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  1. #4626
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Not necessarily. From the very opening of the very first episode on, the White Walkers were geared up to be the true threat of the series. All other concerns paled to the threat they represent.

    spoiler:
    Killing The Night King before addressing Cersei just doesn't seem to gell with how things felt they were being set up through the previous 7 seasons. After ending an existential threat to all of humanity, even she seems somewhat like an after-the-fact aside.

    Though I wonder how they'll manage to pull of taking the Iron Throne, given that there are now roughly 20 people left in Daenerys' army (which Cersei did predict would happen, and it will be interesting to see how she takes advantage of it).
    dema's got it. A show with politics this deep and thoroughly plotted was never going to put all its draconic eggs in that poorly explained fantasy existential threat basket, which for the majority of the show was off to the side while people backstabbed, forestabbed, sidestabbed, and self-stabbed their way through each scene. While the episode dealt with the most looming threat in epic fashion, you can bet your knickerbockers the real climax is about to go down now with the infighting and betrayals between those who remain and the final twists in the tales of these characters we've got to know over the past bunch of years, Cersei's next power play, and Ghost finally getting the screentime he's goddamn due.

    Having said that, despite the numerous tactical errors people have noted, this episode felt like one of the purest depictions of hell I've ever seen on any screen with moving pictures projected onto it. The muted palette, the muted sounds, the 45 degree camera shutter effect, the sinister percussion in the background score, the scale and intimacy of a dozen different scenes across that hour and change - yeah, fuck me, that was something else.

    Though of course, in retrospect, a lot of the things outside of the technical execution of the episode were kinda disappointing. Jon and Dany pretty much flailed about for the entirety of it, Jorah didn't get as much character time as he should have, Sansa and Tyrion did... something heroic? I think? And of course the entire resolution was anticlimactic despite the episode doing its damnedest to temper Arya's badassery with a very human fear of what she's facing. I guess we'll see why Bran felt the need to warg around the end - it couldn't have been for simple recon. Anyway, RIP all you poor sods who didn't get the endings you deserved. (Edd... )
    Last edited by Sulphur; 30th Apr 2019 at 16:50.

  2. #4627
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    The recording of those high school kids that put on Alien is up:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX3VaFG7AvU

    Sigourney Weaver actually opens the show, so it's the real deal.
    I'm like a quarter of the way through. It's pretty damn good, and not just for a high school production.
    Yeah, that was fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Camera recording is wonky. I think I read a proper high quality version is coming at some point, but I don't know 100%.
    If it does, I'll try to remember to edit it in to here.
    Nah, make a new post.

  3. #4628
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    I just watched S08E02 and S08E03 tonight. Didn't have time to really think about what I saw.

    I saw Season 1. Was blown away. I read all 5 books during the following winter. I watched all the other seasons. I lost interest during/after season 5. Right around the time the story went away from the books. Maybe also because I realized that GRRM will never finish his books. I watched S6 and S7, but didn't pay much attention. Two months ago I realized I hardly remembered what happened in S6 and S7. And decided to rewatch S6 and S7. Turns out I had to rewatch S5 as well, as I couldn't get into the story of S6. I couldn't be bothered about the story with its dragons, goblins, fire mages, elephants, elves and what not. It was really hard to watch. But then I finally got into it last week. So I could finally watch S08E01 yesterday. And I watched the last 2 episodes tonight.

    I must say, I loved S08E02. No action at all. No gun fights, no car chases, no nothing. Just people talking and waiting. Much more interesting than sword-fighting. Lots of references to earlier seasons. That felt good.

    And S08E03 is one of the most spectacular tv-episodes I ever watched. As I've said before, I'm over "action". But S08E03 was making me sit on the edge of my couch. Very well done. Maybe it's the real end of the series. I don't care if the next episodes are less exciting. For me the main story was about the walkers and the wall. The rest was fluff. (Fuck Braavos, fuck Mereen, fuck Slaver's Bay, fuck the Dothraki, fuck the Dorne story, fuck a lot of stuff in the books that weren't in the tv-series).

