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  1. #1226
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    Location: Finland
    Page 50 of the VR thread! And some people said it was just a fad! A FAD! HAH!

    To commemorate the occasion, here's a pretty good VR bundle on Humble.

    Pay €0.85+:
    A-Tech Cybernetic VR
    Archangel Hellfire - Fully Loaded
    Killing Floor: Incursion

    Pay €8.52+:
    Raw Data

    BTA:
    I Expect You To Die
    Creed: Rise to Glory™

    Pay €14.49+:
    The Walking Dead: Saints & Sinners
    Zero Caliber VR

  2. #1227
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I Expect You To Die is great fun, a delightful, witty James Bond-like escape room game. Anyone who's got VR and who hasn't played it should check it out, as far as I'm concerned.

  3. #1228
    Thanks for the link, henke. There are some good games in there that I want to check out, but the bundle is worth it alone for Saints and Sinners.

  4. #1229
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    Registered: May 2006
    Quote Originally Posted by Brethren View Post
    Finally fired up the Quest 2 last night, I like it so far. I've heard complaints about the standard strap, but in my first 2 hours of playing with it last night, I didn't experience any discomfort.

    One thing I did notice though was a slight bit of blurriness around the edges of the lenses, right on the periphery of your vision. Is that a common thing? I don't get that with PSVR, but it's much lower res so maybe not as noticeable. I tried all 3 lens positions and nothing really changed. It's not that bad, subtle for the most part, but I did notice it several times while playing.

    Also, I'm not exactly sure how to state this, but gamespace in the Quest seems somewhat smaller in scale in comparison to the PSVR. For example, when playing the Persistence on PSVR, walking through the ship really felt actual size, like I was right there. But after firing up Vader Immortal last night on the Quest, walking through rooms seems smaller and more compact. I guess I'll need to try out a few more games to get a better feel for it.
    Do you know what your IPD is? (distance between your pupils) The ruler method here is pretty straightforward https://www.wikihow.com/Measure-Your...llary-Distance

  5. #1230
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    Well, the HP Reverb G2 is coming out this month and impressions videos have started popping up.



    I've been eyeing this one, but I'm not so sure any more. The controllers on my Quest do occasionally loose tracking when things get hectic in Beat Saber, so hearing that the G2's tracking isn't quite as good as the Quest certainly gives me pause. Also the narrow FOV, eehhhhhh. It's got high resolution but I dunno if that's super-important to me. Seeing that the Valve Index queues have been shortened enough now that you can have one in 2 weeks from ordering kinda makes me wanna get the Index instead.

    Tho I could also use a graphics card update, my GTX 1070 is starting to show its age. Folks who keep up with graphics cards: should I hold out for a RTX 3070/80 or get something more attainable? I'll probably be gaming mostly in 1440p.

  6. #1231
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    Quote Originally Posted by henke View Post
    Well, the HP Reverb G2 is coming out this month and impressions videos have started popping up.



    I've been eyeing this one, but I'm not so sure any more. The controllers on my Quest do occasionally loose tracking when things get hectic in Beat Saber, so hearing that the G2's tracking isn't quite as good as the Quest certainly gives me pause. Also the narrow FOV, eehhhhhh. It's got high resolution but I dunno if that's super-important to me. Seeing that the Valve Index queues have been shortened enough now that you can have one in 2 weeks from ordering kinda makes me wanna get the Index instead.

    Tho I could also use a graphics card update, my GTX 1070 is starting to show its age. Folks who keep up with graphics cards: should I hold out for a RTX 3070/80 or get something more attainable? I'll probably be gaming mostly in 1440p.
    I ended up getting one and can't really recommend it unless:

    (1) You're insensitive to geometric stability and edge to edge clarity. The Quest 2 isn't perfect here either but the G2 is worse. I would have preferred if they continued using the Index's dual element lenses but that would've been much more expensive.
    (2) You're not very concerned about robust motion controller tracking. It's about what I expected--"good enough" but certainly not great. The main differences between this and Quest 2 are: (a) With the Quest 2, I lost tracking a few cms from the headset meaning I had to be a little careful with aiming firearms, but with this you actually have to keep your hands extended out a few more cms and (b) the Quest 2 has a wider tracking FOV and does better prediction even when you're outside of the FOV of the cameras. On the G2, you kind of have to hold the controllers a bit in front of you because otherwise they "lock up" instead of just estimating based on the IMUs. It may not seem substantial but it means you have to be more conscious of what you're doing in VR, which adds frustration and breaks immersion.

    But the pixel density in the center of the display is absolutely incredible, as are the colors (for LCD). Once all headsets reach this density I doubt I'll care very much about pixel density improvements--other things matter much more. FOV is about the same as Quest 2. But as far as immersion and comfort go, I find it doesn't really compare to the Index. And yes, it would absolutely destroy your 1070 at any appreciable resolution (except in potato games). They must have changed things up from the prototype models because unlike the G1 the G2 requires the typical 40% oversampling of each dimension of the display as part of distortion correction (as with Index, Quest, Rift, Vive, etc etc), so the render resolution is actually ~3kx3k per eye (not 2160x2160).


