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  1. #326
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    I don't have much by way of comparison screenshots, but the EP Comparison Site is still up and has been updated with the changes.
    There's also a new "Variants" section on textures, which lists alternate versions which haven't been pulled into the pack. I've put every texture I've received into those variants sections, so you'll find textures I haven't had time to review there (feel free to comment on any variants that you think should be included!)

    I also have a list of most of the updated textures:

    Code:
    ancient         brd_ladl        New
    ancient         brd_ladr        New
    ancient         brd_ledl        New
    ancient         brd_ledr        New
    ancient         brd_lfdl        New
    ancient         brd_lfdr        New
    ancient         brd_lwdr        New
    ancient         brd128b         New
    ancient         brdsml01        New
    ancient         brdsml02        New
    ancient         ceilstar        New
    ancient         decor02a        New
    ancient         decor02b        New
    ancient         decor02c        New
    ancient         walfresa        New
    ancient         walfrese        New
    ancient         walfresf        New
    ancient         walfresw        New
    artdout         walbasst        New
    bafford         b01             New
    bafford         b02             New
    bafford         b03             Modified
    bafford         b05             Modified
    bafford         b09             New
    bafford         b10             New
    bafford         b11             New
    bafford         b17             Modified
    bafford         b18             New
    bafford         b19             New
    bafford         b20             New
    bafford         b22             Modified
    bafford         b23             New
    bafford         b24             Modified
    bafford         b25             New
    bafford         b26             New
    bafford         b27             New
    bafford         b28             New
    basement        darcrk          New
    basement        detal1          New
    basement        detal2          New
    basement        edge            New
    basement        trim1           New
    basement        trim6           New
    catacomb        angel           New
    catacomb        brssdoor        New
    catacomb        brsslion        New
    catacomb        con1            New
    catacomb        con1sml         New
    catacomb        cup             New
    catacomb        lioncup         New
    catacomb        xcirc1          New
    catacomb        xcirc3          New
    catacomb        xcirc4          New
    catacomb        det1            New
    catacomb        gtomb           New
    catacomb        link            New
    catacomb        xlrg            New
    church          detal           New
    church          fancy1          New
    church          fring32         New
    church          hammer1         New
    church          hammer2         Modified
    church          inflr           New
    church          paintst         New
    church          party           New
    church          pillar1         New
    church          rose            New
    church          scroll          Modified
    church          skylight        New
    church          stucco          New
    church          trim            New
    city            cfwinf01        Modified
    city            cfwinl01        Modified
    city            cris05          Modified
    city            cris07          Modified
    city            cris464         New
    city            criswd          New
    city            crss464s        New
    city            detail          New
    city            door3           New
    city            dortop1         New
    city            famrelef        New
    city            girder3         New
    city            girder4         New
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    city            rstuc3a         New
    city            rubermat        New
    city            win3            New
    city            win322          Modified
    city            win322l         Modified
    city            win323          Modified
    city            win324l         Modified
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    city            win32l          Modified
    city            win5            New
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    city            winwd264        Modified
    civicb2         adoor02         New
    civicb2         balcon02        New
    civicb2         bcolbot         New
    civicb2         bcoltop         New
    civicb2         bdoor           New
    civicb2         bmold11         New
    civicb2         bwin15          New
    civicb2         bwin15l         New
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    civicb2         mold08          New
    civicbui        colwal01        New
    civicbui        colwal1a        New
    civicbui        colwal1a        Modified
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    civicbui        obaswal3        New
    civicbui        odoor01b        New
    civicbui        owin06          New
    civicbui        owin06l         New
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    keeper          kwall04a        New
    keeper          kwall05a        New
    keeper          kwall06a        New
    keeper          kwall07a        New
    keeper          kwall08a        New
    keeper          kwall09a        New
    keeper          kwall10a        New
    keeper          kwall11a        New
    keeper          kwall12a        New
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    lostcty         borde128        New
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    maw             d28             New
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    maw             d33             New
    maw             m02             New
    maw             m06             New
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    maw             mawood2         New
