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Thread: FM Stats 2019

  1. #1
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    Registered: Aug 2012

    FM Stats 2019

    I always enjoyed looking at the yearly FM stat graphs made by Ricebug, but since he has retired (and the old graphs from his site no longer seem to be available), I went ahead and compiled my own stat graph:



    I counted all the FMs downloadable from Taffer's Paradise, which has a fairly complete collection (I think only one or two Polish-only releases are missing) and is up to date.

    The numbers overlap a lot when it comes to the mid 00s with TDS, TDM and TG, but I didn't find a way to fix that.

    The spike of TG FMs due to the 20th anniversary contest is very noticeable!

    EDIT: Updated with data corrections from this thread.
    Last edited by JarlFrank; 23rd Jan 2020 at 08:20.

  2. #2
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Dragonsreach
    Thanks for continuing this tradition, JarlFrank!

  3. #3
    Yes, I loved these charts when Ricebug was doing them, it's too bad they all disappeared when he retired from Thief.

    One quick correction - I believe there were 7 T2 missions in 2018. Looks like Taffers Paradise doesn't list Darkstone Gems Point of Entry or the Mortuos Liber Campaign (which did include new missions).

  4. #4
    One other thing I found - 2017 should only have 21 T2 missions. Taffers Paradise has The Korrigans (2006) and Roofs of Gold (2015) mistakenly listed as 2017 missions.

    Btw, not doing this to be a jerk! I just always figure I'm missing stuff on Southquarter so I was comparing my numbers to Taffers Paradise. While comparing, I actually discovered that I had forgotten to include Compulsory Egress in my database (oops) until today. So it goes both ways.

  5. #5
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    Registered: Feb 2016
    Taffer's Paradise is missing The Upward Spiral and TSR-1000, both T1 missions by Spoonman, so 2018 and 2019 should both have 1 more T1 mission.

  6. #6
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    Registered: Mar 2018
    Taffer's Paradise is also missing This FM haz no sense! and A Visit for the Knights. Both downloads I found on ttlg.de. Other missing FMs are also there. It has even Haplo's Portal demo from 2019. So I think it's better site to check.

    Anyway, I found this graph quite interesting to see. I noticed that T2 FMs in last 2 years are on quite low level. I guess people are working for their contest entries or their campaigns. Also I read in Ricebug's FM stats that there was confusing situation with 2 T2 FMs showed as released in 1999. I'm happy you didn't make the same thing here.

  7. #7
    Master Builder 2018
    Registered: Jul 2008
    Thanks, Jarl! Great to see this continue!

    I've always thought it less than an accurate depiction of community activity to count multi-mission campaigns as a single data entry. It makes it seem as if production is lower than it actually is. In recent years, we've seen many large campaigns.

  8. #8
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    Registered: Jan 2014
    I’m not sure where you’re getting the tdm mission stats from but in 2018 we had 10fms released and in 2019 we had 11.

    Check out here for the most reliable source: https://www.thedarkmod.com/missions/?sort=releasedate

  9. #9
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    Registered: Aug 2012
    Thanks for all the data corrections. I think I'll wait a little while in case more pop up, and then overhaul the graph. I just went by what's hosted on Taffer's Paradise without cross-referencing other sites.

  10. #10
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    Registered: Mar 2005
    Location: Kent, UK
    Fixed the date issues with those two missions now. What Polish-only missions are missing from taffers, drop me the names of those missions and ill see about adding them.

    Mortuos Liber is on taffers. Added Darkstone Gem Chapter 2, Part 3, also fixed some of the naming of the Darkstone missions.

    This FM haz no sense! and A Visit for the Knights and portal(demo) are now on taffers.

    The Upward Spiral and TSR-1000 are both sorted now and can be downloaded.
    Last edited by Lord Soth; 22nd Jan 2020 at 10:43.

  11. #11
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    Registered: Jan 2011
    Location: Wild and Wooly West of Ireland
    Good to see this tradition still going! Thanks for this JF.

