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  1. #1
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    Beirut Blast

    2020 can't end soon enough.

    A massive blast in the dock area of Beirut has devastated the city, killed at least 78 people so far, and injured thousands. Also the port's massive grain silos have been damaged and the contents are too badly contaminated to be used.



    Apparently an accident in a fireworks factory ignited an adjacent explosives storage warehouse. I shit you not. The explosives were being stored so they could later be disposed of """safely""".

    I am sure there is more and worse news to come.

    Poor Beirut.

  2. #2
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    I don't believe that fireworks factory story. How you going to be having a fireworks factory next to an explosives storage warehouse now? You'd think they'd keep things like this apart.

    I'll wait and see what new info comes out over the next few days.

    Scary explosion though!

  3. #3
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    I know. The fireworks story sounds very dubious but that's what's being floated right now, along with speculation it was a terror attack and/or a tactical nuke, neither of which pass muster, IMHO.

    I probably should not have proffered any speculations at all. Sorry about that.

  4. #4
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    The way this years going, wouldn't surprise me if World War 3 happened. Been a real shocker. All we're missing is the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse.

  5. #5
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    Arguably we've got at least one horseman, Pestilence.

    ...Covid-19 has kinda ruined me for this sort of disaster. 78 dead, injuries in the thousands? ...No biggie, amirite?

  6. #6
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    When we have thousands dying (worldwide) of COVID daily, just a drop in the ocean.

  7. #7
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Really neat collection of videos here:

    https://imgur.com/gallery/d5SELHs

    There was a pretty big fire before the baboom, so lots of people were filming it. ...Also, I think there's going to be a lot more than 78 deaths recorded in the next week...

  8. #8
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    Location: Somewhere
    holy fuck

  9. #9
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    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    I fear it might have an outcome like the Halifax Explosion of 1917.

    Many people were watching a burning ship, not aware it carried munitions. When it exploded, a large number were blinded by shattered glass.
    Last edited by Nicker; 5th Aug 2020 at 02:27. Reason: removed speculation

  10. #10
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    You've probably all read the news on it now, but for the record it wasn't an explosive storage facility. It was a port, and the ammonium nitrate had apparently been confiscated and was being held in a port warehouse to be safely disposed when they could get to it as the OP says.

    Actually when I first saw the video, my immediate thought, the only explosion that looked anything like that that I've ever seen before, was a video of an industrial accident exploision that had happened in a town called West, Texas, in 2013, and that was also ammonium nitrate. The other notable time I recall it being used was for the Oklahoma City domestic terrorist bombing in 1995 which gouged out an entire 10-story building from something fit inside a van parked out front. The stuff clearly needs to be regulated incredibly strictly.

    I don't know the facts of the case, but it might have been a kind of damned if you do or if you don't situation, since if they hadn't confiscated it then for all we know that kind of explosive power would have just been used for who knows what wicked purpose later killing even more people.

    Edit: Although 'when they could get to it' is more like "being stored in a warehouse at the port for six years." Now I'm less sympathetic to the state or port authorities on this, whoever was responsible for that.
    Last edited by demagogue; 5th Aug 2020 at 02:53.

  11. #11
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Although 'when they could get to it' is more like "being stored in a warehouse at the port for six years." Now I'm less sympathetic to the state or port authorities on this, whoever was responsible for that.
    As always you speak for myself too!

    It's a catastrophe.

  12. #12
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    I'm not buying this 76 dead figure after seeing some of the shots of the aftermath. There appear to be apartment buildings that are all but leveled.

    I'll be surprised if less that 500 people have been killed.

    I'll also be (pleasantly) surprised if the initial blaming of Israel, now dismissed with other explanations I still don't fully buy, didn't raise its head again.
    Last edited by SubJeff; 5th Aug 2020 at 05:51.

  13. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Actually when I first saw the video, my immediate thought, the only explosion that looked anything like that that I've ever seen before, was a video of an industrial accident exploision that had happened in a town called West, Texas, in 2013, and that was also ammonium nitrate.
    My thought was similar, I was immediately reminded of the AZF blast in Toulouse in September 2001 (talk about an unfortunate timing). "Only" 400 tonnes of ammonium nitrate and the blast was enough to shatter most windows in a city of 500k inhabitants.

  14. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    I'm not buying this 76 dead figure after seeing some of the shots of the aftermath. There appear to be apartment buildings that are all but leveled.

    I'll be surprised if less that 500 people have been killed.

    I'll also be (pleasantly) surprised if the initial blaming of Israel, now dismissed with other explanations I still don't fully buy, didn't raise its head again.
    Israel would never do this messy thing. Mossad / Shin Bet strikes with surgical precision (see January 2020). They can kill targets of interest, not level down a city.

  15. #15
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Well I tend to agree, but that doesn't stop the haters coming out of the woodwork and blaming them. It already happened as soon as this explosion went off and before me info was revealed.

  16. #16
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    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    Some of the better coverage I've seen is here:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...032416684.html

    This makes no sense as a terrorist attack. It makes negative sense as a state-sponsored terrorist attack. Sometimes you just have to go with Occam's razor. You don't leave kilotons of ammonium nitrate without safety controls in a port warehouse/hangar just because nobody wants to claim it, and you definitely don't put a shipment of fireworks in there with it. Heads are going to roll, starting with authorities at the port I presume.

    Unfortunately, industrial disasters happen way more often than we tend to hear about in our news:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rial_disasters

  17. #17
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    Registered: Jun 2010
    Location: A Former Forest
    Tragic incompetence. Ammonium Nitrate stored for over 6 years... yeah, that was a good idea. Heywood makes a good point. Now excuse me while I get sick over this. I don’t know if it is just this incident, or the sum total of all that is going on, but I am not doing well at the moment. Nor are millions of others. Such is our fallen world. Make the best of it as you can and appreciate the good that happens. Recognize that bad will be the norm. Do your best to counteract the bad. Be kind. I’m really trying to be that person. I fail a lot, but hour by hour I am getting there.

  18. #18
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    Registered: Aug 2016
    Location: The Real America.
    What Iím hearing is that it was a welding accident that triggered it.

    Can you imagine being that welder, just being at the center? You just doing ur job like usual one day and it all just ends before you know it.

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  20. #20
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    And they expect us to believe less than 150 people died.

    I see there is a £5 million target in the UK, by some charity, for a relief fund.

  21. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    And they expect us to believe less than 150 people died.
    Who expects you to believe that? Every death count I've seen in the news has included some phrase like "at least".

  22. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrian View Post
    Who expects you to believe that? Every death count I've seen in the news has included some phrase like "at least".
    Every article I've read about this also states that 'hundreds are still missing'. So yes, I expect the death toll will rise as the days pass.

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