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    maw             mawsto4a        New
    maw             plant03s        New
    maw             ritualf         New
    maw             root            New
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    mech            gray            Modified
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    mech            turqplug        New
    metals          jaildoor        New
    metals          plug            New
    metals          turq128         New
    mine            melevtr         New
    mine            mfloor01        Modified
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    mine            msign02         New
    mine            msign03         New
    mine            msign04         New
    mine            mtrack01        Modified
    mine            mtrack02        Modified
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    mine            mwalls01        New
    mine            mwalls02        New
    mine            mwalls03        New
    mine            mwalls04        New
    mine            mwalls05        New
    mine            mwalls06        New
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    newkeep         carp1           Modified
    newkeep         carp2           Modified
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    newkeep         kdeca           New
    newkeep         nkbwal2a        New
    newkeep         nkbwall1        New
    newkeep         nkbwall1a       New
    newkeep         nkbwall2        New
    newkeep         nkwall01        New
    newkeep         nkwall02        New
    newkeep         nkwall03        New
    newkeep         nkwall04        New
    newkeep         nkwall05        New
    newkeep         nkwall06        New
    newkeep         nkwall07        New
    newkeep         nkwall08        New
    newkeep         nkwall09        New
    newkeep         nkwall10        New
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    newmage         cryfl1          New
    newmage         cryfl2          New
    newmage         cryfl5          New
    newmage         cryfl6          New
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    newmage         cryfl8          New
    newmage         earhall         New
    newmage         firehall        New
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    newmage         wathall         New
    newmech         basegear        New
    newmech         gdpipe          New
    newmech         pipe            New
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    object          wmpole1         New
    opera           backdr01        New
    opera           backdr02        New
    opera           backdr03        New
    opera           backdr05        New
    opera           backdr06        New
    opera           backdr07        New
    opera           ceil1           New
    opera           curtain         New
    opera           mold4           New
    opera           mold5           New
    opera           moonmold        New
    opera           opceiling       New
    opera           opsign          New
    opera           opsigng         New
    opera           paper3          New
    opera           parer3          New
    opera           pillar1         New
    opera           pillar2         New
    opera           pillar3         New
    opera           railing         New
    opera           starmold        New
    opera           woodpat         New
    ramirez         case3           New
    ramirez         case3a          New
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    ramirez         doorbl          New
    ramirez         jefglass        New
    ramirez         patio2          New
    ramirez         r01             New
    ramirez         r02             New
    ramirez         r03             New
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    ramirez         r20             New
    ramirez         r22             New
    ramirez         r24             New
    ramirez         ramwood         New
    ramirez         window128       New
    ramirez         windowbl        New
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    rescor_1        oven2           New
    rescor_1        oven3           Modified
    rescor_1        tinybk01        New
    rescor_1        tinybk02        New
    rescor_1        woodbeam        New
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    rescor_2        flower13        New
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    rescor_2        stain04a        New
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    rescore         books01a        Modified
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    rescore         flower11        New
    rescore         flower12        New
    rescore         flower13        New
    rescore         flower3a        Modified
    rescore         mstone04        Modified
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    rescore         stain04         New
    rescore         stain04a        New
    rescore         stain3          Modified
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    rescore         tinybk01        New
    rescore         tinybk02        New
    rescore         wgrain03        Modified
    rescore         wgrain04        Modified
    rescore         woodbeam        Modified
    ruined          rstairs         New
    ruined          rwall10         New
    ruined          rwall10a        New
    ruined          rwall10b        New
    sewer           block1          New
    sewer           drain1          New
    sewer           iron            New
    sewer           ironflor        New
    sewer           litegrat        Modified
    sewer           pipe1           New
    sewer           scumfl2         New
    sewer           sewdoor         New
    sewer           slimeflr        New
    sewer           slugefl1        New
    sewer           stdr            New
    sewer           vertdrai        New
    sewer2          rug             New
    sewer2          rug3            New
    sewer2          rug4            New
    stainglass      stainmec        Modified
    temple          2levout         New
    temple          3levlin         Modified