    I do have some criticism.
    ASOIAF was good because Martin did stuff that no other writers did. If you ever read his original plot, you know he wanted to do even more outrageous stuff, stuff that you can't do on TV anymore. (E.g. he wanted to have brothers and sisters have relationships). What he did with Ned Stark hadn't been done before. But since S5/S6/S7 it was clear that the story was now being led by D&D (the tv-show). And not by Martin. Everything in S5/S6/S7 is what you expect of ordinary tv-shows. Even S08E03 was just very predictable tv-entertainment. Very well done, but in the end, it all follows the general rules of story-telling and tv-making. I could be a little disappointed here, but I think I knew what to expect since S5/S6/S7).

    Also. As Nicker wrote there were so many questions that I expected to have answers to. What exactly where the white walkers ? Why did they want to extinct humanity ? What exactly was the Night's King ? Was he a Stark ? Did he have any relationship with Bran, other than being enemies ? What does "the three-eyed raven" exactly mean ? I also expected more of Bran ? I thought Bran was all-powerful. Why did he not do more, besides just wait ? Arya is imho a psychopath. She now saved the world ? Just like that ? I had hoped Theon would have killed the Night's King, tbh. I saw Theon as GRRM's Gollem. The anti-hero who has an imported role to play in the end. Too bad. Giving that role to Arya is just stereotypical TV. To be expected from D&D, but not from GRRM. Also, what a suprise that so many of the "heros" turn out to have plot-armor. I could go on. Why kill the stories of the High Sparrow, the Tullies, etc, etc ? All blown away with one bang ? Ridiculous. Why was there hardly any warging in the tv-series ? Anyway, enough whining for now. I like season 8 so far.
    Last edited by Gryzemuis; 30th Apr 2019 at 23:13.

  4. #4629
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    Registered: May 2004
    For me, Game of Thrones is mostly about the characters -- Tyrion, Jamie, Brienne, Clegane, Davos, Jon Snow, etc. And the show started to feel more and more like fan fiction as it went on. For example, Robb didn't marry Jeyne because he fell in love with her, he did it because of his sense of honour. That was the defining trait of his character that was also the downfall of his father -- honour above all else. Meanwhile, the show has him set his personal feelings above his sense of duty when he falls in love with some random camp follower, which goes against everything his character was supposed to be about. And if the show is willing to fuck up a main character so badly, I have no confidence they will treat other characters any better.

    I might pick it up again when the book series is finished, but for now it would just leave a bad taste in my mouth and spoil the characters in a still ongoing story.

  5. #4630
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Been slowly catching up on DUST, mentioned a page or so back. This one is just brilliant:



    All star cast. A particular actress (then), now a royal princess is in it as well. My favorite of the "DUST" videos so far.

  6. #4631
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    A reasonable and modest opinion on GoT S08E03.
    Warning, spoilers.
    It's 38 minutes long. But just watching a few minutes here and there is already illuminating.


    I also read this somewhere.
    In S01E01 we saw some mysterious things.
    We kept watching for 8 seasons to find out the answers to these mysteries.
    Finally we got the answers.
    Who were the White Walkers? Ice monsters.
    What did they want? To end humanity.
    Why were they killing humans? It's their thing.
    What made them return? \_(ツ)_/

    Good summary of the whole series.
    Last edited by Gryzemuis; 3rd May 2019 at 10:29.

  7. #4632
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    Registered: Jul 2002
    Location: Edmonton
    I gave up on Discovery a few weeks ago. I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but Discovery felt more like an obligation than something I actually wanted to watch. There were a couple of decent episodes midway through the season, but overall the pacing made it hard to watch. Many of the episodes moved way too fast for me to get invested in what was happening, and even the slower scenes were undermined by spinning cameras and incessant dramatic music that emphasized nothing in particular. And then, of course, a lingering close-up of Burnham crying and making her annoying shocked face in nearly every episode. I like most of the characters (and Burnham when she's not doing the crying thing), but it wasn't enough to make me want to keep my subscription to the stupid service you have to get here to watch Discovery. Maybe in a year or two I'll resubscribe and watch season 3, but not any time soon.

    edit -- oops, I was on the wrong page and thought we were still talking about this. Anyway, Sulphur's criticims are spot on.