    As for what to get, might be worth waiting a little longer to see what this is about https://twitter.com/benz145/status/1328836977710440448

  7. #1232
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    Thanks for the impressions, woah.

  8. #1233
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    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by henke View Post
    Tho I could also use a graphics card update, my GTX 1070 is starting to show its age. Folks who keep up with graphics cards: should I hold out for a RTX 3070/80 or get something more attainable? I'll probably be gaming mostly in 1440p.
    If it has to be Nvidia, get the 3080 when it's available at normal prices again. Price to performance, you're likely to get more out of it for longer, especially since the tech race is heating up now that AMD is back in the game.

  9. #1234
    I am anxiously awaiting the Steam Autumn sale (which should hit this week) so I can add some VR games to my library. Any recommendations on "must have" titles that I should try out, that would be available in the Steam store? Maybe something in your own personal top 5 or 10?

    Since I'm new to VR, it doesn't have to be anything that was released recently. Some stuff that I've already played that might make your list would be: Superhot, Moss, Rez Infinite, No Man's Sky, Borderlands 2, Skyrim, plus the games listed a few posts up in the recent VR Humble Bundle.

  10. #1235
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    Registered: May 2006
    Half-Life: Alyx obvously.

    But depending on your preferences, also consider:
    Jet Island
    Onward
    Windlands 2
    Star Wars Squadrons
    Paper Beast
    H3VR
    IronWolf
    Eleven: Table Tennis
    Population One
    Talos Principle VR
    VTOL VR
    Red Matter

  11. #1236
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    not sure if I've mentioned this but BEAT SABER
    also PISTOL WHIP
    American Truck Simulator
    Conductor
    Sprint Vector
    The Invisible Hours

  12. #1237
    Thanks for the suggestions, keep them coming. The only one of those I've played is Pistol Whip, which I did pick up thru the Oculus store.

    Speaking of, it looks like Asgard's Wrath is free for anyone who picked up a Quest 2 from the launch date up to the end of January 2021. I've heard great things about it, just hoping my PC can handle it.

    https://www.vrfocus.com/2020/11/the-...uest-2-owners/

  13. #1238
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    Registered: Sep 2002
    Location: Pennsylvania
    They're not the same as real VR games, but Alien Isolation and Subnautica are both great in VR, even playing with a regular controller (or possibly kb & mouse, but I didn't try that).

  14. #1239
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I'd second that. While both are clunky in one way or another, they are among my favourite VR experiences yet - possibly with some tweaks, especially in the case of Subnautica. It may sound like a tiny thing, but just the fact that you have to look up and down physically made me feel the terror of the deep more keenly and made those last-minute ascents (will I make it to the surface before I run out of oxygen?) more thrilling. It's such a basic physical movement, but perhaps it's exactly because it is so basic that it works in a way that I never has for me when playing on a screen.

  15. #1240
    Thing What Kicks
    Registered: Apr 2004
    Location: London
    I'm a massive fan of Polybius, and it's an absolute bargain at 5.19 on Steam at the mo.

  16. #1241
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    Location: Finland
    Been meaning to do this for half a year now, but finally went ahead and ordered a Valve Index.

    I could really use a GFX card upgrade from my GTX 1070 as well, but now I'm kinda doubting my case could even fit the full 30 centimeters of a RTX 3080. Also I only got PCIe 3 but it says it requires PCIe 4? Man... maybe a full computer upgrade is in order. I'd keep my SSD drives but switch out pretty much everything else.

  17. #1242
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    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: melon labneh
    You'll see a massive performance increase by upgrading your GPU, a 1070 will not be enough to play comfortably at 120 Hz, which is so, so nice. Two things to know about the Index: internal reflections and glare are awful (like, if there is a small white on black logo in the center of the screen, there is not a single pixel in your field of vision that will not contain some of that glare bleeding through) and the black levels are very sad. But everything else makes up for it.

    Since we are talking about faves, this speaks about the state of VR games at least in my subjective view, but my best single player gaming experience in VR has been a non-VR original Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice, on the same level as HL:Alyx + custom maps. I hadn't played it before and was blown away, I didn't expect third person to work so well in VR, the port is amazing.

