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    26 19.85%
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    41 31.30%
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    47 35.88%
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    4 3.05%
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  1. #11651
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    And you expect that a fence will stop that? You expect that those who have no problem breaking a law will say "oh they have a fence now so we may as well turn around and go home". They go around now. When there is no around to go they will go back rather than over right? Sure. Sure they will.
    Or, more simply, they'll bribe some agents.

  2. #11652
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    I understood that the problem with Trump's conception of the border wall wasn't that it's completely nonsensical and that there was no need at all in many areas, but that what he was asking for was wildly out of proportion to the need, on both the costs and benefits side. That's actually an empirical question, and the credible response should come from some expert wonk statistician that's worked in immigration control for a lot of years and knows both the numbers and these kinds of border towns and areas. It seems intuitively extravagant to target the whole border, but lots of good policies have been unintuitive before, so (like any issue) I try to have my opinion rest on the DHLS White Papers or whatever out there on this.

    In the grand scheme of things, the Wall is tiny peanuts to worry about from this admin compared to the rampaging elephants out there, for one thing because the political will isn't there for it even if it were a great policy. So it's kind of an academic issue to begin with.

  3. #11653
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    No, the wall, as proposed by Lord Dampnut, is completely nonsensical, even if it didn't cost billions upon billions of dollars (and that's only the government estimate). It wouldn't come even close to achieving what it's proposed to do, it would actually make border security worse, it would harm ecological systems on both sides, and it would be a pain to maintain.

    Having some relatively cheap and easy to maintain fencing (or some different kind of barrier) to augment already existing security measures where it makes sense, that's a very different proposal.

  4. #11654
    Moderator
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    You could also search "kushner greenlit khashoggi arrest".

    I found nothing on snopes about these claims so I submitted a request with them. Perhaps it is just stuff and nonsense but given the range and depth of abuse by this administration, it is not beyond possibility.
    I did look at the article once I got there. I'll be interested to see if snopes comes up with anything.

  5. #11655
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    No, the wall, as proposed by Lord Dampnut, is completely nonsensical, even if it didn't cost billions upon billions of dollars...
    Your last part is what I was.getting at. It's not like some kind of barrier in some key locations is irrational. It's just nobody following the issue at a policy level was even proposing Trump's wall. It's pure red meat to fear-monger the easily spooked at rallies, not even meant to have a policy rationale.

    I mean the idea originally came from one of those Cambridge Analytical kinds of places that found the phrase "build a wall" got good traction in polling, which is to say it triggers the fear/rage response of the amygdala particularly well (along with lock her up and some others). Needless to say, that kind of polling isn't where one should look for rational policy... maybe good for horror movie plot points, but not policy.

  6. #11656
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    SNOPES? pfft, ,might as well as democrats what they think.

  7. #11657
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    ...what u say?

  8. #11658
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    He said... jingle jingle

  9. #11659
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    SNOPES is biased BS.

  10. #11660
    ZylonBane
    Registered: Sep 2000
    Location: ZylonBane
    He said, "Please pay attention to a poor lazy troll who can't even be bothered to put forth an effort anymore."

  11. #11661
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Just because you don't like the conclusions they come up with doesn't mean they're biased. They can back up their assertions, after all.

  12. #11662
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

  13. #11663
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by ZylonBane View Post
    He said, "Please pay attention to a poor lazy troll who can't even be bothered to put forth an effort anymore."
    Yeah, it just doesn't seem like his heart is in it anymore.

  14. #11664
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
    Damn this reality, she's an enemy of the honest people!!!11111
    We must fight this libtard fantasy, there's no such thing as "reality" !!!1111 She'll corrupt our children!!1111

  15. #11665
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2009
    Location: The Spiraling Sea
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Damn this reality, she's an enemy of the honest people!!!11111
    And the reality is that she doesn't like Drumpf!!!1111...

  16. #11666
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    It seems to me that reality really likes Trump, she simply doesn't like his voters 'cause Trump lives like a baron and his voters like, you know, poor manipulated fo(o)l(k)s.

    We must send some commandos to terminate this impudent and impenitent "reality". To hell the reality!

  17. #11667
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    sorry guys, busy as fuck with work and projects, SNOPES is biased shit, as biased as Faux news.........hell most American media is nothing but biased shit.
    Renz, how can I heart when you stole it?????? Love . Midge...................

  18. #11668
    Administrator
    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Athens of the North
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    He said... jingle jingle
    And it worked - people stopped discussing the effectiveness of dealing with border issues and started debating the bias inherent in reality.

  19. #11669
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Al_B View Post
    And it worked - people stopped discussing the effectiveness of dealing with border issues and started debating the bias inherent in reality.
    +1

    Exactly. It's Trump best distract.....achievement.....

  20. #11670
    I don't know if anyone's been following, but the "conservative" side is a dumpster fire right now and it's glorious.


    It started at Ohio State when someone in the audience asked Charlie Kirk about aid to Israel and mentioned the USS liberty. Kirk lost his shit (literally shouting at the guy to stop talking) and then went on to seriously defend it on the grounds that it's a handout to US arms manufacturers.

