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Thread: TDP20AC Mission ó Rose Garden (11/30/2018)

  1. #151
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2006
    Location: Nulli Secundi
    What an amazing mission!! Four and half hours of exploring, climbing, exploring, searching, finally achieving one objective after 3 hours, and then persevering through to the end! Never became bored and always new things to find and see. 10 out of 10!

  2. #152
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2000
    Location: Land of enchantment
    Does anybody know what this thing is and what I can do with it, other than admire it?



    I found it in Cistern Court. A water arrow stops the fireball and leaves red gas balls, but I can't make it do anything useful.
    Last edited by smithpd; 5th Jan 2019 at 03:59.

  3. #153
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: MalmŲ, Sweden
    Quote Originally Posted by smithpd View Post
    I found it in Cistern Court. A water arrow stops the fireball and leaves red gas balls, but I can't make it do anything useful.
    This is one of the many 'suspected red herrings' I asked about earlier. It's only there to taunt/confuse us.

  4. #154
    Classical Master 2008
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Civitas Quinque Ecclesiae HU
    Quote Originally Posted by HauntHunter View Post
    I've looked everywhere I can think to look around his house. Spoil me please!!!
    Look high up.

  5. #155
    Member
    Registered: May 2005
    Another spectacular mission in the contest! This one is incredibly large. It just keeps going. Up until the end, I was never sure how many areas I had left to explore. Vertical climbs, dangerous jumps and crawling through narrow passageways make this Hightowne district exceedingly difficult to navigate. There are also lots of hidden areas to discover. I felt I really had to work hard for all the trinkets I collected along the way.

    I finished on Normal without hints and without sustaining any wounds in just over 5 hours. The real playtime was probably around 8 hours. Got 3112 of 4319 total loot. If I were to replay the mission, I am sure there would be many areas with more loot I have yet to discover. At least I found the hidden rooftop memorial for Lady Rowena, MsLedd and Sir Taffsalot and the room in Cistern Court that is unlocked with the key from Rose Garden.

    One question to the author: Am I supposed to pull levers and pick locks through metal grates in this mission? I was running in circles at around the 3 hour mark. Just when I was about to give up, I noticed I could highlight a lever through a gate when I was approaching it from the right angle. This opened the area of the Hammerite prison. I repeated the same approach with two more gates later on.

  6. #156
    Classical Master 2008
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Civitas Quinque Ecclesiae HU
    No, you are not supposed to. Every location is accessible in a fair way.

  7. #157
    Member
    Registered: May 2005
    Alright, I will play it properly should I ever replay this mission. I must say glitching through the gates improved my experience the first time though. Walking in circles for an hour with no progress had become frustrating. Finally being able to move on to the next area was quite a relief then.

  8. #158
    New Member
    Registered: Jan 2019

    Epic

    This mission sent me mad, my gameplay counter listing 8 hours at the end but in truth it's probably more like 10-12 maybe even 14. I couldn't work out how to get to the end building for ages and it drove me nuts, making me explore every other inch of the map and uncover everything. At the end I felt very accomplished and feel like I've learnt everything I need to know about advanced thieving (particularly now mega accurate diagonal jumping). A clear winner for me, currently (12/23 played so far). Still 1000 loot off though...crazy!

  9. #159
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Location: THE NETHERLANDS
    i'm stuck,Bernalt doesn't do anything,he's just standing in front of a building on thin alley?is that where i'm suppose to proceed?
    or was i following the wrong one?great mission so far...

  10. #160
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Location: THE NETHERLANDS
    maybe i should aks what does Bernalt look like? is wearing yellow? or is he the bald guy in grey?
    i found baldie dead in the streets,but the mission still goes on...

  11. #161
    Member
    Registered: May 2005
    Bernalt is wearing a blue tunic with a grey hood, brown trowsers and light-brown gaiters. Most notably, he is wearing glasses.

    Shortly after you ring the bell, he leaves Hightowne Archive, which is right next to the belltower, and walks through the streets to Grandmauden manor.

  12. #162
    Member
    Registered: May 2002
    Location: The Netherlands
    How do I get the gem in the vault. If I shoot a holy water arrow it get's stuck into the air.



    Never mind, the fourth time around it worked. I reloaded.
    Last edited by Gloria Creep; 11th Jan 2019 at 16:25.
    There're angels who playThief and angels who don't ........ both go to heaven ............
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  13. #163
    Member
    Registered: May 2005
    I did not get the gem in the vault in my playthrough, but the issue with arrows getting stuck in mid-air resolved whenever I reloaded the mission.