    Other SP games I liked: Beat Saber, Pistol Whip, Elite: Dangerous, Superhot, Rez Infinite, Paper Beast, The Exorcist VR, Overload, Budget Cuts
    Multiplayer faves: Vivecraft, Windlands 2 and Onward before the massive downgrade (don't buy it now if you're on PCVR)
    Also try out the Goldeneye 64 maps ported to HL:Alyx by ChimonaHehe, especially The Dam. They are really good, really different from the base Alyx game (and actually better IMO, the combat in Alyx is soooooooo slooow)

    Next games for me to try out:
    • Reentry
    • SW Squadrons, as long as it does not need to install an EA launcher such as Origin to run (does it?)
    • Vertigo Remastered
    • The Room VR: A Dark Matter
    • Doom 3 and TDM VR
    • Polybius, thanks for the recommendation HOLY NAUSEA BATMAN!! I can take fast 6DOF movement in VR but mess with stereo separation and I'll have you refunded you in a microsecond
    • Compound (liked the demo, but the full game is quite expensive)

    Can't wait for VR support in FS2020.
    Last edited by Briareos H; 26th Nov 2020 at 16:30.

  18. #1243
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    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by henke View Post
    Also I only got PCIe 3 but it says it requires PCIe 4? Man... maybe a full computer upgrade is in order. I'd keep my SSD drives but switch out pretty much everything else.
    I very much doubt the 3080 would actually need PCIe gen 4, as I don't think it will fill the bandwidth for gen 3 and it should work on gen 3 regardless, because they are backward and forward compatible.

    I'd say whether you need a full upgrade depends more on the CPU you're running.

  19. #1244
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    Location: Finland
    I got an 8-core i7-4770K 3.5GHz, which is probably ok.

    Guess it's possible I might only really need a new, bigger case.

  20. #1245
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    Registered: May 2004
    Yeah, it should last a while longer, if you're satisfied with it now. But you would need a new case sooner or later, so might as well get one. There have been some pretty good cases for very affordable prices around recently.

    For example, Phanteks 400A is just great and can be fairly affordable, if you can find one in stock. You can get a "digital" verson with RGB bling, if you're into that sort of thing (and it also comes with an extra fan, which makes it even cooler).

    I myself have a Cooler Master NR600 that's a bit older by now, but you can pick it up fairly cheap as a result and, true to its name, it's like a refrigerator, especially if you add a fan to the front (which you absolutely should). You can even find a version with an optical drive bay, if you happen to be into retro cases or something.

    Either one of the cases has plenty of GPU clearance and would be able to fit a 3080 easily.

  21. #1246
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    If anyone would like some Steam codes for VR games (they're the ones from the Humble Bundle that I either already have or am not interested in):

    - I Expect You To Die: EMLEW-E9QVM-6LZKD
    - Archangel: Hellfire - Fully Loaded: RTB5G-IA8HM-EAYZM
    - A-Tech Cybernetic: 9TQ5A-84F78-GXA35

  22. #1247
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Oh, and after finding out that Paper Beast only runs like shit on SteamVR (at least with my Oculus Rift S setup) and that it launches in Oculus native mode if you don't go via SteamVR, I've fallen in love with it. It may not be a brilliant game, but it creates a wonderful surreal world that's a joy to inhabit. Well worth checking out, even if it's probably more of an experience than a game (and depending on what your thoughts are when you read this, you'll know whether it's a game/experience for you).

    I then booted up Star Wars Squadrons, hooked up my HOTAS and indulged in that childhood fantasy of piloting an X-Wing or a TIE Fighter. It's only the second game I've played it (I had about a month of barely any VR time at all) and the first time with HOTAS, and while I suck, it is highly enjoyable.

  23. #1248
    Had a little Black Friday fun over at the Oculus store this morning. I don't know much about their sales compared to Steam, but it seems like they're running some decent deals. It's only good for today, btw. I picked up most of this stuff at 50% off (or more):

    Stormland
    Lone Echo
    Xing The Land Beyond
    Edge of Nowhere
    Wilson's Heart

    I also grabbed In Death Unchained for the Quest 2, only 20% off but it's a game I've been wanting to snag for awhile anyway.

  24. #1249
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    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: melon labneh
    Paper Beast was smooth as silk for me using SteamVR. I loved it, and I think it's a bit more of a game than what Thirith credits it for. There are definite elements of god game, although in the service of a very contemplative experience.

    SW Squadrons needs an EA account so fuck that shit. I'll pirate it one day.
    Vertigo (Remastered) is a very enjoyable and not too clunky FPS adventure, I don't know how it compares to the 2016 original and I assume they brought in a lot of modern systems. I was pleasantly surprised at how fun and polished it is.

    Next is The Room, which already seems quite beautiful and atmospheric but displays very strange controller bugs and stutters.
    I would love to test Lone Echo but I'd need Revive and I'm not sure it's going to play well with my system.

    I also would love to test this port of Morrowind / OpenMW to VR but I'm not sure I have the patience to properly set it up, especially as I know I'll be disappointed by how awkward the gameplay ends up being.

  25. #1250
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    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: melon labneh
    The Room VR was great. A bit on the expensive side, but it's a good and very atmospheric experience. It uses VR beautifully with a few really inspiring tricks, and the puzzles are nice as per usual fare with The Room. I can really recommend it, I just wish it was twice as long.

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