    temple          3levlout        Modified
    temple          3stat           Modified
    temple          blustnc         New
    temple          ceil            Modified
    temple          facewall        New
    temple          floor3          New
    temple          floor5          Modified
    temple          glass1          New
    temple          glpriest        New
    temple          glpriest        New
    temple          glsmelt         Modified
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    temple          hamtile2        Modified
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    temple          keepgl2         Modified
    temple          stain1          Modified
    temple          talisman        New
    temple          trim3           New
    temple          window          New
    thief1/mech     rust            New
    thief1/mech     rust2rv         New
    thief1/mech     rust2rvs        New
    thief1/mech     rust4rv         New
    thief1/mech     rust4rvs        New
    thief1/mech     rusts           New
    thief1/mech     rustsgr         New
    thief1/mech     rustsl2         New
    tower2          eledge          New
    tower2          fgrid           New
    tower2          fledge          New
    tower2          gird1           New
    tower2          gird2           New
    tower2          gird3           New
    tower2          mag01           New
    tower2          mag02           New
    tower2          mag03           New
    tower2          mag04           New
    tower2          mag05           New
    tower2          mag06           New
    tower2          mag07           New
    tower2          mag08           New
    tower2          mag09           New
    tower2          mag10           New
    tower2          mag12           New
    tower2          mag13           New
    tower2          mag14           New
    tower2          mag15           New
    tower2          mag17           New
    tower2          mag18           New
    tower2          mag19           New
    tower2          mag20           New
    tower2          mag22           New
    tower2          mag23           New
    tower2          magpil          New
    tower2          magtie          New
    tower2          wfrez           New
    tower2          wmodec1         New
    vicm01          m01ceil1        New
    vicm01          m01ceil2        New
    vicm01          m01ceilb        New
    vicm01          m01ceilm        Modified
    vicm01          vic09m          New
    vicm01          vic15m          New
    vicm01          vic22m          New
    vicm01          vic23m          New
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    vicm01          vic47           New
    vicm01          vic68top        New
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    vicm012         m13ceil7        New
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    vicm012         vic49           New
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    vicm012         vic68top        New
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    vicm04          m04ceilb        New
    vicm04          vdoorfr4        New
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    vicm04          vic61top        New
    vicm04          vic68top        New
    vicm04          vic71co         New
    vicm07          m08ceil8        New
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    vicm07          vic81a          New
    vicm07          vic82m          New
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    vicm09          vic10           New
    vicm09          vic11m          New
    vicm09          vic13           New
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    vicm09          vic17coa        New
    vicm09          vic26d          New
    vicm09          vic35           New
    vicm09          vic36           New
    vicm09          vic37           New
    vicm09          vic38           New
    vicm09          vic39           New
    vicm09          vic68top        New
    vicm09          wdtrim          New
    vmaw2           clayflo         Modified
    vmaw2           foraut1         New
    vmaw2           foraut2         New
    vmaw2           forwall1        New
    vmaw2           forwall2        New
    vmaw2           thatch          New
    vmawtb          blacktre        New
    vmawwin         iceclif1        New
    vmawwin         snowcrun        Modified
    vrescor1        rug03           New
    vrescor1        rug05           New
    vrescor1        rug06           New
    vrescor1        rug08           New
    vrescor1        rug11           Modified
    vrescor1        rug12           New
    vrescor1        rug14           New
    vrescor1        rug29rn         New
    wdfloor         wood02          New
    wdfloor         wood03          New
    ancient         brd_lwdl        New
    basement        crack           New
    basement        drkdrt          New
    church          glass1          Modified
    city            door3           New
    core            brickfl2        Modified
    core            cavrgh5         Modified
    core            hewn3           Modified
    core            hewn4           Modified
    core            huestone        Modified
    core            ironwood        Modified
    core_1          cavrgh5         Modified
    core_2          ironwood        Modified
    lostcty         lc13            New
    lostcty         lc18            New
    mech            fan01           Copied
    mech            mdebri01        New
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    rescore         oven3           Modified
    rescore         wgrain01        Modified
    rescore         wgrain02        Modified
    sewer           scumflr         New
    sewer2          walcrdra        New
    temple          windouta        Modified
    thief1/city     door11          Modified
    thief1/city     door2           Modified
    thief1/city     door3           Modified
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    thief1/lostcty  lc18            New
    vrescor1        rug01           New
    vrescor1        rug15           New