  8. #4633
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I gave up on Discovery a few weeks ago. I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but Discovery felt more like an obligation than something I actually wanted to watch. There were a couple of decent episodes midway through the season, but overall the pacing made it hard to watch.
    That's about my take on Discovery. It has promise, but it's just too hyperactive, too much in a mad rush to tell an epic story. It takes no time out for the characters, only showing you enough to make you sorta committed to them before throwing them all headfirst into the plot.

    Meanwhile, the Orville becomes more and more like TNG with every passing episode.

  9. #4634
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    Quote Originally Posted by icemann View Post
    Been slowly catching up on DUST, mentioned a page or so back. This one is just brilliant:
    It was wasn't it? And with a princess no less. None of them are particularly bad but some few are a bit flat though with at least some interesting angle. That one was excellent. Most are better than 95% of what you see on TV. I wonder how many there are. I've been through dozens and I'm still finding new ones. Not sure what algorithm pegged me for these but I'm glad it did.

  10. #4635
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    For me, I went to their channel clicked videos, then sort from oldest, and have been watching from beginning to now. Definitely agree on quality. I dislike all of the animated ones I've watched so far.

    Aja: I don't see the pointbin subscribing to a service just for one show. Why not just download it via other ways?

    There was one about future policing being more like insurance plans. That was good. Very cyberpunk. Some have nudity and sex in them. Surprised Youtube allowed that (not that I have any issue with it).

    I hate seeing animal cruelty, even simulated. So the episode "iKiller" I'd suggest skipping. I've got so many videos left to watch, and a new one came out yesterday.

    Aja: I dont see the point in subscribing to a service just for one show. Why not just download it?
    Last edited by icemann; 4th May 2019 at 00:59.

  11. #4636
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    Quote Originally Posted by henke View Post
    Avengers Endgame

    Liked:
    [...]
    -FAT THOR! In fact I would've been fine with that being his character design from day 1. Fits with his good-time, mead-swilling persona. And what does he need to be in shape for anyway? He's a god! It's not like his divine strength comes from his actual muscles. As far as future Marvel movies I'm looking forward to, Thor teaming up with the Guardians is at the top of the list.
    I wasn't a fan of the number of jokes about that from other characters or the way the film treated him in a few scenes, but yeah fat Thor himself was great. I particularly liked that the key thing for him was finding a way to get an upper hand over his depression/ptsd, and that he fought as fat Thor rather than getting some sort of magical transformation back into buff Thor or something. Kinda hoping that he keeps the chubbiness even if he gets more of the muscles back, buff bear Thor would be amazing.
    Did not like:
    -Captain Marvel. I haven't seen her movie, but the only thing I learned about her character from this one is that she likes to change her hairdo a lot. Also she conveniently leaves the movie from most of the running time for REASONS only to show up at the end and act as a deus ex machina.
    I liked Captain Marvel in Endgame in particular because she tends to react to things exactly how I would in her situation both when she decides to go and kill Thanos in the beginning and when she's on the verge of breaking his fingers at the end. Women get little enough wish-fulfillment representation in a genre that's saturated with that for guys, let alone if you've got a bit of a ruthless streak. And I like that she's not invincible, the fact that Thanos was clearly fucked if he hadn't thought fast enough to use the power stone in his other hand felt like the perfect balance. I also felt like the film should have spent more time showing the effects the snap had on regular people, and other than the memorial with the huge circles of monuments, her line about the rest of the universe needing her more than Earth does was one of the few things that emphasised that (of course it's there so she won't be around to make the whole second act trivial, but it still has value beyond that).

