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  1. #1401
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    Registered: Apr 2013
    HD MOD have a ladder at the beginning in level "A Keeper's Training", but TFix doesn't have it. Why? Game would be more nice to play with this ladder.

  2. #1402
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    Registered: Sep 2004
    because the orig game does not have it. TFix represents an attempt to restore the original game into fully working condition while staying true to the original, and while I do have to make my best guess sometimes when restoring (or adding) something that was broken (or missing) from day one, I only do this when there is no other option, and the change is always discussed, tested, and tested again before implementing. adding random ladders at user request is definitely not within scope.

    if you want gameplay based reply, that place is where the keeper novices receive training - they are supposed to move to the training area, not climb around ladders and screw around with books.

    so no, not going to happen.

  3. #1403
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    Registered: Apr 2013
    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    because the orig game does not have it. TFix represents an attempt to restore the original game into fully working condition while staying true to the original, and while I do have to make my best guess sometimes when restoring (or adding) something that was broken (or missing) from day one, I only do this when there is no other option, and the change is always discussed, tested, and tested again before implementing. adding random ladders at user request is definitely not within scope.

    if you want gameplay based reply, that place is where the keeper novices receive training - they are supposed to move to the training area, not climb around ladders and screw around with books.

    so no, not going to happen.
    Original game.

    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    ladders are not very Maw like, and even wines would feel out of place. something will be added.
    Almost original game.

    So, if "chaos" vines are legally to add, why not this ladder at the beginning in mission "A Keeper's Training"?
    Last edited by Xmodule999; 3rd Jun 2014 at 09:55.

  4. #1404
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    Registered: Sep 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    the red caves in Maw are a place where you are not supposed to go, but maybe I'll add some easter egg fix that would help to get an unfortunate explorer out of that particular place.
    I did not mention adding wines. and even if I did, as mentioned before, while I am taking a very careful approach when fixing the orig maps (any change bigger than fixing a texture or object is discussed before being implemented), I also have to remind you that while user feedback is much appreciated, I still am the guy that has the final word, meaning I fix whatever the taff I feel like fixing in whichever way I think is right.


    or, if you want, just think of me as the benevolent ruler of the TFix monarchy - and don't forget, while undoubtedly benevolent, I still am the ruler, the one that decides what the best thing to do is.

    Last edited by voodoo47; 3rd Jun 2014 at 10:20.

  5. #1405
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    Registered: Apr 2013
    There are these 94 videos:

    1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vFTGMfgfPA

    2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV3eZyYLJBE

    3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObRSABmGZro

    4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqPalRCxQv4

    5 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsfTuAhqmxI

    SPIDER HIT GLITCH - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hrdQvNpqrY

    6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irzoVzFrWcQ

    7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJN_oiEHplc

    8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeJm42a_tGA

    9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KNcXWx30c

    LOST CITY BRUSHES - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhQFa-Np72Q

    10 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZCatA3Oipc

    11 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcJclLha-os

    12 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY0vIgh8rFA

    13 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkRWjviosPE

    14 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqSfkFAwjsA

    15 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZEy-8tgGzQ

    16 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxH4Zihy8WE

    17 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1IBhUlBY0

    18 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkQOt-smgxs

    19 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adpuuZoZNhw

    20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eTdPtGgmKQ

    21 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n--bPtf-j68

    22 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg_oG4vXBSc

    23 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-IIzGwHBSw

    24 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yz3PlVtvMM

    25 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyTTfC0EOSs

    26 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmEk2WAtZGs

    27 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PO6Bhlk5mI

    28 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5SrAIEUlGk

    29 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIlwg7J6Fw

    30 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZq6rYicRl4

    31 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=869-xgyMEfs

    32 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXwj03B55fg

    33 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVPcK1htx4U

    34 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNTikTy7Bno

    35 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmLt8SMBJFg

    36 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SJOTN0kR10

    37 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQpqtBhHdUk

    38 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJbtmPhyrw4

    39 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgg-rFXdeW8

    40 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=norz0C4VXMI

    41 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2PFUXghyXI

    42 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGmVVgFenx8

    43 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhUWj5ApR5w

    44 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMrnys6ssk

    45 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SFtSg6Uo4Q

    46 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WfZOq8bHJo

    47 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvt027NDBPg

    48 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47_5gjjs4Y

    49 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_RV4UpB_s

    50 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QeFtkFAkAU

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    5a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z48lrcx2CqE

