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  1. #1
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    Registered: Jan 2007
    Location: Germany

    the time Thief takes place...

    I was wondering quite a long time if anything is know about the time in Thief, the year in which Garrett lives.

    Yesterday I started to play through Thief 1 again and right at the beginning at Bafford's I found his journal with some sort of timestamps in it I think.

    It is the "M2LEDGE.str" file, it says something like this (german version):

    24.3.34

    2,342 Einnahmen Arena: Sunnyfair
    734 Zinseinnahmen: Sunnyfair
    (461) Ramirez: Sunnyfair
    (153) Einkaufstag der M„dchen: Sunnyfair
    1,491 Einnahmen Arena und Provision: Dreckboun
    320 Zinseinnahmen: Dreckboun
    (272) Ramirez: Dreckboun
    2,785 Einnahmen Arena, Spirituosen netto: Fendon
    1,852 Zinseinnahmen: Fendon
    (696) Ramirez: Fendon
    7,942
    As far as I can remember this was the only time a specific date was given in Thief or am I wrong? So if "24.3.34" is a date, what could it be?
    In germany it would be 24th march in the year 34 but if it is written down in american style it would imply that there are 24 months in a year in the Thief world. Are there other sources for a specific "time" in Thief?

  2. #2
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    Location: thief.wikia.com
    3/24/34
    2,342 Cash pits: Sunnyfair
    734 Interest payments: Sunnyfair
    (461) Ramirez: Sunnyfair
    (153) Girls' shopping trip: Sunnyfair
    1,491 Cash pits and dealer take: Dreckboun
    320 Interest payments: Dreckboun
    (272) Ramirez: Dreckboun
    2,785 Cash pits, liquor net: Fendon
    1,852 Interest payments: Fendon
    (696) Ramirez: Fendon
    7,942 "
    4/3/34
    2,490 Cash pits: Sunnyfair
    801 Interest payments: Sunnyfair
    (494) Ramirez: Sunnyfair
    982 Cash pits and dealer take: Dreckboun
    245 Interest payments: Dreckboun
    (184) Ramirez: Dreckboun
    (150) Ramirez: debtor assist
    2,632 Cash pits, liquor net: Fendon
    1,532 Interest payments: Fendon
    (625) Ramirez: Fendon
    7,230 "
    4/10/34
    2,254 Cash pits: Sunnyfair
    743 Interest payments: Sunnyfair
    (450) Ramirez: Sunnyfair
    (200) Token: Sunnyfair guard
    754 Cash pits and dealer take: Dreckboun
    180 Interest payments: Dreckboun
    (140) Ramirez: Dreckboun
    (150) Token: Dreckboun guard
    2,368 Cash pits, liquor net: Fendon
    1,158 Interest payments: Fendon
    (529) Ramirez: Fendon
    (200) Token: Fendon guard
    5,788

    What the hell is going on with Dreckboun? Even if Ginny's
    grafting, he damn well ought to be more subtle than this!
    If it's not turned around in another week, toss it up to
    Ramirez as breach.
    The english version, month/day/year. The year could also be 1034.
    There is also that "orloj" clock used in T2, a single moon and seasons, and a basis of Dark Camelot that really make Thief an alternate Universe Earth.

  3. #3
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    English dates are day month year. Putting month first is the stupid US version. Seems that the Germans have it right.

    Looks like it's some year ending in 34. Interesting, but still gives us no real clues. They could indeed have 24 months. More even. If other years are mentioned in other games we could construct a timeline though.

  4. #4
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    Registered: Jul 2007
    Something I don't think was mentioned the last times this was discussed:

    There is no doubt that here the middle number is the day of the month if the ledge is updated weekly. But do you see that, given that the update happens on the same weekday, the third month (which might or might not be called March) has only 28 days?

    Also, given that the sums of money represent the gold coin currency, what does it tell us about the economy of The City? What about buying power and living expenses? I mean, the wildly varying equipment prices between all Thief versions are hard to consolidate, but at least the loot keeps a somewhat steady value. Doesn't it?

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    Larris

  5. #5
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    Registered: Aug 2002
    Location: thief.wikia.com
    M15accpay - Thieves' Guild

    The 4/33 might be a typo meant to be 4/34.

    So it does set up a time scale between those 2 missions.