    I do think they should have her be explicitly queer though, every lesbian I know fully expects her to be after her own film, let alone after Endgame.

    -Thanos turning into a regular comic book villain at the end. He was evil but compelling in the last movie, but when he decides to just wipe out all the life in the universe here the screenwriters are just giving us permission to unambiguously hate him and the whole thing turns into a bog-standard GOOD vs EVIL story.
    What I took from that was that this is a less emotionally mature version of Thanos. In his time he's still going planet by planet and presumably has more of a taste for blood at this stage, and that combined with learning that the good guys have reversed his plan after he won in their timeline, it feels right that he'd lose his composure and show more of the narcissism that was mostly buried/hidden in Infinity War. It does simplify the way we get to feel about him, but I think I prefer that to him not really changing, especially since we do get our semi-sympathetic moment when he's on the farm at the start.

    My own thoughts:

    I liked that they gave us the five year time skip and the slow start before the action really got going, it felt like a world and a set of characters that had really been living with the consequences of the snap - and for the most part really struggling with it. Like I said earlier, I'd have liked to see more of how the rest of the world was affected, but I can't fault the pacing in the slightest. I'm hoping that some of the next few films going forward will explore the consequences of reversing the snap - suddenly a lot of people who were thought to be gone forever are back, while on the other hand the survivors have aged five years from their perspective and presumably have been trying to move on. The people may be back but the world still has a lot of healing to do, and I really hope they don't gloss over that in the next few films, because it's a great opportunity for the MCU and even the genre to branch out into telling a richer variety of stories. In terms of other superhero movies, I liked both Venom and Captain Marvel for their buddy-cop elements as much as anything else, and I think there's heaps of potential for superhero films to diversify a lot more than that in terms of style and genre.

    Things I disliked/that I'd hoped to see that didn't happen:
    • I was hoping that Nebula would get to kill Thanos ever since Guardians vol. 2, it was a shame not to get that even if both of his deaths were super-fitting in the film
    • I was hoping that they wouldn't go with Ant-Man quantum realm time travel malarkey, it seemed too obvious, though I do think they pulled it off pretty well
    • I would have preferred Bucky rather than Sam to be the new Captain America, I like Sam as the Falcon and feel like he's a pretty under-appreciated character


    Best bits, in rough order:
    • Captain Marvel vs Thanos, both that she doesn't even flinch from his first attack, and that he still figures out how to stop her
    • Captain America using Mjolnir, we've been waiting to see that since Age of Ultron
    • The sheer emptiness when they kill Thanos at the start of the film, it both showed how far the heroes have fallen and set the tone for the post-snap world perfectly
    • The oh-shit moment when past Loki grabs the tesseract and escapes
    • The realisation that Captain America must have ran into the Red Skull when returning the soul stone (with no forewarning since presumably only Clint knows the Red Skull is there, and he probably doesn't know who that is)


    Overall a solid film, hoping to see it in the cinema a second time.

  12. #4637
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    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Another really good one from DUST. I'm slowly making my way through the videos. Warning do not watch this one if you suffer from epilepsy:



    The final minute of that, is the trippiest stuff I've seen in a long time.

  13. #4638
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    I'm pretty sure this is the simultaneously the best and worst thing I've ever seen at the end of a long-ass day. I laughed when I shouldn't have. Again, best and worst. It's the borst.



    Thanks for the profoundly mixed feelings, Jesh.

  14. #4639
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    Alien Covenant

    It was cheesy and plot points were very predictable. For what it's worth it was FAR, FAR better than Prometheus. Scott learned his lesson not to hire king hack Damon Lindelof. The crew weren't as braindead stupid as they were in Prometheus, for starters.

    6/10

  15. #4640
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    Quote Originally Posted by icemann View Post
    The final minute of that, is the trippiest stuff I've seen in a long time.
    While I did enjoy it I've seen infinitely more complex fractals just by closing my eyes while in a particular state. Infinitely. Beyond the scope of anything put to paper or film. I think the point is we watch till the end. We risk it don't we?