    6a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0q1UIz6DLs

    7a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJvJn9Zm33E

    8a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCeHLG3P8s8

    9a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z915wobET0E

    10a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RUT6PTOKe0

    Fixed 11a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahT5Zu77y80

    12a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvRdBtIIekQ

    13a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjM-s9nCXBA

    14a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyXLWANxi-Q

    15a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5dXf2brKCI

    16a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFfoa5qnn3U

    17a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJvZqbvU_TU

    18a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxDXaNF-3FI

    19a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ORSOaGl9yA

    20a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_kUyTgJJ1U

    21a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDCzaUQdPiQ

    22a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snge8OwZkoY

    23a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3iBrDK1xDQ

    24a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TirjB7JUa2s

    25a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6wwlsoWpFI

    26a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYk4pUZujc0

    Fixed 27a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9DL3IRVQoY

    28a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4gSQ-jwMtk

    29a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjUjAxDPZZA

    30a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7DZBDetNfQ

    Fixed 31a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVnT6_2_KV0

    32a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj452otgdGo

    33a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWAMe77nbvg

    34a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5BJtkeHpY8

    35a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M80oRSsxdT8

    36a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FI4_QAjAr0

    37a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vct9XPnYPEc

    38a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR9UJb8ODOU

    39a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CUViJ1aApE

    40a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWQn8HJiDCs

    41a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNjbgP6Zlo

    42a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdY4y79yLNg

    43a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waaBmqWFymk

    44a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLf9KdOs7Qg

    Fixed 45a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuNxcQN-kSk

    No elevator sounds - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePs-iPiLT3M

    Visible black - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a0OOzYosGc

    It was impossible to join all video files to one file, so there are these video files separately.

    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    I still am the ruler, the one that decides what the best thing to do is.
    Try to upload version 1.20 of TFix.
    Last edited by Xmodule999; 3rd Jun 2014 at 10:35.

  6. #1406
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    when it's done™

    also, right now I'm knee-deep in SS2's SCP. which is, unlike TFix, a democracy - in a sense that what the community wants, it gets. unless the community wants something stupid.

  7. #1407
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2013
    About video "5":

    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    does this also happen in 1.37?
    This bug in this place was fixed some time ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQTZzsb4VDs

    When Garrett is in this lava ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQTZzsb4VDs ) (with active crouch button) he is like in water (because of bubbles - bottom right corner of the screen). In version 1.37 fire mage dies while contact with lava near "deaf mage" - maybe because of missing oxygen? (this lava near "deaf mage" looks like more deeply compared to place with fire mage). In video "5", when this fire mage is in the lava, he have a lot of oxygen, because this lava is not deeply? He have a lot of oxygen; with this oxygen he dies in version 1.21, but not in 1.37.

    EDIT: Maybe he breathing this not deeply lava in version 1.21, and he dies, right?
    Last edited by Xmodule999; 3rd Jun 2014 at 16:23.

  8. #1408
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    ah, of course, he may be fireproof, but he still needs to breathe, so he suffocates when dropped into lava. nothing to fix then.

  9. #1409
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2013
    This thing in mission "Strange Bedfellows" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xyg6YsKel0

    Dropping explosive mine, gas mine to place without sound propagation will be with this strange effect - all mines will be active after 1 second. Why?

    Glitch is, when all soundcards are disabled in Windows system - when are disabled all mines will explode not after ~4 second, but after 1 second. Why?

    About video "7":

    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    unable to replicate.
    How to replicate it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L35qO09EsGs

    EDIT: Maybe I reported it some time ago, maybe not, here is this bug with lamps (lamps in wall) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiXi7GX7Gro

    EDIT 2: Elevator textures - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G5kEMkZ3CE

    Blocked archer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2p16Z_X0Sg
    Last edited by Xmodule999; 4th Jun 2014 at 06:04.

  10. #1410
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: New Jersey, USA
    Does, or will, TFix include 32-bit lightmaps?? I thought it did, but I'm playing through Thief Gold via a Steam install and while the textures and models were updated, the lightmaps don't seem to be. Just curious. Thanks for the awesome patch, btw.
    Last edited by Frikkinjerk; 12th Jun 2014 at 03:21.

