Reply With QuoteI won't be voting today. Why you ask? Because the weather's great in Lyon, I don't have to go to work and my proxy can bloody well do it for me
I guess the one advantage to being home sick is that I can vote anytime.
+1 Remain
I won't be voting today. Why you ask? Because the weather's great in Lyon, I don't have to go to work and my proxy can bloody well do it for me
Lazy foreigners...
I'm trying to remember what I voted last time. I'm pretty sure it was a yes then as well. I don't know what it means to be British, I wasn't born here, I don't have a home town etc. I'm a European. If I believed in an Almighty, I'd be praying right now.
S'ok. I was born in the Soviet Union. Doesn't make me Soviet. And a professor I met once joked that since he had lived in Finland for 40 years, he's twice as Finnish as his students (he left Isle of Man when he was 20). It's the sum of your experiences that makes you who you are, not some label.
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I think you'd struggle to rig something that big, electoral fraud isn't unknown in the UK and certainly postal voting and proxy voting are fairly open to it. It's hard to do that much about it without making actual real voters unable to vote though.Originally Posted by MoroseTroll
I'm watching this document from YouGov, and there are a few lines that seem strange a bit:
How can this be possible, to rig a referendum in Britain? I mean, why so many people (28%) don't trust... um... their government?
Sensible punishments for anyone caught doing it would probably help a little but generally people trying to rig elections don't expect to get caught. The last person found guilty of rigging an election in the UK got banned from running again for 5 years and costs of £250k awarded against him, I don't think he paid much of it though.
I think it's an absolute certainty that there will be widespread small scale fraud on both sides. It's unlikely to be enough to make a big difference overall though.
I believe Brits should leave just to see where right populism leads to. Ultra rights and EUsceptics are on the rise in the EU too, lets give them what they want.
I won't be voting today. Why you ask? Because the weather's great in Lyon, I don't have to go to work and my proxy can bloody well do it for meYes, you see now why people want to leave, huh? HUH?
How long until the final results are in, by the way? And will there be any intermediary results in the mean time?
I'm European. The UK is like my home town and I've moved down the road to France.
You must remember that Europe isnt an island though.
caffeinatedzombeh: The higher stakes, the stronger temptation... to push the scales a bit. Perhaps I'm looking like a cynic, but that horrible murder of Jo Cox MP - could it be that little push I'm talking about?
She was murdered by a far right extremist because she supported allowing in Syrian refugees and the Remain campaign from what we can tell. Why, is there some new information that suggests he was a hired assassin?
Polls close at 10pm so depending on how they're counting and releasing results I'd expect to start seeing stuff at about midnight. Final result at maybe 4am onwards? maybe even as late as sensible o'clock if it's extremely close and a high turnout.
Postal vote for staying in was sent the other week.
He could be a person with unstable mind condition under someone's influence, i.e. some kind of a zealot who thinks he's a hand of god, etc.
BTW, how often far extremists murder MPs because of Syrian refugees in Britain? The Syrian crisis has begun more than 5 years ago, so why that murderer did what he did just a few days ago? Someone can say it's just a coincidence, I can say it's not.
My father is an Irish citizen; if Britain votes to leave the EU then I would have no hesitation in replacing my British passport with an Irish one when it runs out next year.
why so many people (28%) don't trust... um... their government?
Who the hell would trust a government? Did you trust the US government when GW Bush was in charge? That's how those of us far-righters feel these days. Not that Bush was anything good either.
Yeah, but Irish vs. German? I'd swap with you anytime. (Which is totally irrational - a passport doesn't define me, so why would I resist getting a German one if I could and if it's advantageous?)
Nobody really seems to hate the Irish, they are definitely more internationally popular than the British and the Germans, so that is a consideration. The main thing is retaining your EU privileges though.
At the moment the betting is heavy odds on for Remain, but I can't help feeling it'll end up being scary close.
sorry for being ignorant but is this a compulsory vote?
I have this fear - no idea if there's anything to it or not - that Brexit would deal a deep, possibly deadly wound to the EU. At least in historical terms, I'd say it's the UK, Germany and France that are central to the idea of Europe, and there are growing numbers in the latter two countries that would also jump at the chance of leaving if they were given a say.
All Western countries position themselves as a democracies with a looong history. I think that would impossible if their people wouldn't trust their governments.
If I was a US citizen, I guess I wouldn't.
Wow, have we found the one relentlessly sunny, trusting optimist left in the world? I've never spoken to anyone in any nation who was even halfway satisfied with the job their government was doing.
And who could blame him.
No it isn't.
For sunny Finland? I... suppose.And who could blame him.
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