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Thread: Found The Meaning of Taffer! Does Not Mean "Thief"!

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    Found The Meaning of Taffer! Does Not Mean "Thief"!

    I found the true meaning of the word Taffer! It dosent mean Thief! Therre is talk from a Hammerite priest on the word and it's usage, as in sound file
    Hammer1\English\HM1C0352.WAV
    Where he speaks of the word taffer, not as a word for thief, but as a curse, a short word for The Trickster! It's like calling someone a Devil, or something to the like.
    Am I close?

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    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Scotland

    Wow! That is good. I always just thought Taffer was a general insult, but I'd never even considered that it could be a term for the Trickster.

    Of course, 'taffing about' could mean the sort of malicious trickery the Trickster would have perpetrated and so forth.

    That's a truly great discovery, by the way. I don't think anyone's come up with that before (and God knows for how long the debate has gone on) and, to my knowledge, not even the designers answered with that full explanation when questioned.

    I think that's the definitive answer on the origin of the word. Great work, I'm well and truly impressed.
    But who was I to talk, a brooding underdog avenger alone against an empire of evil.

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    Location: North Carolina

    Coolness.
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    Yea, not only that, its apparent that some use it as an Invocation to Him, "To speak Taffer is to speak the name of the Defeated advsary, The Trickster" "To speak it is to gove Him an opening into Thy Thoughts...."
    Thanks, Dave.

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    boojum
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    I never really considered stuff that didn't get used in the game as canonical.

    In any case, if we accept that particular conversation as true, it's only the old Hammer who knows the etymology, it's not a general synonym. Sort of the way you might have someone getting chewed out for saying "Gosh" and taking a corruption of the Lord's name in vain - only the truly anal would really make a big deal of it. Not that there are any truly anal Hammers or anything...

    -Laura

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    Nebula-AtUni
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    Sounds plausible, but it still doesn't explain Thief 2's: "Taff off!". I think the word may have evolved a little above it's original meaning. Much like f**k in many respects

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    Originally posted by Dave Angel:
    That's a truly great discovery, by the way. I don't think anyone's come up with that before (and God knows for how long the debate has gone on) and, to my knowledge, not even the designers answered with that full explanation when questioned.
    I remember seeing someone with that thing in his/her sig around 1999-2000?
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    Registered: Dec 2000
    Location: USA

    Very interesting. Good work, Khamoon.

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    There was an interview in a mag (forget which one) in which one of the designers said that Taffer was just a word one of them made up. It's supposed to mean "lowlife" in general.
    But I suppose its how you take it. In the context of the game it could mean the Trickster... or it could mean lowlife.

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    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Stockholm, Sweden

    Very good find Khamoon!

    I'll have to listen to the sound file as soon as I get home. BTW, is it in T1 or T2?

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    Originally posted by Dave Angel:
    That's a truly great discovery, by the way. I don't think anyone's come up with that before (and God knows for how long the debate has gone on)
    I'm afraid you're a bit behind on the flow of the discussion, Dave Angel. Kudos for discovering these soundfiles goes to Saracoth in November of 1999:
    Definition of Taffer...no more doubts! Straight from the Hammer's mouth!
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=000456

    and, to my knowledge, not even the designers answered with that full explanation when questioned.
    Your knowledge, though admirable, is limited in this area. The designers have clarified more than once that Laura 'boojum' Baldwin made the word up as a generic slur.

    See, for example,
    Does anyone know where the word "Taffer" came from?
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=14&t=006221

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    See also:

    Some interesting links about Taffer and Looking Glass
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=000478

    Finally! Definition of a Taffer!
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=000556

    What the hell is a "taffer" anyway?
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=000747

    Origin of word 'Taffer'
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=001394

    What in tarnation is a Taffer???
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=001458

    whats taffer mean??
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=002188

    Definition of a Taffer?
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=003267

    Taffer definition
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=003328

    What the hell is a taffer anyway?
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=41&t=004942

    A question of all Thief questions
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=14&t=006401

    The word TAFFER for everyday lauage
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=14&t=006770

    Just what the heck IS a taffer anyway....?
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=43&t=002107

    Ok, what IS a taffer?
    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/u...&f=43&t=002676

    [ September 03, 2001: Message edited by: Grundbegriff ]

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    Originally posted by boojum:
    I never really considered stuff that didn't get used in the game as canonical.
    Hi, boojum! May I quote you on that?

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    Registered: Jun 2000
    Location: North Carolina

    Grundbegriff, where do you get all your links? Do you have something saved on your computer listing links of all different subjects? If so, mayby you could email it to me and let me take a gander.
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    Taking a break
    Registered: Dec 2000
    Location: Orem, UT, USA

    I think links like that are in the Grymoire ... ?

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    Registered: Nov 1999
    Location: France

    That's one of the few things that got lost in the translation...

    "Come back here you taffer !" thus merely became "Reviens ici, voleur !" (= come back here you thief !)

  17. #17
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2012
    Came across this necro thread, thought it may be of interest to all you taffers.

    Sadly all the links are broken as those posts are sadly buried in the vault.

    Did a search via the search box and they only other thread I could find is here

    Is there a definitive agreement of the meaning of the word taffer and other theories of the original of the word taffer?
    Last edited by fortuni; 20th Oct 2019 at 08:17.

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