  12. #12
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    Registered: Oct 2012
    Accurate initial release dates can be a nightmare to pinpoint as a lot of missions are re-released after an update and most d/l sites then list the release date for the updated release rather than the original release date, I know this is what Lord Soth usually does on Taffers Paradise, and Datefate is not a lot better I'm afraid as well as that Ricebug regularly included missions in his walkthrough folders according to the later release date.

    Similarly going by the read me files can also be misleading as authors sometimes write the read me file weeks before the mission is actually released due to beta testing delays, so the only accurate way of establishing the correct release date for the initial release is to trawl through the forum for each mission.

    Couple of things that could help you include a 'FM's by date doc' I have on file, the original compiler I can't remember, but you can find it here , sadly it only goes up to April 2014

    I also found quite a few anomalies in release dates when compiling the updated T2 lootlists, for example the read me file of a number of TCrap missions stated their release date being different the the actual release date of Dec 2006 and one of the other contests was delayed for a few months but only a few authors amended their read me files.

    I've only redone the lootlists up to 2006 so far but have tried to be as accurate as possible when recording the initial release date, you can find them here

  13. #13
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    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: France (Saint-Gobain)
    I believe this site is the most accurate when it comes to missions that have been released, i think all missions that were released are listed in this site:

    http://ladyjo1.free.fr/thief/spip.php?rubrique1

  14. #14
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    Registered: Oct 2004
    Location: Ireland/Poland
    May I suggest adding a 'Total' count to the graph as well? This would be a sum of FMs released for all the games in a year. This would reflect overall activity of the entire community.

    And seconding somebody's else suggestion on the individual missions count in addition to the current FM archives count (missions or campaigns), would better reflect the volume of work done. (and entertainment received )

  15. #15
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    Registered: Aug 2012
    Quote Originally Posted by Brethren View Post
    One other thing I found - 2017 should only have 21 T2 missions. Taffers Paradise has The Korrigans (2006) and Roofs of Gold (2015) mistakenly listed as 2017 missions.

    Btw, not doing this to be a jerk! I just always figure I'm missing stuff on Southquarter so I was comparing my numbers to Taffers Paradise. While comparing, I actually discovered that I had forgotten to include Compulsory Egress in my database (oops) until today. So it goes both ways.
    Thanks Brethren, I changed 2017 to 21 and added one more FM to 2006 and 2015.

    Quote Originally Posted by vegetables View Post
    Taffer's Paradise is missing The Upward Spiral and TSR-1000, both T1 missions by Spoonman, so 2018 and 2019 should both have 1 more T1 mission.
    Added one more FM to 2018 and 2019.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaer View Post
    Taffer's Paradise is also missing This FM haz no sense! and A Visit for the Knights. Both downloads I found on ttlg.de. Other missing FMs are also there. It has even Haplo's Portal demo from 2019. So I think it's better site to check.
    Added This FM haz no sense! and A Visit for the Knights to their respective years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tannar View Post
    Thanks, Jarl! Great to see this continue!

    I've always thought it less than an accurate depiction of community activity to count multi-mission campaigns as a single data entry. It makes it seem as if production is lower than it actually is. In recent years, we've seen many large campaigns.
    That would be a little difficult though, as I'd have to look at all multi-mission releases across 20 years...
    The big and commonly known multi-mission releases would be easy to analyze (Seven Sisters, Godbreaker, etc), but there also also plenty of lesser-known releases with 2 missions or more. Moreover, some FMs have the first mission be a camvator intro and only the second mission have real gameplay. Would we count the camvator sequence as its own mission, since it's its own .mis file?

    It's a bit tricky, and for this statistic counting releases is more convenient for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldwell View Post
    Iím not sure where youíre getting the tdm mission stats from but in 2018 we had 10fms released and in 2019 we had 11.

