial in order to make their setting easier for you plus avoiding any dying links issues since Mediafire tend to remove some files for unknown reasons. Some links may be disabled during the moving so no worries. :)

Creatures made:

-Cobraman
-Sweel (or sewer Eel)
-Sweel Version 2
-Flying Apparition
-Albinos Spider
-High Polys Constantine's guards and monkeys
-Constantine's Guards and monkeys V2
-Spiderdemon
-Original Bug Beast
-Old Zombies Pack
-Old Forgotten Guards
-High Polys Craymen and their antenna
-Oger
-New Hammerites Kit (Dressed Priest, Heavy Hammerite and Arbalester)
-Ramirez and his guards
-High Polys 'Official' Bugbeast


Forgotten Creatures made by other fans:

-LarryG's Armored Skeleton
-Dark Arrow's Ogers

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Problems with links?
Mirrors available here with all models:

http://darkfate.org/view/details/fil...es_project.zip

Many thanks to Zoro and Clearing for this! ;)

This Version of the Cobraman is Obsolete however I'll keep it here in case you liked it for some reason! Get the newest version via the link in the list above!
Because I found the time (ouf! That's rare these days because of my studies ^^"), I have started with my first challenge in that mission: The cobraman!


Here how it work for the moment! ;)
All details are in the video description:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py-l...ature=youtu.be

Have a nice movie! :)

Anthrophied Cobra available:

http://download1478.mediafire.com/y7...mesh_cobra.zip

Additionnal note:

-Because me and Gigagooga havn't find (yet) an issue to fix it, I have decided to publish the athorphied version (the cobra shown in the video).
It use the Treebeast motion... I must warn you, there is a dead animation which show it in a curious pose... - -''
Updates may happen... but for the moment, nothing is sure so... I cannot make any promises about it...

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Originally Posted by FireMage

-I had some problems with the motions for unknown reason, all helps are welcome! At least for the arms... :/

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You mean you have the motion files for it already, but didn't get them to work?

Very cool idea!

The sweel is one that I've often wished for.

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From The Dark Wiki

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he sweel is an aquatic creature that was never implemented into the Thief universe. In early concept sketches, it has the appearance of a very long-bodied rodent with large whiskers and tiny limbs. The name is derived from the root eel, while "sw" may be an abbreviation for sewer. The design was apparently rejected very early in development and has no known mesh data or sound files. Some attempts have been made to create a usable sweel for fan missions, but with limited effectiveness

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also ref. Sweels Live! (sort of) started by Shadowspawn

Given the lack of motions, it may be possible that it was intended to be a submerged variant of the rat, and animated via models tweqs. I don't know, but having an aquatic denizen to avoid would be great!

This thread likely was initiated because of these videos that were posted over in ThiefGen, so I'll post them here too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI3FyQ4_Lz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1h3SWbOUh8

I definately want there to be a ghoul just like the one in the ghoul video! Please make it :laff:
It just looks so spooky and would work well in a horror mission, actually it was intended to be in one of the unreleased thief 2 gold missions "Waking The Dead" but it never got to be finished which is a shame but it would be great if you could recreate the ghouls model and motions from that video :thumb:

Hi! ^^

So:

My motion problem: I havn't made my custom motions yet. The cobra's problem is the next: Arms and Tail are "Athrophied", it steel refuse to be affected by movement... That do that weird effect of flying beast.... At least, I don't mind if I can't resolve the tail problem, it is not so shocking, but the arms need to work...
I'll try my best to resolve it! ;)

About the sweel, when I saw it, I immeditely notice one thing: It texture is the current texture used for the rat! Just look at it, you'll see! :D
I have an idea to create it with success... I just have to do some test on it... hmm... (Cross fingers ^^)

SneakyGuy: I don't need to work about these two creature: they EXIST in your mesh.crf!!! Only their motions need to be created. ;) But it will be very hard to do so, I'll surely do it once I'll finish all the other creature first! :) Motions are too hard to build... :/

Their name: ghoul01.bin ghoul02.bin and skelo1.bin

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Once I'll make cobra's arm working, I'll do some custom motion/voice/footsteps for it.
Then, I'll do the spiderdemon...(Very challenging, is anybody here who tried to create a guard with four arms? Because that's what I'll try to do! XD)
And, the Sweel!

Then... Outch... "The blur"... I'll send a special thanks to newdark because according to it concept art... It is supposed to be like a cameleon... That will be very hard... But with material, that should do it...

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Originally Posted by FireMage

SneakyGuy: I don't need to work about these two creature: they EXIST in your mesh.crf!!! Only their motions need to be created. ;) But it will be very hard to do so, I'll surely do it once I'll finish all the other creature first! :) Motions are too hard to build... :/

Their name: ghoul01.bin ghoul02.bin and skelo1.bin

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Those files are not in my mesh.crf, if they're in yours perhaps they were only in the European release of T2? Could you upload them if you have them? We need the .cal files with the same names too if they're there.