  2. #327
    [QUOTE=Nameless Voice;2480190]I don't have much by way of comparison screenshots, but the EP Comparison Site

    The link times out with a malware warning now.

  3. #328
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    Are you behind a proxy server? I've seen some work-type proxies that falsely mark the dynamic DNS domain as malware and block it.

    Not sure what you can do about that. I'd need to actually buy a domain name to make it properly trusted, something I never bothered with since there's very little of value of that website.

  4. #329

    Updated EP2 Issues

    The latest updated version is causing some issues. I have not extensively tried this in the original missions, but the pack is causing issues with certain fan missions. So far I have only seen it in T1 fan missions (have not tried in T2 missions yet). I do not have any other mods whatsover running but ep2 (mod_path ep2\thief1+ep2). The issue I have found so far is with "A Sound Of A Burrick In A Room". In comparison, several of skacky's missions seem fine.

    The issues: when I go into areas like the open city areas, after about 30 seconds, the game starts lagging. When I go back into tight spaces (tunnels, small rooms, etc), the lag goes away. About 15 seconds after the lagging starts, textures like the eaves of buildings, doors, windows, etc start blinking white as if they lost their textures & the issue continually gets worse. This happens in window mode and non-window mode. I thought maybe the issue was the blinking lightsources (torches, candles, etc) that are popular to use now. But I can load several of skacky's missions that have them and they work fine.

    The previous version of ep2 does not cause this issue. Is there possibly a corrupt texture(s) in this updated pack or is it the game engine? I am running TFix 1.27 for Thief 1. My computer is way overpowered also.
    Last edited by Estel Randir; 11th Dec 2021 at 03:05.

  5. #330
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2004
    Location: Germany
    As I just posted in the thread for "The Sound of a Burrick in a Room", I recently "looked around" a bit in the current version of the EP2, and The Gimp could not open some of the files in there. Testing the ep2.crf (which is a Zip file in disguise) yielded no errors, so the download was not corrupted. Either Gimp cannot handle some of the graphics formats in the EP2 (which is possible, no doubt about that), or there are indeed some damaged texture files in there.

  6. #331
    ZylonBane
    Registered: Sep 2000
    Location: ZylonBane
    Thanks for reporting which files you couldn't open! Your post would have been completely useless without that information. Wouldn't that have been embarrassing.

  7. #332
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Constantly losing tug o'war
    Zylon you're overdue a Christmas Eve visit from three spirits who will show you the error of your ways.

    Now for a translation for those who prefer a less antagonistic approach to making a point on the internet:
    Please let us know which files you couldn't open. Someone else may be able to shed some light on the issue. Also, try opening them in other programs to see what happens.

  8. #333
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    I'm wondering if the disappearing textures happen because the graphics card is running out of video memory?

    The large, ~32MB files are (presumably) the cubemaps used for some of the environmental effects. That's... terribly excessive.
    Some of the DDS files which I received were in an unsuitable format (e.g. not compressed), and it looks like I forgot to convert these.

    That will be wasting lots of VRAM for no good reason, which could easily cause problems on older cards with lower specs.


    If my theory is right, then this small patch should help - just combine the smaller files in this zip into the big .crf.
    If that solves the problem, then I'll re-upload the EP2.crf with these changes.

  9. #334
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    I'm wondering if the disappearing textures happen because the graphics card is running out of video memory?

    The large, ~32MB files are (presumably) the cubemaps used for some of the environmental effects. That's... terribly excessive.
    Some of the DDS files which I received were in an unsuitable format (e.g. not compressed), and it looks like I forgot to convert these.

    That will be wasting lots of VRAM for no good reason, which could easily cause problems on older cards with lower specs.


    If my theory is right, then this small patch should help - just combine the smaller files in this zip into the big .crf.
    If that solves the problem, then I'll re-upload the EP2.crf with these changes.
    If I can run Qarl's texture pack full version with 10 other HD texture mods including quadrupling the size of far lod mapes for Oblivion, It would not seem like vram is an issue with Thief. GeForce GTX 1080 with 8GB vram is way overpowered for Thief unless there is something inflating the memory usage by 1000000000000000000x, which would crash the game engine anyway? I do not know how the game engine / new dark handles memory usage, but could the problem be that there are internal memory limits that the texture pack is exceeding? I have been messing around with mods for these old games for decades. Even with engine patches, there is only so much you can force the engine to render until it breaks, especially if its 32 bit.
    Last edited by Estel Randir; 11th Dec 2021 at 20:12.

