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Thread: New Program: ConvMaster

  1. #1
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Formby, NW England

    New Program: ConvMaster

    After looking at NewDark's DML system (setting object properties by reading text files) I decided to write a program to make conversations easier to manage. Sometimes convs need to be tweaked. Actions need to be rearranged, or even entire steps. ConvMaster makes this very easy. You can export a conv from Dromed (see the readme), save it in ConvMaster and then load it back in Dromed.



    Download link:

    Version 2.0.1
    Last edited by R Soul; 27th Aug 2017 at 17:23.

  2. #2
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2009
    Location: The Spiraling Sea
    Nice work!...Thanks Robin...

  3. #3
    d. 30.4.16 Always remembered
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: in our hearts
    May the Builder bless you for this!
    I was just setting up a conversation which was making me mad when I had to stop with Dromed.
    Thanks!

  4. #4
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    Works GREAT! Thank you.

  5. #5
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Fields of bluegrass
    Thanks so much for this Robin! I'm sorry I was never able to test it properly, but I'll be sure to use it in the future. What a godsend!

  6. #6
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Formby, NW England
    Version 1.1 is out.

    Some changes to the shortcuts. The ones that were Ctrl someting are now Alt something. This frees up a few Ctrl letters for the menus (Ctrl S: save etc).
    Each step now has a comment box.

    And there's an Undo system.



    http://www.mediafire.com/download/37...Master_1.1.zip

  7. #7
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    Woot woot! Thank you!!


    Readme / help issues
    Readme and Help still say ctrl and not alt (e.g. Ctrl 5 and not Alt 5).

    What are the new ctrl keys? Ctrl s = save now? Is Ctrl z the undo? Is Ctrl y a redo?

    Please update Readme and Help with all the hot key definitions.

    Edit- Ctrl z does the undo character by character but the none of the Alt keys work (Ctrl n keys still do the step scrolling) and neither Alt s nor Ctrl s scrolls to the step set in the step window.
    Last edited by LarryG; 5th Nov 2015 at 15:37.

  8. #8
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Formby, NW England
    Oops. I used the exe from just before the new shortcuts were set up. The current one has just been uploaded, with an updated readme, same link as before. The Ctrl shortcuts are listed in the menus.

    There isn't a redo system yet. I'd like to set one up but it's getting rather complicated, so I can't promise anything.

  9. #9
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    Great. I'll download and check it out.

    Redo is least important to me. I rarely use it any any application. I was just asking what was implemented so I could know what to check for.

    Edit: Undocumented but working hot keys: Ctrl c, Ctrl v, Ctrl x

    Alt n going from step on the left to an off-screen step on the right only scrolls the window as far as the step label. It doesn't get the whole of the step "frame" visible. On the other hand, going from a step on the right to an off-screen step on the left gets the whole of the frame visible. Same behaviour with Alt s.
    Last edited by LarryG; 5th Nov 2015 at 19:25.

  10. #10
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Formby, NW England
    The scrolling problem was caused by me changing the text label at the stop (Step #). The scroll method scrolls the form until the entire thing is visible. I had been using the Step # label, which was the full width of the step with the text centered. The step lables are now smaller, hence the scrolling problem. I've fixed the problem now.

    And I've backtracked on using Alt. A standard Windows feature is for that to highlight menu options, but that causes scrolling problems. So it's back to Ctrl for all shortcut keys except Alt F4, another standard Windows one.

    This means there's a conflict between two lots of Ctrl S. I've removed the one for scroll to step because I reckon no-one will use that, especially with the number shortcuts.

    Here is the download link for 1.1.1:
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/v5...ster_1.1.1.zip

  11. #11
    Member
    Registered: Sep 1999
    Location: Austin, TX
    Love your tools man! Can't wait for goalmaster!

  12. #12
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Fields of bluegrass
    I had forgotten you made this! I will be using this for the rest of the conversations in Waterfront Racket.

  13. #13
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    Works like a charm for me! Love it.

  14. #14
    Member
    Registered: May 2001
    Location: Boston MA
    Sweet. Not at the stage yet in my mission to add conversations, but each time I get there I have to relearn how to do them and it is always a big pain. Thanks Robin.

  15. #15
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: netherlands
    what a great tool.
    working on conversations never was so easy...

    thank you so much!!

  16. #16
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    I don't see a way to delete/cut a step. If you right-click there is a menu which offers to clear a step, cut a step, copy a step, and paste a step. But there is no delete a step. Also cut a step copies the step and then clears it, but does not actually cut it, as cutting would involve moving all steps to the right one step to the left. Delete should do the same without the copying first.

    Also after copying or cutting a step, I would expect paste a step to be enabled, but it doesn't enable for me at all.
    Last edited by LarryG; 30th Aug 2016 at 21:20.

  17. #17
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Formby, NW England
    For cut and then paste, the second right click has to be at the top (i.e. right click on any of the 'Step #' labels). And I see what you mean about deleting as opposed to clearing.

    Unfortunately you'll have to learn to live with it because I lost the source code. And I'm not going to find it in a bag.

    I'm usually very careful with my source code. I have the code for pretty much everything else I've ever written, even tiny things I wrote to test things I was trying to learn about. But not ConvMaster for some reason.

  18. #18
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    Well that's a bummer.

    And no. There is nothing I've found that activates paste a step. Cut/past works fine for actions, but not for steps. The second right click at the top (i.e. right click on any of the 'Step #' labels) doesn't work either.

    Oh well. As is, it's still better than what DromEd provides.

  19. #19
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Formby, NW England
    Just to be clear about cut and paste, this is where I have to right click to get paste step to work:


  20. #20
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    Ah. On the text Step n. I was right clicking everywhere else.

    Unfortunately the cut still only copies and clears, and not copies and deletes. Sigh.

  21. #21
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Formby, NW England
    I've started re-writing it. Reading/writing the dml file is almost done, with just a few formatting things to sort out, then it's on to that right click menu.

  22. #22
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    You are a saint!

  23. #23
    Desperately Dodgy Moderator
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Fields of bluegrass
    Wow, that's dedication! Thanks Robin.

  24. #24
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Formby, NW England
    After I got the NewDarkLoader working properly after it's latest set of changes, I resumed work on ConvMaster. It's going well. The undo system works better this time, e.g. undoing a 'swap step' does the whole thing at once rather than one input at a time. All that's left is to redo the right click menus.

    I also discovered a program that does a good job of recovering the source code from the .exe, which is only possible because of the way .net programs work. It's not quite the same, so I wouldn't try to rebuild the project with it. I only found this program recently, well after I'd already redone the dml reading, data storing, and dml writing parts of the code. The benefit is that that code is better written, and that may have taken less time than to have tried to get the recovered source code working.

    It's good for reference, e.g. I can see the copy and paste code, and I've already used it to redo the 'scroll to step #' feature.
    Last edited by R Soul; 13th Oct 2016 at 20:40.

  25. #25
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    Great!

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