You don't have it? Incredible!!

Okay, I'll send you the file ;)

EDIT: HWG: http://download1654.mediafire.com/o6...3dtf6/mesh.zip

EDIT2: Yandros: A little hint from me who tried everything (XD) If you have a "Biped" creature, using another "Biped" creature's cal file will work! ^^
For exemple: If you take a guard's .cal file, that you change the name for a "cal file"-less servant model, it will work perfectly! ;)

Curiouser and curiouser, they aren't in my UK version of mesh.crf

I have a CD collector version. Dromed and all unstripped mission are in the disc. Is it because of this? I don't know! But fortunately, thanks to this, now, everybody is able to get these meshes! ;)

Please, Mirror the Zip! I'm sure that many people will be fond of it now! ^^

I'll mirror it up on my site later tonight, bundled with some renamed .cal files so people don't have to do that themselves. Now if we can eventually get the motions, or similar ones, it will be even better. Thanks Jordan!

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Originally Posted by FireMage

About the sweel, when I saw it, I immeditely notice one thing: It texture is the current texture used for the rat! Just look at it, you'll see! :D
I have an idea to create it with success... I just have to do some test on it... hmm... (Cross fingers ^^)

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What?? You have a Sweel bin also?

It sounds like the devs cleaned off their hard drives for the Collector's Edition! I'm going to have to try and find it somewhere.

Anyway, the archive Jordan put up already has .e and .cal files in it for the skeleton and both ghoul meshes, which is awesome! I'm going to try them out tonight with various actor tags. I'm hosting it here: http://www.wearytaffer.com/storage/o...houl_Skele.zip


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I just checked out the skeleton in game, and while it's cool, it's not nearly as hi poly or nice looking as the animation in the video, which was probably done in Max. If any modelers want to improve the mesh and/or texture, I'll be happy to host it. Same goes for the ghouls.

I was thinking about adding an armored skeleton to my hi-poly skeleton AI collection. I'll take a look and see if I can do something that looks sort of like the LGS but with more details. Were there special motions for them? The video makes it seem so.

No, Jordan's package contained no motion schemas or files. Looking again at the animations in the video, I suspect that was all rendered in Max or some other program, so the motions shown in the video might never have existed in Dark format.

I've looked at the ghouls now, and the UV mapping is a complete mess. They're pretty much unusable without some tweaks, or probably a complete redo. The head looks OK but the body is all wrong.

It would be interesting to scour that disk some more and see if there's any other goodies on there. The ghoul was supposed to be for Thief 2 Gold, so there might be other T2G assets on there.

Edit: Firemage, I couldn't find a Thief "Collector's CD" - do you possibly mean the Thief Collection, that includes the first 3 thief games in one package?

Perhaps the two creatures in the video have been improved for the show... Or that my disk contain their old versions...

My disk is classed "Premier Collection" I don't know if there is an english version of such thing or if it is typically french.
I looked at many things in the goodies, but no motions... :/ I saw that in motion.crf, there a VERY LARGE AMOUNT of unused motions, I don't know if these motions exist in it... And as Yandros, seeing how the light and the motion are HD, I suspect this video to have been made with 3DSmax... Even if we could "rebuild" these motions by observing them from the video... but it won't be easy if there is nobody to fix Motion Workshop... The mannequin show the Torso, the head and the legs position correctly, but arm's positions are not correctly shown that force the users to imagine how that could be in game...

I'll try my best, don't worry!

About my Cobraman, I'm in a deadend... if I touch something, everything become ugly... So... hehe... I think that I'll keep it like this... but if someone is volunteer to help me... I'll send him the 3DS file for investigations, I just want the arms working better !! ^^"

Because I noticed that more people want it, I'm working on the Sweel model!! Be patient for the video, because it will need some motion to do (It's an eerl after all)

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Originally Posted by FireMage

The mannequin show the Torso, the head and the legs position correctly, but arm's positions are not correctly shown that force the users to imagine how that could be in game...

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Just test the motion often in DromEd, problem solved :P

I wonder would it work if cobraman was just normal human shape model with those hands, head and texture. Then just make the motion file to "blend" thighs, shins and feet together to look like it had tail?

Anyone ever done anything with the unused AI from the T1 Blooper Reel mission?

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Originally Posted by ZylonBane

Anyone ever done anything with the unused AI from the T1 Blooper Reel mission?

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Which one? The Bug Demon? If so, it was used in a Thief Gold fan mission named "UFO" by JIS.:eek:

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Originally Posted by gigagooga

Just test the motion often in DromEd, problem solved :P

I wonder would it work if cobraman was just normal human shape model with those hands, head and texture. Then just make the motion file to "blend" thighs, shins and feet together to look like it had tail?

