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Thread: Your thoughts on Crysis?

  1. #176
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    The stutters were worst on the Post-Production section of the documentary. Once I skipped that the rest was fine. Shame I didn't get to see the rest of that section, found it quite interesting (i.e. the whole voiceover-no-voiceover bit). Disc doesn't look scratched either, which is why I was asking.

    Anyway, more Crysis stuff: Crysis really is graphics-intensive, hence a bad sell?

  2. #177
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    Registered: Apr 2007
    Location: Land of the bar stewards
    Looks like I'm not the only one bored by yet another PC FPS. If there weren't so many of them offering more or less the same experience, maybe sales would be healthier. As it is, only HL2 is really trying to give us more than the run-and-gun gameplay we've had since Doom.

  3. #178
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by HybridVision View Post
    Looks like I'm not the only one bored by yet another PC FPS. If there weren't so many of them offering more or less the same experience, maybe sales would be healthier. As it is, only HL2 is really trying to give us more than the run-and-gun gameplay we've had since Doom.
    Looks like someone's talking out of their ass. You've never played Crysis, have you?

  4. #179
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    Registered: Jun 2006
    Location: Room 641A
    only HL2 is trying to be different to doom? what about stalker or bioshock? Crysis goes for freedom of approach and strategic/action paced gameplay totally different--buy it...

    perhapses crysis could be a slow but fairly steady seller. with high system requirements many people will be forced to put of buying it until they have a better system, and when they finally come to buying a new system then to show of their new g card they may want to throw as much as they can at it...

    the articles however are horribly misleading, just because the very high settings cannot be run even on 3 8800s does not mean to say that you can't run it well on a mid system. Indeed software and not hardware limitations could well be the cause of that "low" frame rate, my system can run crysis on high setting with no problems but still struggles to cope with FEAR at max with lots of aa...
    +the article also forgets to mention what res they were running at which is massively important when it comes to performance. In short don't believe these idiots, imho they are just looking for something spurious to infer...

  5. #180
    Taking the Death Toll
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: they/them mayhem
    Quote Originally Posted by HybridVision View Post
    Looks like I'm not the only one bored by yet another PC FPS. If there weren't so many of them offering more or less the same experience, maybe sales would be healthier. As it is, only HL2 is really trying to give us more than the run-and-gun gameplay we've had since Doom.
    You don't play a lot of games, do you.

  6. #181
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    I could've stood for worse graphics with less intrusive LOD popping.

  7. #182
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    Registered: Dec 2002
    Quote Originally Posted by HybridVision View Post
    As it is, only HL2 is really trying to give us more than the run-and-gun gameplay we've had since Doom.
    Deep breaths, and count from 10 to 1 in german. Hoookay, moving on...

    Quote Originally Posted by N'Al
    Crysis really is graphics-intensive, hence a bad sell?
    Well isn't this interesting? SLI sucks, most people should know that, and Crysis sucks on SLI, most people playing Crysis should know that. The article on Kotaku is so incredibly vague("Very High" with no info on resolution, AA, AF, RAM, CPU, etc.) it's not even funny. I don't know about the REAL article, since Kotaku redirected me to digg which redirected me to yet something else at which point I gave up and used my psychic powers to eradicate digg from the Internet(It's still there, but it's probably just my browser's cache). The cherry-on-top moment was the "a respectable (but far from mind-blowing) 37.9 FPS". Crysis doesn't need high FPS because of the way it renders - but they have already proven they don't know what the hell they are talking about so putting that aside, if 37 is not enough for someone, he really needs to be whipped with an extension cord.
    As for the sales, you can build a box which runs Crysis on all high with no problems for under $700 not including the monitor, and I won't even mention there's also Medium which according to my reports runs on current budget cards. Of course no one will really care because they read on Kotaku that you can't run it, in, like, in a hundred years.

    Speaking of Crysis sales, suprisingly it was momentarily second best selling PC game in Japan. Why would japanese who don't play PC games in general, and if they do they're dating sims/eroge(Which will run on a cheap notebook), and - to put it mildly - do not usually buy foreign games, get Crysis? My speculation that they just want to kill some koreans is indubitably baseless, unfair, xenophobic, homophobic and racist.
    Last edited by Koki; 16th Dec 2007 at 06:14. Reason: wrong link, child pornography instead of japan sales. Ooops.

  8. #183
    Taking the Death Toll
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: they/them mayhem
    Quote Originally Posted by Koki View Post
    Reason: wrong link, child pornography instead of japan sales. Ooops.
    Why Koki, what DO you have in your clipboard?

  9. #184
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    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Very close...
    Um, the genre is crowded. Putting out crap all the same time is dumb as I believe I made a thread about not too terribly long ago. Unless you design something spectacular competition is a bad thing.