  14. #164
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Location: THE NETHERLANDS
    Quote Originally Posted by View Post
    Bernalt is wearing a blue tunic with a grey hood, brown trowsers and light-brown gaiters. Most notably, he is wearing glasses.

    Shortly after you ring the bell, he leaves Hightowne Archive, which is right next to the belltower, and walks through the streets to Grandmauden manor.
    Thanks.i found him in the manor.but he was already dead.
    poor bastard

  15. #165
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2018
    The second run (ghosting run) is usually faster than my first ďfiguring out where to go and what to doĒ run. This time it was different. This mission took me 5 stat hours, but in reality with all these reloads it was probably 7 or 8 hours. The first time I played, I had huge problem with navigating this city. The map wasnít really helpful. There is so many scribbles and I had a problem to notice where are streets and where are walls on this map. Thatís why I used it the least as possible. My ghosting run wasnít that confusing. Still I donít like a map, but from the first time I remembered the paths pretty well. And still it was the longest run so far.

    Partially the reason for that is the fact that I was fixated about loot. The first time I explored everything, but still got barely enough loot. So I decided to look very carefully everywhere to get as much loot as possible. I was also worried that some loot will be impossible, because it will alert some NPC. I was wrong. I managed to finish loot objective in Rose Garden and I still had 3 big area to explore. I finished this mission with 3544 loot and there is still so much to find.

    The second reason is guards. Their patrols are short and tight. Even though most of the time itís just 2 guards at once itís still tough. Guards are easily alerted, just a second in medium light in front of them or short sound on noisy floor is enough to second alert them. Not only that their placement is really strategical and also their range of seeing is really big. Another thing to worry is that they are placed on different levels. Sometimes when you are high above street, guards walking on street can still notice you. Sometimes I even got ambushed from unexpected direction (for example archer walking on Lord Haskell bridge noticed me when I was jumping on the left or walking on the ramp below him). But there is one advantage Ė guards usually canít see you when you are crouching in full shadow.

    This mission is really tricky and I love it. Mortesaigues Manor was really tricky. I was forced to use 1 moss arrow on the little balcony to retrieve rope arrow without making any noise. That was the only moss arrow I used, I didnít use water arrow except holy water arrow on cursed gem. I didnít douse any candles. I douse light mushrooms though, but mostly because it was easier to blindly frob everything. Al-Asri tower was pretty tough as well. I was forced to go behind archer and quickly hide in the shadow near his standing point. The second archer across was also tricky. By the way is there a key to door in the separate little area under this archerís patrol point?

    Rose Garden was probably the toughest place with 4 guard and bartender woman. It was really hard to ghost. Burrick was surprisingly easy to deal with. Escorting Bernalt was surprisingly easy. I managed to do that on my first try. Grandmauden was also tough. At the beginning I was scared by ghosting the thief and guard patrolling long balcony leading to the window. But it went really well. Unfortunately opening ventilation grate wakes up sleeping woman. Is it a second alert or first? I donít know. I assume itís first, but Iím not entirely sure. Later I discovered that lever of the gate leading out of the library can be activated through wall, but I was too tired to redo the whole Grandmauden.

    Haskell Manor unfortunately activated haunts. To my surprise sound of the curse alerted guard, so I waited for him to go farther. Originally I planed to use a bridge and Skull Secret shortcut, but I forgot about that. I used door to outside and unfortunately activated fight between haunt and guard. So thatís 1 body count for me. Plus all NPC became extra twitchy. Citizen were randomly starting to ran away and I couldnít move in full shadow, because guard nearby would immediately attack me even when I was crouching behind him. So I went left through tavern, then through whole Mortesaigues again, then jump to the Al-Asri tower and jump across the street where roof access was located. But I closed that passage, because I thought that it will not be needed. So instead I dropped onto red roof and dropped on the street. Thatís a shortcut I discovered the first time I played. Then I should use my shortcut onto wooden bridge to the Skull shortcut, but instead I went north on the street. I noticed drunken guard, so I dropped onto lamp below and then on the street. And after this overly complicated detour I went to Stonemarket.