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that's what I wanted to do ;) But alas, everything is considered as a "butt part". I tried to recreate everything to fix it, but I get an abomination so... XD I prefered to touch nothing...

But, I think the best will be to send you the 3DS to check it with your own eyes! ^^ Perhaps you will be better than me! :)
Because I don't want people to misunderstand and think that the cobraman is released, I'll send you the file via pm tomorrow! ;)

EDIT: I missed that post:

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Originally Posted by LarryG

What?? You have a Sweel bin also?

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I'm creating it. Texturing it is a horrible task XD I'll try my best, but I think that somebody need to work on it behind me... lol
But it steel will be a good base. If I create it motions, it will become THE perfect base! ^^

Whipped up a quick vid to show what these look like in-game. Pretty obvious, but I used ape beasts for the Ghouls and a haunt for the Skeleton. The Ghouls definitely need some work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55sARgfJQDc

I could really use the Ghouls for Waking The Dead if anyone's up to fixing them.

Does the engine have creature types for all the models you want to add?

Nope, but you can cheat ^^

Here, the sweel to show you that everything is possible if you know how to do it! XD

Yeah, I made the sweel and it is operationnal, I just need to create it motions and it's done :p


Careful, because now, it could happen to you!

http://i57.tinypic.com/15ge4ps.png

That's "a very long-bodied rodent with large whiskers and tiny limbs"?

Sounds like R.O.U.S.'s.


http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/...pse6bc2f8c.gif

SWEEL DONE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFai5RyaZMI&feature=youtu.be


Grab it here:
Link updated: Instructions for installation available + a motiondb
http://download1323.mediafire.com/ag...yd8l/Sweel.zip

Enjoy it ^^

@Tannar: I look at the real concept art (that you can see on my video ^^). On it, there are three sweels represented and we can see that it have no limbs actually. The one shown from Larry's picture betray your eyes because it hairs have some sewer's dirt on it. Actually the sweel looks like a snake with a rodent's head and hairs.

IT LOOKS SO AWESOME!!! I'm definately putting them in the sewer area in my upcoming FM!:laff: Thank you:thumb:

They do look really good, but they just look like snakes to me. I can't tell they have a rodent head, and IMO the concept art clearly shows limbs, albeit small ones. If we're talking a legitimate sweel here, I would propose making them larger, making the head larger in proportion to the body and clearly rodent-like, having two or three pairs of small limbs, and if possible making them able to move around with the top third or so raised up (I don't know if that's possible given we have no sweel skeleton info). Basically, make them look more freakish - right now they look like snakes (albeit good ones).

Firemage, I think you are misunderstood, the sweel have actually four limbs as shown in this concept (this one is of better quality)

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...sketch-eel.jpg

PLUS I looked into the mesh, and the skin also shown four limbs :)
(don't get the wrong idea Firemage, I really like your works, you are truly a dromed wizard :joke:)

And what about the ogre ? I remember seeing one of them in some FM, but with only one head instead of two :D

Here's a reminder of what he looks like :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...ketch-ogre.jpg

@Firemage- Could you make a tutorial on how to set up the Sweel AI in dromed? Also how to set up the motions in dromed?

The higher res concept art also makes it pretty obvious IMO that the sweel was intended to be hairy rather than scaly. Perhaps it should be greenish-brown instead of plain green? Although of course several skin variations would be easy to make.

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Originally Posted by Squadarofl

Firemage, I think you are misunderstood, the sweel have actually four limbs as shown in this concept (this one is of better quality)

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Nope, because I used the REAL concept art for it, which represent three sweel:

http://i60.tinypic.com/xp4rqb.png

Look at the one that I put darker to show you on the right: It have no limbs!!

About the texture, I did it myself from the rat because it was the closest texture for such model. I changed it to make the texturing easier. ^^

Plus, adding limbs is impossible... To make a creature like this, I have been obliged to do some "walking arms" XD
Apply the motions to a guard and laugh, you will be attacked by a snowborder!! ^^
So, It will stay like this.

About texture: YES!! That's the reason which do this snake-like effect, but, as I said, I had problem with texturing... I tried my best but with such low quality texture, it's pretty hard to make them look hair... hehe... But, yes, I wanted to make them hairy, just with no success...

About the Ogre: It exist with two heads, it is in Dromed deluxe, I'm sure of that! But I don't know the author's name... :/

About the tutorial, I'll do something if I have the time, but for the moment, I have some other creatures to create! :p
But, you can check it yourself because my zip contains the 3DS file! :)

I just meant where do you make and how do you make it in the object hierachy and how do you set up it's motions.