    Check out here for the most reliable source: https://www.thedarkmod.com/missions/?sort=releasedate
    Changed the TDM releases based on the TDM site, thanks Goldwell. Also adjusted all the other years based on the TDM website, although that might have reduced the overall amount of releases compared to Taffer's Paradise? 2011 has 21 releases on Paradise, but only 13 on thedarkmod.com. That's a huge discrepancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Soth
    Fixed the date issues with those two missions now. What Polish-only missions are missing from taffers, drop me the names of those missions and ill see about adding them.
    Just checked your site again and the Polish missions are there. I assumed they were missing because they have an English flag in the language tab.

    Quote Originally Posted by PinkDot
    May I suggest adding a 'Total' count to the graph as well? This would be a sum of FMs released for all the games in a year. This would reflect overall activity of the entire community.
    Yep. Added.

  16. #16
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    Registered: Mar 2005
    Location: Kent, UK
    What missions are those, i'll fix them in the language tab. If i am not sure about the language, then i tend to just stick the English flag next to it be default.

  17. #17
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    Registered: Aug 2012
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Soth View Post
    What missions are those, i'll fix them in the language tab. If i am not sure about the language, then i tend to just stick the English flag next to it be default.
    I know those two are Polish for sure:

    Podroz do Krainy Biedakow(Polish) Kapitan Smith 2007.11.19 N/A 27.9 T2

    Mistrz: Efekty Specjalne Bukary 2002.05.16 N/A 1.9 T2

  18. #18
    New Member
    Registered: Feb 2019
    Thank you JarlFrank for posting this. It's very interesting to see the impact the anniversary contest had on the number of T1 and T2 missions. Hopefully T2 FMs will again return to their steady value of about 20 Missions per year after the T2 anniversary contest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardia View Post
    I believe this site is the most accurate when it comes to missions that have been released, i think all missions that were released are listed in this site:

    http://ladyjo1.free.fr/thief/spip.php?rubrique1
    I did not know that site still existed, I have always thought it went offline a few years ago. Thanks for bringing it to my attention

  19. #19
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    Registered: May 2001
    Location: Boston MA
    Nice job Jarlfrank, thanks for your hard work. Much appreciated by the community.

    I always loved seeing this graph each year. It does tell a sad story on one hand that the number of missions continues to decline each year but a good story that new missions continue after 20 years.

    bbb

  20. #20
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    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Pushing my luck with Dromed
    Quote Originally Posted by JarlFrank View Post
    Would we count the camvator sequence as its own mission, since it's its own .mis file?
    My opinion is 'no', because there's no gameplay. Camvators are easier alternatives to movies.

    The graph suggests NewDark gave a boost to FM releases, perhaps because some people were struggling against the original engine and all of a sudden it was like a pressure valve being opened. The previous trend then continues, which may be because the increased capabilities of NewDark have removed limits that, while frustrating at times, also helped authors focus, in a similar way that contests do.

  21. #21
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Dragonsreach
    I agree. I think part of the decline in numbers since NewDark came out is because it allows authors to create more complicated missions, which take more time to produce. Also we have been seeing more lengthy campaigns in recent years, which also slow down those authors' production and also only register as a single release in the chart.

  22. #22
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    Registered: Aug 2012
    If people help me out with cataloguing them, I'd be willing to make a separate statistic for campaigns. For that, I'd need to know every release with at least 2 missions in it, and the exact number of missions in the release - pure camvator missions would be excluded from that count.

    I'm not going through 1302 releases on my own. :P

    As an example, something like Godbreaker, which has 4 missions, would count as a 3 mission campaign, since one of them is just a dialogue cutscene with no gameplay.

  23. #23
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Dragonsreach
    I'll help you with mine right now!

    DCE (2017) is 10 missions but should be counted as 8 missions with actual gameplay.

  24. #24
    This may help on campaigns (just updated a few things):

    https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140234

  25. #25
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2004
    Location: Ireland/Poland
    Camvators still require work and time spent and they add to the overall experience of the campaign. Counting them in would better reflect the overall productivity of the community. Separating playable missions from not playable is really a gray area. There has been a number of tech demos released or many entries of the beauty contest, which had no gameplay apart from walking. Not to mention that some FMs are impossible to play from either a quality or technical point of view... So, where do you set the boundry?

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