  16. #4641
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvaUnit02 View Post
    Alien Covenant

    It was cheesy and plot points were very predictable. For what it's worth it was FAR, FAR better than Prometheus. Scott learned his lesson not to hire king hack Damon Lindelof. The crew weren't as braindead stupid as they were in Prometheus, for starters.

    6/10
    Nah, it was even worse thanks to the sad excuse for an alien origin story they came up with. That crap retroactively ruins the entire franchise. Hmm, I wonder what backstory would deepen the intrigue of this mysterious and terrifying life form? Oh, I know - it was created by a ROBOTIC MAD SCIENTIST! Plus it was even more generic and unmemorable, which in my book is worse than memorably bad. But yes, Lindelof is dreadful with the sole exception of The Leftovers, and I dread his new Watchmen show.

  17. #4642
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    I've seen some decent attempts to defend both as invoking the cycles of Greek mythology (if Prometheus wasn't already obvious as a title) - the Titans and the new gods, Deucalion and Pyrrha, etc. etc. This doesn't wash, though, because the Greek myths were inherently about mankind's hubris as viewed through the higher powers of its gods. Greek gods are arguably some of the most human deities any civilisation has come up with, endowed with the full human emotional spectrum and a heaving extra helpful of the stuff that makes most people go 'hmm': lecherous, deceiving, egotistical, fearful, jealous, over-engorged with pride, etc.

    Alien, on the other hand, was a simple story about something primal and ineffable having come about from the devices of creators long-gone or long past caring about that sector of the universe. It isn't an argument for hubris or pathos, it just taps into our species' deeper fears of sex, birth, and death all deriving from the same source, and the universe doesn't care to differentiate between you and me or anyone in terms of how special we are to continue that cycle.

    The Scott sequels figured that that wasn't enough to hang the thread of a sequel around - which is fair, a sequence of films focusing on nihilism and raw survival can get pretty tiring after some time without a deeper point to be made - but I think they missed a trick in not embracing the fact that the title of the first fucking movie was Alien and going full bore into the unknown instead of welding the Greek mythos into the franchise so poorly that the entire frame fell apart in the end.

    And defend it if you want to, but two androids playing their bone flutes and kissing each other was an overextended act of narcissism (arguably the one Greek figure that would have been kinda effective as subtext in this framework, but of course in a movie like this it's just text) and the exact point where I realised that Alien: Covenant just made me feel very, very tired.

  18. #4643
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    About the most I can say about both movies is that I don't remember much. I remember morons entering and exploring a cave with a drone flying through it in the first and people hanging out in a massive & completely empty city in the second, and my memory gets really hazy really fast beyond images like that, how they got from those scenes to later scenes. It's possible I fell asleep halfway through Covenant. See I don't even remember that much, although I'd agree it was better than Prometheus, from what I remember I remember at least. Events in both movies were hard to connect while I was watching them; no way my poor memory is going to reconstruct them now.

    I mean as opposed to Alien & Aliens, of which I have a photographic memory literally scene by scene to the point of echoing the lines of characters as they say them. Well maybe a decade or two ago I could do that. It's been a long time since I've watched them lately. I might admit some of it was my greater enthusiasm for movies when I was younger; but I want say it has something to do with how movies are scripted and plotted these days, i.e., not as well.

  19. #4644
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    There are elements and aspects of both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant that I like a lot. Some of Prometheus especially is visually gorgeous, the performances in Covenant are generally strong, and I like the motifs of creator gods rejecting their creation (Prometheus) and the mirror image of this we get in Covenant, where an android created by man rebels against his creators by becoming the creator of abominations himself. There's potential in so much of this, but the scripts are not up to the job and the need to tie into the overall Alien mythos definitely doesn't either. Having the elements in there that are worthwhile just makes the failure of the two films more keenly felt IMO.