  10. #335
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    I'm wondering if the disappearing textures happen because the graphics card is running out of video memory?

    The large, ~32MB files are (presumably) the cubemaps used for some of the environmental effects. That's... terribly excessive.
    Some of the DDS files which I received were in an unsuitable format (e.g. not compressed), and it looks like I forgot to convert these.

    That will be wasting lots of VRAM for no good reason, which could easily cause problems on older cards with lower specs.


    If my theory is right, then this small patch should help - just combine the smaller files in this zip into the big .crf.
    If that solves the problem, then I'll re-upload the EP2.crf with these changes.
    I added the files into the archive. So far so good. I am even up on the rooftops overlooking the entire map. No lag, no blinking textures.
    Last edited by Estel Randir; 11th Dec 2021 at 20:02.

  11. #336
    ZylonBane
    Registered: Sep 2000
    Location: ZylonBane
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    The large, ~32MB files are (presumably) the cubemaps used for some of the environmental effects. That's... terribly excessive.
    I took a skim through the archive earlier and it does appear there's a lot that could be done to optimize file sizes.

    Many of the textures are 24-bit PNGs that could be converted to 256-color with no perceptual loss. This can reduce the file size by half or more.

    There are a few 2K textures, which is excessive for anything short of a skybox. In particular the opera backdr* textures could be scaled wayyy down, since it seems the only thing that resolution is used for is adding a canvas surface texture, which could easily be overlaid by a render pass.

    The 20 Moon textures, currently a megabyte each, could be reduced to about 200K each just by resaving them as PNGs. They could use some touchup of their alpha channels as well. For some reason they all have a deep alpha fade all around their circumference, which doesn't even make sense. As celestial objects, all they really need is one-bit transparency.

    There are over a hundred Paint Shop Pro thumbnail files in various folders.

    There's a PSD file hiding in there, dbaswal6.psd.

    What's the purpose of EP2.crf? It seems to contain basically a duplicate of everything already in the mod root. At a gigabyte, that's a lot of redundancy.

  12. #337
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    Some good points there. It would be quite a job to go through everything and try reducing the colour depth to see how it looks. I'd generally tried to make any large textures DXT1 DDS (since those can be loaded into video memory compressed), but I didn't do all of them.

    There shouldn't be many 2K textures - I tried to get rid of those for anything that wasn't *huge* in game - my reasoning was that the only things that might deserve a 2K texture would be something that could reasonably be expected to take up 2K or more pixels (which would be the entire screen at 1080p or half the screen at 4k).
    I hadn't considered adding extra detail through render passes, I guess that would work for fine details like canvas.

    I'm a bit confused about the comments regarding the Paint Shop Pro thumbnail files and second EP2.crf though - I don't see those in my copy? Maybe something went wrong when you extracted it?

    Edit: Re-uploaded the archive with the envmap files fixed and also with the tweaked moon textures.

  13. #338
    After a few hours playing around, the white texture issue is popping up on the inside of a house now, but not when outside in the city.
    Last edited by Estel Randir; 12th Dec 2021 at 01:44.

  14. #339
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    I've made another update where I recompressed a lot of the larger images as DDS to reduce disk (and VRAM) usage.

  15. #340
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    I've made another update where I recompressed a lot of the larger images as DDS to reduce disk (and VRAM) usage.
    Downloading now & will continue the FM with it.

    Is it not possible the the issue is not the vram on the video card (8GB - 1080 GTX) but of the game engines limitation with such large textures? I have run a lot worse texture packs on old games than this and sometimes we get lag, but never the blinking textures.
    Last edited by Estel Randir; 12th Dec 2021 at 13:47.

  16. #341
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    Absolutely. IIRC there's a limit on how much memory Thief can use, considering it's an old 32-bit application.

    You have the same graphics card as me, so that can't be the issue. Probably just the combination of textures used in the FM overloads Thief's limits.
    Converting the textures to DDS format should still help with that.

  17. #342
    I just finished that mission. After hours and hours of playing with the last ep2 you put up, I only got a bit of lag & 1 blinking texture in the outdoor area once.