    Koki... how does it make you homophobic to think that? I'm curious.

  10. #185
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    Registered: Apr 2007
    Location: Land of the bar stewards
    Quote Originally Posted by dethtoll View Post
    You don't play a lot of games, do you.
    No. 90% of them aren't worth the time

  11. #186
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    Registered: Jun 2000
    Location: Wellington, New Zealand
    Quote Originally Posted by Aristed View Post
    Crysis goes for freedom of approach and strategic/action paced gameplay totally different--buy it...
    It is just a shame that once you enter the alien ship that all that freedom goes away and it turns into a heavily linear experience. That said the fights up to entering the ship are all a lot of fun.

    the articles however are horribly misleading, just because the very high settings cannot be run even on 3 8800s does not mean to say that you can't run it well on a mid system. Indeed software and not hardware limitations could well be the cause of that "low" frame rate, my system can run crysis on high setting with no problems but still struggles to cope with FEAR at max with lots of aa...
    +the article also forgets to mention what res they were running at which is massively important when it comes to performance. In short don't believe these idiots, imho they are just looking for something spurious to infer...
    Indeed it also depends on what you expect as a comfortable experience. Most FPS purists recoil in horror at playing at less than 40 FPS and I must admit games like Half Life 2 become quite different once you can play it at those speeds - using the crowbar to take out headcrabs mid-air for instance becomes a viable response that a lower frame-rate simply doesn't permit.

    That said with Crysis' open (well for the aforementioned first half of the game) approach then a lower frame-rate is very viable. You just tend to less of the in your face Rambo rushes and a bit more long range sniping and stealth. I've played Crysis through on the Dx9 version of very high (so hacked cfg files) and it worked well. I was amazed at how well the HD2900XT held up when playing at 1680x1050. Yes the frame-rate is mid twenties and you definitely don't enable AA. But it was just so pretty that otherwise I was happily spending my time sneaking, shooting and being devious to various North Korean troops...

    If anything what I'd like to see is Crysis patched to make better use of multiple cores as I suspect a healthy chunk of performance is being choked by blocks in the engine. In particular background data loading causes drop spikes here and there which, if Bioshock is anything to go by, could be completely eliminated by proper multi-core threading.

  12. #187
    Taking a break
    Registered: Dec 2002
    Quote Originally Posted by MSX View Post
    Koki... how does it make you homophobic to think that? I'm curious.
    Yeah, me too.

    I can understand all people who don't like the alien ship and beyond, because it is linear - but honestly, why does it bother you so much? Assuming, you know, that all other FPSes are as linear as that part for the whole time. Or do you feel cheated when you spend most of the game running around and then you're stripped down of that ability?

  13. #188
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    Registered: Jun 2006
    Location: Room 641A
    I didn’t mind the alien ship. At first it was interesting because it was new and different then just as I was getting pissed off that the game had gone linear it ended and went back outside again. I think without it I would criticized the game for lack of variety in location and samey gameplay. So it (and the frozen jungle) were imho good design decisions, but the first half of the game is defiantly better…

  14. #189
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    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: Vienna, Austria
    alien ship was nice because you got no objective, no clue. could have been better. I like the ice land level after it. last level, especially the ship with the big boss reminded me of those old scroll-down shooters where you have to take down the boss ship piece by piece while it does the same moves over and over again. so first half and 1 level in last half was very good imo.
    let's hope for better performance and those 9800 nvidia cards !

  15. #190
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    Registered: Dec 2007
    Location: Finger paintings of the insane
    I had a LOT more fun w/FarCry (hell I still play it frequently), and it was worth upgrading for. This is NOT.

  16. #191
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    Registered: Jun 2006
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsmoke View Post
    I had a LOT more fun w/FarCry (hell I still play it frequently), and it was worth upgrading for. This is NOT.
    i would say given the expense of upgrading and the length (short) of Crysis that you are right. but mostly because when far cry came out HL2 and doom 3 were also around the corner and i don't think that one game will ever be worth upgrading for. It looks as though Crysis will remain alone in its high requirements for a while, with games on the unreal 3 engine and all cross platform games not needing an upgrade it doesn't look like a necessary time for an upgrade...

  17. #192
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    Registered: Dec 2007
    Location: Finger paintings of the insane
    FarCry has much better multi-player, as well. I have made lasting friendships from that community. I just can't praise that game enough. I mean, considering how green the CryTek staff was at the time, they put out a AAA title that shook the market up, and raised the bar for all future titles to come. The genre was getting stagnant at the time.

  18. #193
    Taking the Death Toll
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: they/them mayhem
    I didn't like FarCry. Something about it just seemed "off" to me. A big part of it was the "no saves" function, which just pissed me off.