  20. #4645
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    Yes I was going to add that. I did quite like the art direction in both movies generally.
    Like I said (or meant to say) certain visual scenes were memorable and stuck with me.
    It's the one thing scifi movies over the last decade have been consistently good at.

  21. #4646
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    Location: Finland
    Yeah I agree with you guys, Alien Covenant was great! ANYWAY,



    I've been watching I Think You Should Leave on Netflix and it is good stuff. Also watched The Wandering Earth, which is a Chinese sci-fi movie where the earth is about to get swallowed by the sun so they put a bunch of rockets on one side of earth to fly it out of the solar system. Crazy stuff.

  22. #4647
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    henke:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thirith View Post
    There are elements and aspects of both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant that I like a lot. Some of Prometheus especially is visually gorgeous, the performances in Covenant are generally strong, and I like the motifs of creator gods rejecting their creation (Prometheus) and the mirror image of this we get in Covenant, where an android created by man rebels against his creators by becoming the creator of abominations himself. There's potential in so much of this, but the scripts are not up to the job and the need to tie into the overall Alien mythos definitely doesn't either. Having the elements in there that are worthwhile just makes the failure of the two films more keenly felt IMO.
    I've been tugging at the thread of what you're saying, and y'know, in principle I wouldn't disagree with your take. Yes, some individual components of the movies held up (and with Scott, you can comfortably bet it's production design and cinematography). And yes, the ideas would have been interesting for an entirely different IP altogether, even if still fundamentally fucked from a storytelling perspective.

    So the overarching theme of what Prometheus and A:C have to say is that creators are flawed, their creations are flawed, and the cycle we're part of is flawed. These are not new ideas, and they're not presented with a level of sophistication or depth that provides a different perspective or even something as compelling as the Greek mythology the films borrow from. As a thought experiment, it doesn't go far enough. There's no light of realisation at the conclusion, no catharsis, and no resonance. It's just an idea that terminates itself: what if our creators were fallible? (Answer: oh em gee. What else? Hm. Right. There is not anything else.)

    Is there value in that? Sure, I guess, if it's welded to a human story that works as low-key counterpoint. But how do you work that into a series that's primarily about an entirely tangential set of forces (corporate greed, the human penchant for survival, the ingrained horror of our own everyday biology, and the fear of the unknown)?

    You don't. It's really that simple. It's a spectacular misjudgment as far as I'm concerned because unless you're a screenwriting prodigy that combines the talents of Kubrick, Clarke, Dick and Spielberg's mastery of the economy of each shot that goes into a movie, with that many moving parts what you'll end up with is an explosive mess. And Scott and Lindelof & co. went with it anyway. It's fundamentally narcissistic in concept and execution.

    Which is of course the focus of this entire rant. While that self-reflexivity might be pleasing from one angle (of course humanity would stare into the face of the unknown and see themselves staring back, they're self-obsessed!), the feeling I had when they cracked open that Space Jockey's helmet in Prometheus and revealed a human face, was a sense of disappointment so palpable that I could have held it in my hands.

    I realised then that what was in my hands was, in fact, my own face, because that's about all anyone can do when they can't contain their disappointment.

    And that's funny, isn't it. Because self-reflexivity is such a fucking bitch.
    Last edited by Sulphur; 10th May 2019 at 03:51.

  23. #4648
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    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    The main reason so many are pissed is because of the wonder of who the space Jockey's were. Then we get these 2 movies and they were an absolute joke.

  24. #4649
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    Location: Switzerland
    Someone - possibly multiple someones - mentioned that Alien: Covenant could've been a Blade Runner film, and I agree: take out the Alien tie-ins, and possibly the story it tells, and the characters it creates with David and Walter, would have resonated more and better with that particular universe.

  25. #4650
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    I wouldn't mind understanding why David, an artificially sentient life form designed by humans blessed with hindsight and fine-grained control over their work, was programmed into being with the psychological makeup of a homicidal manchild, that's for sure.

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