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Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

  1. #1451
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    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Vladimir Putin orders a massive fireworks display in celebration of the imminent success of his special policing action to liberate Ukraine.


  2. #1452
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    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    Excellent. No doubt with intel help. Well that is what you get when you are expansionist during a Democratic non Russian mole presidency. I wish we would help more. Fuck Putin. May there be intel on his location.

  3. #1453
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    Registered: Jun 2001
    Location: under God's grace
    It is by will alone I set these drones in motion. It is by the fuel kerosene the weapons acquire speed, the russians acquire earthquakes, the earthquakes become a warning. It is by will alone I set these drones in motion.

    - A Ukrainian mentat

  4. #1454
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Speaking of drones.

    Australia, now apparently the IKEA of UAVs, is providing cheap but effective (and even reusable) cardboard drones to Ukraine. Flat packed, like pizza boxes, assembled with tape and rubber-bands, capable of carrying 2.5 kilo payloads (5.5 lbs) and largely invisible to radar, these dirt cheap UAVs are a huge headache for Russia.

    They can run interference, collect intel, deliver supplies and ammunition to isolated units, and deliver warheads to both surface and airborne military targets.

    Supply drones, equipped with Go-Pros, can do double duty and return fresh intel on SD cards, reducing the risk of identifying the location of front line command and control units.



  5. #1455
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    Location: The other Derry
    Quote Originally Posted by Qooper View Post
    It is by will alone I set these drones in motion. It is by the fuel kerosene the weapons acquire speed, the russians acquire earthquakes, the earthquakes become a warning. It is by will alone I set these drones in motion.

    - A Ukrainian mentat
    I don't even like Dune but that was pretty funny.

  6. #1456
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    Registered: Sep 2023
    Location: indonesia
    Russia always seems to blame ukraine drone debris lately, when I saw the explosion above (well it's not new year yet but zelenskyy already wished happy new year in advance by giving big fireworks) I thought long range weapon restriction has been lifted or ukraine has some kind of bunker buster type missile.

    I see a lot of comments to stop the war and hold an election on zelenskyy's twitter and instagram posts (I don't know if these are bots or real humans and it is very difficult to measure the signal to noise (SNR) ratio in social media comments), but I understand behind zelensky's persistence to deep strike : that both sides must be equally overwhelmed (not only on one side) and then a stalemate/peace discussion can occur.

    It is very hard to recover from the war situation for both countries, hopefully peace can be achieved forthwith.

  7. #1457
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    Registered: Sep 2023
    Location: indonesia
    at this point I hope ukraine can ramp up missile production independently and improve their own weapons manufacturing / research infrastructure, but news of cash shortage continues to emerge.

    @Nicker everytime i see 2.5kg payload it reminds me of particular version of Low Altitude Stalking and Strike Ordnance (LASSO) drone

    *edit : I don't know if drones with laser communication systems(concentrated laser beam) have been used in the current war , it seems to have its own advantages. Russie has been using fiber optic based drone
    Last edited by taffernicus; 22nd Sep 2024 at 05:34.

  8. #1458
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    Location: indonesia
    All of these talking points about what missile is used in the war, i want to find out more about Rolled Homogenous Armor equivalent (RHAe) and reinforced concrete penetration depth...I've heard RHA but forgot which video game it was mentioned in and I'm no military expert

  9. #1459
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    Registered: Sep 2023
    Location: indonesia
    Not directly related to the main theme of this thread, i think Prisoners Of Geography contains an detailed explanation for the crux of the matter(especially on the russian side). Now i need more source for ukrainians side(the rabbit hole started from euromaiden way back to 2004 events). I need more perspective on this...

    Reading daily updates of russo-ukrainian war from ISW(understandingwar.org) is distressing

    *edit : I'm still inspired by how to understand issues without bias and the Non-Aligned Movement's conflict resolution
    Last edited by taffernicus; 4th Oct 2024 at 07:49.