    3/34

    100 Bribe to Servant Gilpen

    1,000 Gerwitz contract

    124 Tools

    500 Bonus Downwinder Verrilli

    864 Lord Brosius job

    1,500 Monthly payment to Sheriff

    320 Supplies

    172 Rat poison

    2,185 Bar tab for guild party

    600 Steinkrauss Contract

    400 Bonus for Downwinder Rafael to offer Hammerites a bribe

    84 Rafael's funeral

    4/33

    768 Entertainment Exp.

    236 Info from Viktoria

    494 Cleaning

    982 Air Freshener

    245 Surveillance

    385 Bribe to Deputy Meffan

    100 Info from Court Jester Teichholtz

    150 Bribe to Capt. Pearsall

    362 Lady Caughlin job

    1,300 Kickback for Constable Mahk

    625 Deliveries from Lesser Hrabota

    320 Downwinder Solus contract

    5/34

    137 Lady Lamer job

    123 Duke Leonard job

    100 Bribe to Lord Church

    300 Kickback to Magistrate Gilby

    89 Lord Meuse job

    112 Surveillance

    167 Lord Randall job

  6. #6
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    Registered: Sep 2005
    Location: Chicago Il.
    Quote Originally Posted by intruder View Post
    I was wondering quite a long time if anything is know about the time in Thief, the year in which Garrett lives.
    At about 4:38 p.m. last Thursday....

  7. #7
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    Registered: Jun 2008
    Quote Originally Posted by intruder View Post
    I was wondering quite a long time if anything is know about the time in Thief, the year in which Garrett lives.
    Is you want I can give him a call an ask?

  8. #8
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    Registered: Jan 2007
    Location: Germany
    Originally Posted by paldepind
    Is you want I can give him a call an ask?



    Originally Posted by The Magpie
    Something I don't think was mentioned the last times this was discussed [...]
    Ah sorry, I used the search function and was looking for threads with the keywords "time" and "date" in their title but now it seems I that missed them.

    Could you post the thread titles or links to them, please?

  9. #9
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    Registered: Jul 2007
    Quote Originally Posted by intruder View Post
    Ah sorry, I used the search function and was looking for threads with the keywords "time" and "date" in their title but now it seems I that missed them.

    Could you post the thread titles or links to them, please?
    Sure. Don't worry. It's a long time ago, and I was only able to find one thread, myself, from this incarnation of the TTLG forum... but since the thread died and was resurrected, it contains two of the times the topic was discussed.

    It's probably not all that helpful to you, though:

    ThiefGen > What year and what countrie?

    Heh. Found that there was a post of my own in there, too.

    --
    L.

  10. #10
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    Registered: Jan 2007
    Location: Germany
    Thanks a lot Magpie! So it remains a mystery where and when Garrett is sneaking around...

    It doesn't fit to 100% into this thread but what is the real name of "The City"?

  11. #11
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Fields of bluegrass
    The City.

  12. #12
    Member
    Registered: May 2008
    Location: Poland
    Every Thief fan should read this great novel:
    http://www.thief-thecircle.com/fanworks/keeper/
    Although it's unofficial, it describes Garrett's environment very well, and, which is not less important, the beginning of his training in the Keeper compound.
    The first line in the chapter 1:
    'My story begins in Britain, about forty or so years after the downfall of the "Great Roman Empire"'.
    I should start a new thread maybe...

  13. #13
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Fields of bluegrass
    A fanfic author deciding that Thief's setting is 6th century Britain means nothing. It is, as you said, "unofficial".

  14. #14
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Thief fan since ca. 1999
    Pardon me, canst thou tell me were I might find this ledger in Bafford's mansion?

  15. #15
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    Registered: Jul 2007
    http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_Baf...e_text#M2LEDGE

    There's a corridor leading east from the hallway overlooking the east side of the pool on the second floor. Follow it.

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    L.
    Last edited by The Magpie; 16th Feb 2009 at 23:28. Reason: Sxerks had deleted the previous URL on the Wikia due to a catapostrophe.

  16. #16
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Thief fan since ca. 1999
    many thanks, brother.

    Oh I know where that is, i've been there many a time. So that's the note. I just didn't remember what that book said.

    Cool a thief wiki! I've not seen that site. I've seen the Dromed one but not this.

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