  19. #194
    I've been playing Crysis on my new system for a bit, and it's quite impressive. A Q6600, 2 GB of DDR2, and a 8800 GT 512 MB net me a playable experience with Very High settings(though on 1024x768 and no apparent AA or AF). (Yes, I know, framerates may be a bit low, but my prior system performed much worse on MINIMUM. Thus, I'm thankful for what I can get.)

    However, I haven't hopped online yet. Don't want to run into any arrogant douchebags. Would any of you have a server or two to recommend?

  20. #195
    Taking a break
    Registered: Dec 2002
    I don't think there's anything to recommend. Crysis generally failed in multiplayer department, there's max about 500 or so people on.

  21. #196
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    Registered: Jun 2002
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    Just finished this today. I hadn't read the thread, I hadn't read any review online and apart from seeing a few screenshots or hearing a few "it's far cry 1.5 with boring aliens" I had nothing to build any expectation from. We'd received our shiny new 8800 GT two days ago so I thought I would give it a go and with a hunch, I started a game in Delta mode, the hardest setting.

    I didn't expect this game to be good on anything but the atmosphere and presentation. Well, I had a blast. I have no idea how the other difficulty modes play, but playing on Delta is incredibly tense and satisfying. Crysis is not a "mindless shooter" or "half life in a bigger tunnel", it's a fucking stealth shooter for at least two thirds of it, and a damn fine one with that. You have an incredibly vast array of ways to approach a situation, exploiting the terrain, the physics, the buildings, ambushing korean patrols, crawling like the predator behind the prey invisible and ready to strike, or throwing a few grenades to a precise point to catch the attention of guards and expose them to your gunfire, using a vehicle-mounted turret, setting up remote controlled bombs, etc. etc.
    As you need only a few bullets to die on that setting, everything must be well thought out, calculated, planned -from the beginning of the assault to even the escape routes- : "Should I miss my stealthy ambush and get spotted, what's the best way to go ? That dense forest to the north, with the risk of being caught by a nearby patrol ? That jeep in the backyard, if only I can get it out of the camp quickly enough ? That cliff to the south, leaping towards the safe waters down there, but far away from my objective ?". Yeah, right, it asks for some intellectual effort. Most people will just want to run in there, gun everyone, save and reload if killed. But the game gives you the power to make it a fantastic experience and that's the same thing which made the gameplay of Thief appealing to me.

    Crysis is, in a few words, a goldmine of voluntary satisfaction in tactics and combat with sheer amazement from the atmosphere and technology thrown inbetween. Of course that is for most of the game, the part before the alien facility. After that, it became a bit too linear and over the top (unlike HL2) for my tastes, but the combat was still as fun. The plot is your basic sci-fi hollywoodian script, but the characters are surprisingly believeable and a few ideas are brilliant. This itself would make the game redeemable if it played like Far Cry 1.5. So add to this the technology (graphics, physics), the setting and the gameplay, and you have my third contender FPS of 2007 with Orange Box and Stalker. I'd even put it oh so slightly above Episode 2 (for all it does NEW).

    Time to pick up a random save near the half of the game and get back to sneaking or killing koreans in a completely different manner than what I first did.

    man why did I even waste my time finishing bioshock ?

  22. #197
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    Registered: Aug 2006
    Location: Vienna, Austria
    yeah, you speak my language.
    unfortunately I have my troubles with mid-20s FPS when playing on higher difficutly settings. most of the "stunts" I wanna try don't work out cause I just miss more headshots or have trouble doing 180s quick enough.
    and since I can't get the game to play >60 on ANY setting I just go for long-range and the pretty pictures. But shooter-related I would say it tops everything before it (CODs, FC, HLs)

  23. #198
    Taking a break
    Registered: Dec 2002
    Finally some decent opinions - decent because I agree with them.

    Finished that shit 5 times. Best FPS since Deus Ex, definitely.

  24. #199
    Taking the Death Toll
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: they/them mayhem
    Quote Originally Posted by Koki View Post
    Finally some decent opinions - decent because I agree with them.
    This explains so much about you.

  25. #200
    BR796164
    Registered: Dec 2000
    Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
    Quote Originally Posted by N'Al View Post
    BR Numbers, did you have problems playing the Dangerous Days commentary? My disc seems to stutter and hang ever now and then, no matter which DVD drive I play it in (1 Xbox, 2 laptops).
    My Asus DVD Player (LG drive) crashed about two times when I skipped some chapters, but I get similar hangups and crashes with other film DVDs as well when I'm skipping sections, so I didn't find it extraordinary.
    Anyways, great documentary, precious unused footage, I was like all the time. However I am disappointed by the new color scheme of the film as well. Too much green/blue tint and too dark, so I created my own color profile for it.

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