  10. #1460
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    Registered: May 2004
    Perun had a video the other day on the topic of ammo depot strikes in Russia which has apparently led to acute (though likely temporary) shell starvation for the Russians:


  11. #1461
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    Location: Egyptian Afterlife
    I have read somewhere in the news about a near miss collision of a missile or drone with a nuclear power station, and if a possible nuclear contamination of a huge area of Europe happened, well if that happens the likelihood of a massive European evacuation would mean immigration into Asia and the Americas, speak about immigrants then. Flooding in droves.
    On the other hand that would mean relocating the whole of industrial production with them, for some countries could be a tech-economic boom, for others not so much.

  12. #1462
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    Location: indonesia
    Quote Originally Posted by DuatDweller View Post
    I have read somewhere in the news about a near miss collision of a missile or drone with a nuclear power station, and if a possible nuclear contamination of a huge area of Europe happened, well if that happens the likelihood of a massive European evacuation would mean immigration into Asia and the Americas, speak about immigrants then. Flooding in droves.
    On the other hand that would mean relocating the whole of industrial production with them, for some countries could be a tech-economic boom, for others not so much.
    hopefully this nuclear power plant is also surrounded by enough air defense missiles, as well as SHOARD systems that might be effective for drones such as the Oerlikon skyshield/skyranger system (Ukraine has Skynex but I don't know what Russia uses).

    I was obsessed with tungsten round or depleted uranium rounds used by the SHORAD system

    Anyway i got this shocking news yesterday : Su-57 shot down a malfunctioned sukhoi S-70 drone. It made it to the news. Here is the footage i got : https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1842632769660485962. Maybe Russia doesn't want an incident like the rq-170 to happen to them.

    coincidentally also last week I had time to look for drone systems such as Bayraktar MIUS(also because Turkey has also opened a TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industries) branch office in my country) ,Mq-28 and S-70 to boot. I haven't heard much updates about SU57 for a long time (except for news of SU-57 firing kh-69 missiles far away from enemy territory), as well as news of Sukhoi Checkmate and PAK-DA.
    Last edited by taffernicus; 5th Oct 2024 at 23:46.

  13. #1463
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    Registered: Sep 2023
    Location: indonesia
    Scorpions - the wind of change. Rise up the volume, this music is a prefect fit for all current conflicts & wars

  14. #1464
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    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: the Sheeple Pen
    It's a bit too optimistic. I can't imagine anyone wanting to be "like brothers" with Russia any time soon. Putin's Russia is more like a drunk and abusive uncle rather than a brother. Where's the wind of (positive) change coming from?

    "To sing Wind of Change as we have always sung it, that’s not something I could imagine any more,” Klaus Meine told Die Zeit. “It simply isn’t right to romanticise Russia with lyrics like: ‘I follow the Moskva / Down to Gorky Park … Let your balalaika sing’”.

  15. #1465
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    Registered: Dec 2004
    Location: Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by DuatDweller View Post
    I have read somewhere in the news about a near miss collision of a missile or drone with a nuclear power station, and if a possible nuclear contamination of a huge area of Europe happened, well if that happens the likelihood of a massive European evacuation would mean immigration into Asia and the Americas, speak about immigrants then.
    Remember Chernobyl in 1986? Did you see any European mass evacuations/migrations then? I certainly didn't.

    Stop reading bullshit.
    Last edited by baeuchlein; 7th Oct 2024 at 16:21.

  16. #1466
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    "the likelihood of a massive European evacuation would mean immigration into Asia and the Americas, speak about immigrants then."

    Yeah, stop reading stuff written by lunatics then.

    Japan had two actual atom bombs dropped on them and they didn't even mass-migrate out of the cities that got bombed, for any length of time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima

    Since being rebuilt after the war, Hiroshima has become the largest city in the Chūgoku region of western Honshu.
    We drop atom bombs on entire cities and people still want to go back. People aren't going to evacuate an entire continent because a nuclear plant 3 countries over to the East had an accident.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 6th Oct 2024 at 23:18.

  17. #1467
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    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    It's funny that anyone would think European emigration would be a bad thing anyway. Most of the anti-immigration attitudes are entirely grounded in racism, no one is going to cry if English-speaking white people move here.

  18. #1468
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Moyer View Post
    Most of the anti-immigration attitudes are entirely grounded in racism
    This war too ("german anglo-saxons are bad at guarding Earth people, we from the Holy Rus are good and so we are the legit heirs of varangian peacekeepers of the Roman Empire order")

  19. #1469
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    Registered: Jan 2024
    Location: Egyptian Afterlife
    Depends on the severity of the accident, Pripyat was evacuated, Fukushima was evacuated, what if the accident is more spread more severe, but a man can dream, dammit.
    I just wanted some real life Fallout 3...

