T2 Campaign: Lonmore v1.3 (November 12, 2021)

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Originally Posted by MrMunkeepants

Mission 1:
I have a couple of keys I can't find a use for (attic, museum), I can't find a code for the chest in the library office or keys for the bank sub-vaults.

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That was a lot of questions.
Attic key is used in the spooky house. The museum is east of the hotel.
The code is in one of the apartments to the west.
One key is: In spooky house.
The other one in Brigantias courtyard.

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Originally Posted by MrMunkeepants

Maybe because I can't find a way over to the NW section of the map? I am getting a little frustrated trying to get around; new_mantle is on, but I keep falling off ledges and failing to pull myself up onto balustrades, often then falling to my death. I feel like my jump is shorter than usual, too.

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Are Garrett being over weigh :) You get to the north part in part 2.

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Originally Posted by MrMunkeepants

Some others have reported low frame rate in open areas, and I'm also getting this. My PC can play relatively modern games at high settings, so this was disorienting. It also took a long time to save and to load.
Also, a part of the ambient rain loop has sounds that are very similar to the guards' lip-smacking/teeth-sucking sound, and it has me constantly on edge.

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Too bad that you have bad experiences.

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Originally Posted by MrMunkeepants

Hot take time: I find the side-story of someone raping and murdering around town distasteful. It's bad enough hearing conversations & reading reading notes, but then finding dead bodies & naked victims spoils my experience playing.

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The thought is to hate the perpetrator, so that you feels satisfied when putting him in the cell or killing him. And the sad fact is, that this is how it is nowadays. Not that Thief takes places in this modern times.
I guess it was better then.

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Originally Posted by MrMunkeepants

I will say, though: the spooky house genuinely startled me multiple times, and had a great sense of dread. I hated it in the best way.

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Glad you find something good too :)

thank you for the clues, Beltzer; sorry if I was harsh in my previous post - I'd been running (and jumping and falling) in circles and was pretty frustrated. The library puzzle was great! I went back into the house of shadows and whispers and search again for an attic, but couldn't steel my nerves enough to also find the other vault key.
On, to part 2!

Liked the FM and appreciate the work that went into it. Hey, there are some great parts and not so great parts. This is not a $$$ game here. It's a fan mission. Yes, it has some warts (I agree with most of the complaints), but it has some great play (I agree with the protagonists).

Specifically on the lesser side, I think the loot on #2 was skimpy verses the goal. I also really don't like having to pick door locks just to open a room with no loot or clues. But then, maybe these were the places I missed a secret ? ;)

I got two really good evenings of play with this FM. Better than watching TV.

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Originally Posted by maika

totally baffled trying to find the code ... which office has the two switches ... i have done the two switches in the prez office but don;t see numbers ...please help

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It didn't work for me either ... I flipped the 2 switches but no code ... what can we do ?

The force field disaperead but can'T do anything without the code ...

mission 2:
my game froze while quickloading in the Hammerite temple, I had to End Process to fully exit. When I reopened, the quicksave slot was blank!

maika & sexypat, the numbers for the code are in the president's office. I do not know whether you have to use switches to make the numbers visible, but I doubt it. If you still cannot find the numbers, look around near the bookcase.

Still nothing? O.K., here it is in plain text: The numbers are on the wall directly at the left side of the bookcase. If you see them, but cannot make out/read them, use Garrett's eye zoom.

Well, that should do it.

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Originally Posted by baeuchlein

maika & sexypat, the numbers for the code are in the president's office. I do not know whether you have to use switches to make the numbers visible, but I doubt it. If you still cannot find the numbers, look around near the bookcase.

Still nothing? O.K., here it is in plain text: The numbers are on the wall directly at the left side of the bookcase. If you see them, but cannot make out/read them, use Garrett's eye zoom.

Well, that should do it.

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It worked thanks !

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Originally Posted by MrMunkeepants

thank you for the clues, Beltzer; sorry if I was harsh in my previous post - I'd been running (and jumping and falling) in circles and was pretty frustrated. The library puzzle was great! I went back into the house of shadows and whispers and search again for an attic, but couldn't steel my nerves enough to also find the other vault key.
On, to part 2!