    I have no idea if going through the bridge donít activate fight between haunt and guard. Last minute thought: there is note in Master Forger about destroying curse by blessing. But there is also a note about destroying an effect with fire. I wonder if shooting fire arrows at pedestal around safe will disable spawning of the haunts. I wonder if itís possible and I wonder if itís actually possible to shoot fire arrows without alerting guards.

    I managed to help thief this time and also found hidden cemetery. Though I think it was unitended way Ė by climbing steep metal roof. I also managed to get secret gas arrow at the rooftops. I did it again probably unintended way. I roped up to big tree above corpse with 2 gold nuggets.

    This was really interesting and long mission. What annoyed me though was bugs. It was really annoying to try to rope to a place and this bug with arrow stuck mid-air or I couldnít drop items. Luckily reload fix the problems, but while ghosting it appeared many times. I also donít like that haunts are fighting with guards. I would prefer if they would cooperate with them, just like they cooperate with thieves. And one more thing Ė after picklocking Lord Haskellís gate, I can lock it with lever. If I go quickly outside without getting Vault Key and finishing cursed gem objective, I get permanently stuck. I canít pick the lock again, because itís in the open state and I canít reach the lever through wall.

  16. #166
    Classical Master 2008
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Civitas Quinque Ecclesiae HU
    Thanks for your detailed comments, Galaer!

  17. #167
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: France (Saint-Gobain)
    Replaying this mission on expert, there's only one goal left for me, and its's getting on my nerves , iīm suppose to get the golden plate from Master Forger's house , but iīm not sure i was able to identify its building, iīve check the map, and still iīm not sure, iīve been trying to find a way in , but i can't, i found a closed door in a narrow balcony but it needs a key. how do i get inside the Master Forger's house ?

    Nevermind... i understood better now the map, i was in the wrong building, found the right one and complete my goal
    Last edited by Cardia; 21st Jan 2019 at 18:59.

  18. #168
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2009
    Expert, 3:18, 3632/4319 loot. Man, talk about interconnected. Other people's comments made me afraid of getting overwhelmed and stuck at the beginning, so I decided to play naturally and explore whatever route seemed most interesting at the moment without worrying about missing stuff, and the mission flowed pretty well that way. I had to take notes on points of interest to return to later, but the backtracking was fairly painless thanks to the gates that open up connections to previous areas. Even more so than Disorientation, this mission captures that "just passing through" feeling where you never know what neat little area you'll pop your head into next. A door in the attic leads to a garden, then an air vent, then a broom closet, then the rafters of a bar, then a secret passageway behind the throne room, that kind of feeling. Small atmospheric details and loot were expertly placed, which is no surprise considering the author. I also appreciated the lack of a no-kills objective on Expert, because I like to try to fight my way out of trouble if a make a small mistake instead of quickloading.

    I did encounter the object limit bug (arrows freezing in midair) but I only had to restart the game once to fix it, so it didn't ruin my playthrough.
    Last edited by Wormrat; 4th Feb 2019 at 23:12. Reason: spoiler tag

  19. #169
    Classical Master 2008
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Civitas Quinque Ecclesiae HU
    Thanks!

  20. #170
    New Member
    Registered: Jan 2018
    Location: Essex, UK

    I can hear him singing!

    I'm in Dead Cat Alley, near Thin Alley and I can hear a drunk singing and hiccupping but I can't find him! I think he's up high as the higher I go the clearer I can hear him but just can't find him. There was a gold goblet on a windowsill over Thin Alley, accessible by mantling a statue but I can't get higher in this area and this is where he's loudest, Is he findable? Can anyone help?!

  21. #171
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: MalmŲ, Sweden
    Quote Originally Posted by Thiefcat View Post
    I'm in Dead Cat Alley, near Thin Alley and I can hear a drunk singing and hiccupping but I can't find him! I think he's up high as the higher I go the clearer I can hear him but just can't find him. There was a gold goblet on a windowsill over Thin Alley, accessible by mantling a statue but I can't get higher in this area and this is where he's loudest, Is he findable? Can anyone help?!
    Yes - he is high up on roofs.

    It's somewhat difficult, but you can get up near the door you need a skull to open.

  22. #172
    New Member
    Registered: Jan 2018
    Location: Essex, UK
    Quote Originally Posted by jiansonz View Post
    Yes - he is high up on roofs.

    It's somewhat difficult, but you can get up near the door you need a skull to open.
    Ah the skull! Thank you! Just remind me where the skull is again?

    I had been to that door and read the inscription but then got sidetracked by the rest of this epic city!

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