  11. #1411
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    no, no higher res lightmaps at the moment. probably someday in the future.

  12. #1412
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2013
    This place in level "The Mage Towers" (as in this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NPbtsbX6oM ) is still reachable by using one rope arrow.

    I detected that this key is crazy because of new invisible object "tower_walkways" or similar name, in the same place. Will be removed, like in original "The Mage Towers" map?

    EDIT: I don't understand this statement: "Unable to find edge containing collision point (File: PHCORE.CPP, Line: 6104 (Yes to trap, No to exit, Cancel to ignore)". I had this statement while playing level "The Mage Towers" with TFix's map, but in DromEd. What does it mean?

  13. #1413
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    yeah, that place can be used to bug out the physics. as you are not supposed to be there (and won't be able to go there unless you use item stacking or Dromed, or a rope arrow in a unintended way), it's not really a problem. I'm not going to move around half of the level hoping it will be fixed, and break three other places in the process. "don't do that".

    Dromed will throw messages at you when you bug things out, nothing unusual.
    Last edited by voodoo47; 12th Jun 2014 at 20:34.

  14. #1414
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2013
    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    yeah, that place can be used to bug out the physics. as you are not supposed to be there (and won't be able to go there unless you use item stacking or Dromed, or a rope arrow in a unintended way), it's not really a problem. I'm not going to move around half of the level hoping it will be fixed, and break three other places in the process. "don't do that".
    Original map is without this "tower_walkways" as "small live".

    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    because the orig game does not have it. TFix represents an attempt to restore the original game into fully working condition while staying true to the original, and while I do have to make my best guess sometimes when restoring (or adding) something that was broken (or missing) from day one, I only do this when there is no other option, and the change is always discussed, tested, and tested again before implementing. adding random ladders at user request is definitely not within scope.
    Exactly. TFix should represents the original game - into fully working condition while staying true to the original. This place with object "tower_walkways" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVi6NlVD-OY

  15. #1415
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    that is jus a room brush with EAX setting, not present on the orig map as that one is stripped (room brushes have been made uneditable). as for that place where you can bug out physics, I'll make it simple for you;

    WILL NOT FIX

    no matter how many times you quote my post with TFix description. live with it.

  16. #1416
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2013
    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    no matter how many times you quote my post with TFix description. live with it.
    Exactly - irreparable.

    Holes are also irreparable.

    Why there are no lockpicks sounds in this place - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Eguk1XhFI ?

  17. #1417
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    sound propagation, most probably.

  18. #1418
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2009
    Location: The Spiraling Sea
    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    right now I'm knee-deep in SS2's SCP.
    Can't wait for that...Do you have a projected release date?

  19. #1419
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    hammering on the last few rough edges. no date, but if ZB says we're close, then we are.

  20. #1420
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2013
    Gecko in his HD MOD sent this mod in 3 links - Google Drive, MediaFire, and Moddb. Why TFix is only on Google Drive?
    Last edited by Xmodule999; 19th Jun 2014 at 05:22.

  21. #1421
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Xmodule999 View Post
    Gecko in his HD MOD sent this mod in 3 links - Google Drive, MediaFire, and Moddb. Why TFix is only on Google Drive?
    because it's enough?

  22. #1422
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2013
    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo47 View Post
    because it's enough?
    Isn't enough, because there were some problems with access about this sole link. It was a broken link to TFix some time ago, right?

  23. #1423
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Sheffield, UK
    Quote Originally Posted by Xmodule999 View Post
    Isn't enough, because there were some problems with access about this sole link. It was a broken link to TFix some time ago, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Esme View Post
    There are mirrors but voodoo doesn't control them, I try to keep mine up to date and post the link in here when I do.

    Considering voodoo is working his ass off on your behalf for free, I wouldn't be so critical about his methods of distribution, he's doing his best, he's under no obligation to release these updates.

  24. #1424
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    more mirrors are usually added when the primary mirror is so overwhelmed that it either slows down considerably, or stops responding to the download requests completely. I don't remember this happening at any point, nor has anyone complained that the gdrive mirror is slow, unresponsive or anything. moddb might be helpful in getting more recognition, but I don't think that is required anymore, googling for "thief gold patch/update" will take you right to the TTLG topic.

  25. #1425
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2013
    I noticed that HD MOD have blood from T2, but TFix still have original blood from Thief 1. Impossible to change?

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