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No problem.
I'm glad that the spooky house was, spooky, for some people :)

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Originally Posted by bjack

Liked the FM and appreciate the work that went into it. Hey, there are some great parts and not so great parts. This is not a $$$ game here. It's a fan mission. Yes, it has some warts (I agree with most of the complaints), but it has some great play (I agree with the protagonists).

Specifically on the lesser side, I think the loot on #2 was skimpy verses the goal. I also really don't like having to pick door locks just to open a room with no loot or clues. But then, maybe these were the places I missed a secret ? ;)

I got two really good evenings of play with this FM. Better than watching TV.

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Glad you liked it, and thanks for the mini review :)

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Originally Posted by MrMunkeepants

mission 2:
my game froze while quickloading in the Hammerite temple, I had to End Process to fully exit. When I reopened, the quicksave slot was blank!

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Things like that are not fun. But i'm not sure that its have anything to do with the Campaign.

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Originally Posted by fortuni

If players are experiencing lagging when looking across wide open spaces it can help by checking you have the latest drivers installed on your comp, NVidia update their drivers regularly and I’ve found in the past significant improvement to lagging can be resolved by doing this.

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That will hardly change anything. NewDark runs on a single core and uses an ancient version of DirectX that will make even the best computers struggle with very complex scenes. Particle effects and lots of objects in view especially will tank your framerate.

Mission 2

I am in Brigantia´s apartment in the building with 6 balconies but is empty. Only a loaf !
What is wrong ?

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Originally Posted by carlos schmidt

Mission 2

I am in Brigantia´s apartment in the building with 6 balconies but is empty. Only a loaf !
What is wrong ?

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You obviously got to a place that you are not meant to go to. Me and the beta testers worked hard to prevent that.
How did you get there?

*EDIT*
I found a place myself. Damn.

Mission 2

From the hammerites I go south trought a cave and a gate. There is only one apartment open, inside the apartment I jump from the balcony to a windows and from there to a broken balcony !

Can you give me a hint where I can find Brigantia ?

Greetings from Brazil !

Carlos Schmidt

Age 72 , o old thief !!!!!

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Originally Posted by carlos schmidt

Mission 2

From the hammerites I go south trought a cave and a gate. There is only one apartment open, inside the apartment I jump from the balcony to a windows and from there to a broken balcony !

Can you give me a hint where I can find Brigantia ?

Greetings from Brazil !

Carlos Schmidt

Age 72 , o old thief !!!!!

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Thanks. That's not the way i found :)
You wont see Brigantia in the last part. When you do a certain thing you get a new objective to see her, visit her and find some readable.
Thanks. You are "old in the game" :)

i paused for a week because i coudn't find anything.

now i take a new courage. and will keep playing.

at first i want to find the mask in mission two. it should be in the nort harea of the city . i climbed up the long ladder out of the courtyard of the hammerites . jump over the three sewer pies to the mansion with the parapet and flowers . but there is no windo ,where i can jump into a room. should i be at the wrong mansion for getting the mask ?

I think you are not yet at Lord Ducarius' mansion where the mask is. Go further east to reach the mansion; it is directly to the north of an area where large crates and a crane are located.

There are at least two ways to enter Ducarius' garden. You can take a direct route by using the crane to get over the gap before the garden wall and onto the wall itself, or you can search for an unexpected passage by going through the buildings standing east of the Hammerite area. Look for an underground passage there. I do not remember whether it was accessible from the roof of the southern of these two houses or rather from the cellar area of one of the houses. There could also be a way to get there from the Hammerite crypts. Anyway, one of the many passageways down there should lead you to a room with a long shaft up, ending in the Lord's well in the garden.

is it the mansion with the two swimming pools on the top?

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Originally Posted by radogoal

is it the mansion with the two swimming pools on the top?

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No no, its not that hard to find. Its the most north you can get. Its a banner above the entrance, with a unicorn and with a D under it.
It also has a well. Remember that north is to the right of the map.

oh yes i see the mansion with de banner .

'im in the area of the warehouse but i can't find a way to the mansion.

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Originally Posted by radogoal

oh yes i see the mansion with de banner .

'im in the area of the warehouse but i can't find a way to the mansion.