Ha! Okay! ^^ Sorry, I have forgotten this in the read me! XD

Ok, so:

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What I have done for the video test: Creature>Beast:Sweel

Motions>ActorTagList: Eel 0
Speech>Voice:Frog
Schema>ClassTags:CreatureType Frog
Dark Gamesyst>BreathConfig:99999 99999 -1 0
>AirSupply:99999
Creature>CreatureType:Humanoid
Shape>ModelName:Sweel
Links:Weapon:Apeclaw
Game>DamageModel>Hit Points: 8
>Max Hit Points: 8
AI>AIcore>Vision Joint: Right finger

About the blood, I have made it is the craybloodsplash, but it exist nomore in thief 2 so I rebuild it.
From BloodSplash, you create craybloodsplash: Links: Corpse > CrayBlood
SFX>Particles: Replace 48 with 125

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Have fun! Of course, you're not obliged to do everything like me. ^^

The sweel on the right is a top down shot. The legs hang directly underneath, so you might not be able to see the legs from that angle. The "real" concept art does show legs as well on the prominent sweel, but it's cut off in the picture.

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Originally Posted by Random_Taffer

The sweel on the right is a top down shot. The legs hang directly underneath, so you might not be able to see the legs from that angle. The "real" concept art does show legs as well on the prominent sweel, but it's cut off in the picture.

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Perhaps... Anyway, the doubt suits me due to the complexy of the thing incoming if I want to add limbs, so... Limbs or not, I see it without ^^'
(After all, the sweel is an eel! ;) )

At least, everybody agree on considering it as a sweel thanks to it little Rodant's head :)
For the ones who don't trust me, look at this picture. We can see it perfectly

http://i61.tinypic.com/pygrn.png

The motions are all screwed up! The Eel 0 thing doesn't work at all and it's driving me crazy. Everything else works except for the motions which I don't know how to set up. So heres to demonstrate what it does



http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/...13-d7bqz1i.png
First of all it comes at me like a guard and not like a sweel.


http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/...13-d7bqzlv.png
Secondly part of it goes through the floor when it's in it's stationary position.

I don't know whats causing these problems:mad:
Can you please tell me how to set up the motions because I know I am doing something wrong and I really need your help. I'm sorry to bother you but please tell me how to set up the motions so I can use your awesome AI:(

That happen if:

-Motions are not installed correctly
or
-You mistape with the Motion>ActorTagList property. It is Eel 0

To install the motions, the folder motion must be in your thief II directory with the file Motiondb.bin (Crush your older motiondb)
Normaly, that should do it ^^

EDIT: Damn it: I have forgotten to put the motiondb in the zip file >< (How I could be stupid! Sorry)

EDIT2: Link updated, that should be better now ^^ sorry again

EDIT3: Note for fun: If you give to my sweel a treebeast motiontag, you can have the feeling to be attacked by roots! OO
Try it yourself!

YES!:cheeky: Thanks it works great now:thumb:

(let's not forget the specter! http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Spectre)

haha! I love this ghost! XD I make me laugh when I put it in Thief 1...
He just need some improvement in matter of polys...

Squadarofl: Your wish has been granted!

A new creature available for the community: The apparition HIGH POLYS!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho67yTGcPLg&feature=youtu.be

Grab it here:

http://download1478.mediafire.com/lw...Apparition.zip

Enjoy!! ^^

PS: All "mirrorers" are welcome! These creatures may be VERY useful for mappers! ;)

PS 2: How do you create in a first post a kind of menu to be redirected directly to the good post. Because this thread is growing and my quest is certainly not finished XD, so before being lost, I think that will be a good idea to do such thing... (My apologies for this noobish question :sweat:)

How come I completely missed this thread !?
I see you've been busy this week, great work man :thumb:

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...issu-kissu.png !!!

The only unused creatures left I can think of is the albinos spider and the naked monkey/rat-thing

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...binospider.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...akedbeaste.jpg

For the spider, just changing the skin will do the trick but for the beastman ? I really don't know

Priority to the monkey boy. I think that the spider can wait. (We already have the tiny green-white, the huge green and medium red after all ^^)
Not the naked only, the armored too. ;)

That will take a while I think because of the tail... But when I'm seeing how am I suffering with the cobraman XD, I think that nothing can stop me now! It become a personnal business between me and LGS's lost dreams...^^

EDIT: About the spider, I though the only albinos spider which LGS has imaginated is the tiny spider...
Could you tell me more about it?

The Spectre looks cool, I like having a humanoid floating AI. It's hard to to tell from the vid though, what are their attacks like?

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How come I completely missed this thread !?

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Completely missed? It's only existed for four days. :erg:

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The Spectre looks cool, I like having a humanoid floating AI. It's hard to to tell from the vid though, what are their attacks like?

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It just shakes his arm and spell the ghost skulls as the walking ghost ^^
But if you want it can launch something else! ;)

But originaly, I think that it may be like this because if you look at the walking apparition's attribute, the params a very close to the Fire Elemental's an evidence showing us that the walking ghost was supposed to fly originaly! :)