  20. #1470
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    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: The other Derry
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Moyer View Post
    It's funny that anyone would think European emigration would be a bad thing anyway. Most of the anti-immigration attitudes are entirely grounded in racism, no one is going to cry if English-speaking white people move here.
    How well did we treat the Irish who came here in droves because of the famine? Not well. Likewise when Italians came. And Eastern European Jews fleeing communism. It's more than racism, it's nativism.

  21. #1471
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    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Cipheron View Post

    Japan had two actual atom bombs dropped on them and they didn't even mass-migrate out of the cities that got bombed, for any length of time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima

    We drop atom bombs on entire cities and people still want to go back. People aren't going to evacuate an entire continent because a nuclear plant 3 countries over to the East had an accident.
    This is a bit different. The bombs were detonated in the air, in order to cause maximum destruction, so a lot of the radioactive particles were dispersed into the atmosphere and carried of to the ocean by the wind instead of say, embedding itself into the ground. Also, an atomic bomb of that type consumes most of its material, so there wasn't quite as much nuclear material to go around, not to mention that there was vastly less material in the bomb in the first place and a lot of it decayed pretty rapidly.

    https://www.straightdope.com/2134359...ver-so-quickly

    A nuclear disaster in a plant could potentially be much more serious as far as the fallout is concerned, since there is a lot more material to go around, though of course not to the apocalyptic extent some fevered minds imagine.

  22. #1472
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    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    How well did we treat the Irish who came here in droves because of the famine? Not well. Likewise when Italians came. And Eastern European Jews fleeing communism. It's more than racism, it's nativism.
    I mean, none of these groups were seen as exactly white at the time.

    To clarify, I mean white in the Anglo-Saxon supremacy sense, not in the sense of the racial politics of black and white skin.
    Last edited by Starker; 7th Oct 2024 at 15:30.

  23. #1473
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    Location: Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by DuatDweller View Post
    Depends on the severity of the accident, Pripyat was evacuated, Fukushima was evacuated, what if the accident is more spread more severe, but a man can dream, dammit.
    A man can dream, but a wise man does not blindly believe in his dreams, or babble about them before thinking it over.

    The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant is the largest in Europe, with six nuclear reactors installed. But still, the amount of radioactive waste which a nuclear disaster can spread is limited. Remember that Chernobyl had one reactor which exploded, and no one in Western Europe was evacuated. Also remember that in Fukushima, three of its five reactors suffered some kind of explosion and spilled their guts around the plant, and the wind spread it even further. But unless I'm not well informed, Japan has not been evacuated yet. Only 164000 residents have moved away from the area surrounding the plant.

    Some people (and I mean people who have knowledge, not just weird dreams) have discussed what could happen if the Zaporizhzhia plant would be severely damaged or destroyed because of the occurring war, and while they usually hinted at that this could be more severe than the Chernobyl disaster, no one mentioned evacuations outside of Ukraine and the Russian Federation. Furthermore, because winds in Europe quite often are going eastwards, Russia's interest in creating or risking a nuclear incident there is assumed to be very low - the chance that they would have to explain their own population why some of them have been contaminated heavily is rather high.

    Get real, DuatDweller. What you do here very often is spread something not very far from Fake News. Don't become like the ones doing propaganda for Russia - the US already have a former president who is suited well to do that job perfectly.
    Last edited by baeuchlein; 7th Oct 2024 at 21:36. Reason: Missing "u"

  24. #1474
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    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    How well did we treat the Irish who came here in droves because of the famine? Not well. Likewise when Italians came. And Eastern European Jews fleeing communism. It's more than racism, it's nativism.

  25. #1475
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    Registered: Sep 2023
    Location: indonesia
    I am going off the rail a bit from the main theme. I hope a lot of news and analysis also comes from Transnistria and what is happening there... I mean, There seems to be something interesting about Moldavia and Transnistria in general. Gagauzia in moldova is also an interesting topic, not to mention Cobasna ammunition depot in Transnistria.

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