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Did you miss baeuchlein's post above? :)

How can i have or activate the crane

To use the crane, you have to turn it into the right direction. The controls for that are located in one of the buildings nearby. If you still cannot find it: Look for a shack just south of the area with the crates. I think it is to the southwest of the crane base, just a few meters away. The controls should be well visible on the inside, on the northern wall, close to a window. Just one lever can be used - that is the right one.

thank you very much . I#m so stupid . it's very easy to use the crane

now i'm in the room with the mask . where can i get the key for the little lock and whree are inforamtions for the 10 levers?

A good source of information about how to get to the mask is in the guest room in which a rather small female guest sleeps. She also thought about stealing the mask, and has written something about this in her diary. I think it is located on a piece of furniture directly beside the bed.

As far as I remember, the key is hidden in the Lord's bedroom. Check the wall clock; frob it blindly if you cannot see anything - I also only found that key by accident.

The puzzle with the levers is dealt with in one or two readables. One of them - most likely the little woman's diary again - mentions a tower from which a window nearby can be observed. I think this tower can be accessed from the library which has one entrance in the hallway which also contains the main door to the mansion. Climb up in the tower and look for a window on the highest level of the tower. Open it if it is still closed, then look through it. You should see another window on another building's facade, and there are some picture-linke rectangles visible in the room beyond that window. Four of the rectangles look a lot different from the others. These symbolize the levers that must be used in order to open one of the grates before the mask. Use Garrett's eye zoom if you can't see the details well enough.

If you still cannot find out which levers to pull, here's a direct and plain spoiler: Use levers 2 and 3 in the upper and 2 and 5 in the lower row.

Congrats, Beltzer and those who contributed to this!! Seems lovely mission, nice atmosphere, familiar voices... I'll keep this for Christmas, though. Can't wait to play it!! :)

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Originally Posted by Acoustici

Congrats, Beltzer and those who contributed to this!! Seems lovely mission, nice atmosphere, familiar voices... I'll keep this for Christmas, though. Can't wait to play it!! :)

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Thanks. I hope you gonna like it :)

Started today playing this campaign, and found the ai creatures paralyzed with their arms stretched up , any idea what might be causing this?:

https://i.postimg.cc/2ypsXfrk/dump112.png

Mission 2

Brigantia have something readable for me . Where is it ?

The readable in Brigantia's room is to the right of the entrance door, if I remember that correctly. I think it is a book or letter on a table or bookshelf.

If it's not there, approach the money in the guest room. Maybe it is somewhere there.

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Originally Posted by Cardia

Started today playing this campaign, and found the ai creatures paralyzed with their arms stretched up , any idea what might be causing this?:

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I'm glad that you are playing it Pedro. But too bad that you experienced this. I have no idea, have you tried re-installed it?
Tried another loader? You are the first one who reporting this.

It happens sometimes, AI's occasionally get stuck, wouldn't really be concerned unless there were a lot of stuck AI's in a mission, and if that was the case it may imply your Thief install needs re-installing.

Since the AI's have their arms stretched out, I rather think that it is something non-trivial here. If other newly started missions have such problems as well, I would assume that the Thief 2 installation is corrupt or defective. If not, then re-downloading the campaign again and starting anew might solve the problem, possibly hinting at a bad download.

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Originally Posted by Beltzer

I'm glad that you are playing it Pedro. But too bad that you experienced this. I have no idea, have you tried re-installed it?
Tried another loader? You are the first one who reporting this.

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Apparently it's a problem with my thief 2 folder, i´m having the same problem in other missions. Also i can't use any weapon.

it's the motiondb file that was missing, i have a problem sometimes with files being auto-deleted in my thief 2 directory, it's the only folder in my pc this happens.~

Anyway , everything is working well now,i can proceed with this mission :D

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Originally Posted by Cardia

Apparently it's a problem with my thief 2 folder, i´m having the same problem in other missions. Also i can't use any weapon.

it's the motiondb file that was missing, i have a problem sometimes with files being auto-deleted in my thief 2 directory, it's the only folder in my pc this happens.~

Anyway , everything is working well now,i can proceed with this mission :D

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what loader are you using? I had issues with a loader years ago that were so bad I gave up and just started using FMSel instead.

was i the only person who thought there would be a lawnmower/lonmore easter egg :P

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Originally Posted by lordhern

what loader are you using? I had issues with a loader years ago that were so bad I gave up and just started using FMSel instead.