  18. #343

    Thief 2 Crashing With New EP2

    Thief2, T2Fix 1.27e. mod_path ep2 (nothing else). The previous ep2 (7-21-19) 768 MB does not cause this issue.

    In the original Thief missions, if you start a new game, the game loads fine. If you go to the next mission ([Ctrl] + [Alt] + [Shift] + [End]) and get to the start of the next mission when you are choosing starting gear, the choose gear screen comes up, but it is blank (only the frames & borders show up - no items or text), the game freezes, then crashes to desktop. It does this using the skip level and loading a save from the end of one mission starting the next.

    I loaded a few fan missions that do not have an equipment screen, some by sensut & lady rowena (she uses some default textures I know) without issue. I think that the equipment screen is the issue. Beyond that I do not know because I cannot get passed it.

    Take a look at it please.

  19. #344
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    Thanks for testing.

    I went a little bit overboard with trying to reduce the texture memory usage in the last update, and forgot about a bug/issue in New Dark.
    Long story short, you cannot use DDS-format textures in objects that can show up the loadout, as doing so will crash the game.

    I've pushed another update which should fix this.

  20. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    Thanks for testing.

    I went a little bit overboard with trying to reduce the texture memory usage in the last update, and forgot about a bug/issue in New Dark.
    Long story short, you cannot use DDS-format textures in objects that can show up the loadout, as doing so will crash the game.

    I've pushed another update which should fix this.
    Still have issues with that screen. Some missions with that screen will load, some will not. Missions that crash on that screen:

    Thief 1

    The Sword
    The Haunted Cathedral
    The Lost city
    Undercover
    Return to the Cathedral
    Strange Bedfellows

    Thief 2

    First City Bank and Trust
    Life of the Party
    Masks
    Sabatogue at Soulforge

  21. #346
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    The missions that sell mines.

    Uploaded another version which should fix that.

  22. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    The missions that sell mines.

    Uploaded another version which should fix that.
    So far so good. I started a new game for both T1 & T2. I went into the start screen of each mission (passed the equip screen & briefings). I [cntrl] + [shift] + [alt] + [end] to the next mission until I went through every mission. No crashes on either game. I do not know of any fan missions with the equip screen, so I could not test that. Any further issues I will be sure to report.

  23. #348
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Sunny Finland
    Quote Originally Posted by ZylonBane View Post
    As celestial objects, all they really need is one-bit transparency.
    Celestials are blended on top of the sky dome, so one-bit transparency is probably going to look pretty bad.

  24. #349
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Constantly losing tug o'war
    The effort that's gone in to this pack is much appreciated, however there are a few issues to report, and some comments:

    fam\ancient:
    brd128b - the original looks like it has wispy bits of sand on it, or chips/scratches on the surface, but I doubt it'll affect the player's experience.

    fam\buttons:
    These are using gif files which use the original T1 palette, whereas the original family used their own specific palette which looked nicer. Not sure if the family is necessary as the OMs referred to the obj folder.

    fam\city:
    door3 - glitch near the top where some pixels have been offset:
    win323 - .dds and .png
    - same goes for win323, win323l, win324l
    win326l - also .dds and .png, but the .dds is only 256x256

    fam\ramirez:
    r20 - same glitch as fam\city\door3

    fam\temple:
    glsmelt - .dds and .png
    glsmelts - .dds and .png

    fam\vicM01:
    frame3a - file exists in error, not in original crf. Won't affect players but an FM author might use it without realising it has no original counterpart.

    fam\vicm04:
    frame4a - I think this needs a different pattern at the top to give it a clearly defined edge. The one that currently in place is clearly a taller pattern whose top has been chopped off.

    fam\vicm09:
    vic13 - lovely piece of work but, at the top, the horizontal tiling isn't quite right:


    fam\WdFloor:
    wood02 - .dds and .png

    edit: another issue to report, but also a proposed fix.
    This is not seamless at the top and bottom:
    vicm01\vic68top

    I've edited it to make things look better. PSD file download: https://www.mediafire.com/file/dimcl...68top.zip/file
    As you probably know there are variants of this texture in all the other vic families too.
    Last edited by R Soul; 21st Jan 2022 at 18:26.

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