    Yes, he actually said that. Video at the jump: https://twitter.com/catholic_goy/sta...44591330230273

    Since then the "Groypers" (the insurgent faction) have been goading what they call "Conservative Inc" at every opportunity particularly targeting TP USA and Prager.


    "Conservative Inc" is largely reacting by freaking out, calling for bans, and refusing to take questions from anyone except people who later get Doxxed as TP USA employees. They even fired someone merely for being photographed in the same room as Nick Fuentes.

    Video from AZ: https://twitter.com/NickerNation/sta...91018259161089

    Dan Crenshaw got blown at one of his events. He took ten softball questions then shut down the event and left when people started shouting asking why he wasn't taking audience questions.

    It's even appears to have attracted the attention of intelligence services. I need to verify but from the photos shown the dude at a TP USA is very obviously the same dude who works for the Ministry:




    Ben Shapiro also flipped his shit: https://twitter.com/TheBavarianChad/...44808264695808




    The thing that's provoking this? Just people in the audience asking some uncomfortable questions about Republican foreign policy dogma. These people's bullshit is stretched so thin that this is all it takes for the mirrors to shatter.


    Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
    No it doesn't. Unoriginal, smug tropes do however.


    Actual reality is depressing as fuck more than anything else.

  21. #11671
    ZylonBane
    Registered: Sep 2000
    Location: ZylonBane
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Yuh-huh!

  22. #11672
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Well, if your reality involves conspiracy theories and a Turner Diary-esque vision of the US, then yeah, of course it would seem a bit bleak.

    Meanwhile, Lord Dampnut is forced to pay 2 million in damages for running a fake charity and give the remaining funds over to actual charities:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...8b6_story.html

    A New York judge on Thursday ordered President Trump to pay $2 million in damages for misusing funds from a tax-exempt charity — taking the charity’s money to pay debts for his for-profit businesses, to boost his 2016 campaign and to buy a painting of himself, according to court documents.

    [...]

    As part of the settlement, Trump also agreed to disburse the $1.8 million remaining in the foundation to a set of charities, and to shutter it for good.

    [...]

    In all, $3.8 million will go to eight charities: Army Emergency Relief, the Children’s Aid Society, Citymeals-on-Wheels, Give an Hour, Martha’s Table, the United Negro College Fund, United Way of the National Capital Area and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.

    Trump and his business have already repaid the foundation about $338,000 since The Post began its reporting on the Trump Foundation, to reimburse the charity for various improper expenditures.

    Trump’s three eldest children — Ivanka, Donald Jr. and Eric — were also named in the original lawsuit, because they were listed as board members at the foundation. In reality, the board did not meet at all for 19 straight years, from 1999 to 2018.

    The three Trump children were required to take an “in-person interactive” training class in how to be better board members, and the suit against them was dismissed, court documents say.

    [...]

    The Trump Foundation had been a relatively small charity that in recent years had received very little in donations from Trump himself. He donated nothing from 2009 to 2015. Instead, the foundation subsisted largely on a gift from pro-wrestling moguls Vince and Linda McMahon: $5 million in total. Linda McMahon was later appointed by Trump as head of the Small Business Administration.

    The foundation’s troubles were first uncovered in 2016 — starting when a Post reporter attended a Trump campaign rally in Waterloo, Iowa. Onstage, Trump gave away a $100,000 check from the Trump Foundation to a local charity.

    Federal law prohibits charities’ money from “participating” in political campaigns.

    In addition, The Post found that Trump had used the charity’s money to make a $25,000 donation to a political committee associated with then-Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi (R). Charities are prohibited from making political gifts.

    The Post also found that Trump had taken more than $250,000 from the charity to settle lawsuits involving his for-profit businesses. And Trump had used the charity to buy things for himself, including a helmet signed by former pro football player Tim Tebow, and a large painting of himself that was later hung on the wall of Trump’s Doral golf resort in Miami.
    [...]

  23. #11673
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    As expected, Republicans did a 180 on that one real fast:


  24. #11674
    The "Hero" Attorney is a true hero.

    He even managed to "get security clearances for people with child porn issues":


    https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/sta...757682688?s=20


  25. #11675
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Well, if your reality involves conspiracy theories and a Turner Diary-esque vision of the US, then yeah, of course it would seem a bit bleak.

    Meanwhile, Lord Dampnut is forced to pay 2 million in damages for running a fake charity and give the remaining funds over to actual charities:

    And you're a naive fool. For the most part when I do make a grim forecast it's been relatively accurate, and even my non-grim forecasts (like positive economic predictions in 2016 and 2017) were relatively accurate.

    Ever heard of the Walton foundation for example?

    I mean this has NEVER happened before Trump. Never. Only Trump does this.



    Please point to one "conspiracy theory" where I've been wrong

    Maybe you'll cite how I said that the US government was engaged in mass surveillance of the citizenry? Oh wait. That one was true.

    Maybe you'll cite how I said Epstein was probably murdered. Oh wait. The examiner says he was strangled.

    Maybe you'll cite how I said the US was backing ISIS. Oh wait. Wired, Huffington Post, Salon, and Guardian all proved that.



    In any case I've got a massively better track record than you do, since you still believe debunked, batshit insane conspiracy theories like Jill Stein being a KGB agent.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 9th Nov 2019 at 16:51.

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