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I´m using Darkloader, i´m not sure this loader may cause installation problems.

But Pedro!!! :) Change to AngelLoader for example. Isn't Darkloader REAL old-school?

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Originally Posted by Cardia

Apparently it's a problem with my thief 2 folder

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The problem is Darkloader, your T2 folder being messed up is the symptom, but the cause is Darkloader.

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Originally Posted by Cardia

I´m using Darkloader, i´m not sure this loader may cause installation problems.

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I am, as are most other players.

DO NOT USE Darkloader, it buggers up your Thief install.

You have only one option, a complete new install of Thief.

And PLEASE do not use FMsel, Angel loader or NewDarkLoader with your current Thief install as all you will be doing is carrying over all the crap that Darkloader has dumped into your Thief install and so your old problem WILL persist with those new FM loaders.

Start anew, clean install, new FM loader and please never go back to Darkloader, you will appreciate this advise in the long run.

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Originally Posted by A.Stahl

A building between the warehouse and the Mechanist compound has a 2-slope roof. Get there. And then climb into the window.

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is this the room ? the one with a piano and a HArp ?

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Originally Posted by sexypat

is this the room ? the one with a piano and a HArp ?

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The guy has a piano, but i remember no harp :)

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Originally Posted by fortuni

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Start anew, clean install, new FM loader and please never go back to Darkloader, you will appreciate this advise in the long run.

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This. full stop.

I remember a time where darkloader used to work well, but i admit for some time this loader is prone to do errors with missions installing. Guess i'll have to stick with fm loader.

Thank you for your recommendations :thumb:

There is a wide variation in how much trouble people have with DarkLoader. Some can still use it with no problems, others have serious problems every now and then. The main problem with DarkLoader appears to be that if it has a problem while installing a mission, the chances are moderate to high that it cannot uninstall the mission completely, and the player is left with a messed-up Thief folder/directory that is rather hard to clean up. This is not the case with the modern loaders and NewDark, since the missions are not installed in the Thief folder/directory anymore, thus no corruption of that does occur. This technique was not available with "Old Dark", though, so there was little alternative for DarkLoader back in these dark(loaderish) times.

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Originally Posted by baeuchlein

There is a wide variation in how much trouble people have with DarkLoader. Some can still use it with no problems, others have serious problems every now and then. The main problem with DarkLoader appears to be that if it has a problem while installing a mission, the chances are moderate to high that it cannot uninstall the mission completely, and the player is left with a messed-up Thief folder/directory that is rather hard to clean up. This is not the case with the modern loaders and NewDark, since the missions are not installed in the Thief folder/directory anymore, thus no corruption of that does occur. This technique was not available with "Old Dark", though, so there was little alternative for DarkLoader back in these dark(loaderish) times.

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My only success was using snapshots of my old-dark VM - after playing an FM I would restore the snapshot. darkloader is renamed "demonloader" on my system because it cannot reliably handle FM switching.

Well, as I said, there is a wide variation in DarkLoader demonity. For me, the language selection does not work anymore, but everything else seems to work normally. However, I only use DarkLoader for testing something here and there. I use the more modern loaders for gaming now, and they work well enough.

DML patch for those experiencing performance problems on the streets due to excessive particles:

this greatly reduces the number of particles used to shroud the streets below. it also enables the normal efficiency mode for these particles and the dust mote particles in some rooms in the mission, so they don't take any cpu time when not visible.

1. download from Dropbox
2. unzip the files into the FM's folder (e.g. c:\Thief2\FMs\Lonmore-v1_2\)

Does this dml make any difference to the look of the mission, guessing if it massively reduces the number of particles in the shroud then it would. I’m wondering whether to get this dml included in the next FMDML package, but if it significantly changes the look of the mission then probably best to leave it as a purely optional dml.

i tried to keep the visual differences reasonably small: before and after.

Thanks, looks like you did a good job. I’ll ask Beltzer his opinion but I’m thinking it would be best to include the dml in the next FMDML.

Walkthrough :D