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  1. #76
    Registered: May 2004
    Apparently, at some point the Cats musical had a version with buttholes:

    It’s not often an interview begins with the words, “Tell me about the buttholes.” Ask any Cats fan, however, and they’ll regale you with tales of the $100 million-losing Hollywood disasterpiece’s elusive “Butthole Cut.”

    The root of Cats’ muddied visual effects, it turns out, might have been more than just a time-crunched production. Director Tom Hooper, a source alleges, had no idea what an animated production entails—and he made life hell for the visual effects artists struggling until the bitter end to figure out what he wanted.

    Cats was already halfway complete when the buttholes first showed themselves, a source who worked on the film’s visual effects recalled in a recent interview: “When we were looking at the playbacks, we were like, ‘What the hell? You guys see that?!’”

    “We paused it,” the source said. “We went to call our supervisor, and we’re like, ‘There’s a fucking asshole in there! There’s buttholes!’ It wasn’t prominent but you saw it… And you [were] just like, ‘What the hell is that?... There’s a fucking butthole in there.’ It wasn’t in your face—but at the same time, too, if you’re looking, you’ll see it.”

    The rogue anuses, we should probably note, were not part of any concerted artistic vision. As the source put it, “There was nobody that said, ‘We want buttholes.’ It was one of those things that just happened and slipped through.” And indeed, one poor, unfortunate soul was subsequently hired to squeegee them out.


    The visual effects source I spoke with described the situation as “almost slavery,” and recalled working 90-hour weeks for months. Some colleagues, they recalled, stayed in the office for two or three days at a time, sleeping under their desks. But worst of all, the source said, was the treatment visual effects staff received from Tom Hooper. The director, the source alleged, has no idea how animation works—but that did not stop him from sending crew members individual emails denigrating their work. (Hooper and distributor Universal Pictures did not respond to multiple requests for comment.)

    Before visual effects artists fully render sequences for animated films, they normally show directors playblasts—preview renderings that feature characters without color or texture. That allows the director to evaluate the motion before hours of work are done to flesh out things like color, texture, and lighting. Hooper, however, did not seem to grasp that process. Any time the visual effects team wanted to show the director any animatics, the source said, they had to fully render it. Otherwise, he’d say things like, “What’s this garbage?” and “I don’t understand— where’s the fur?”

    Some aspects of the production, the source alleges, became simply absurd—like when Hooper would demand to see videos of actual cats performing the same actions the cats would do in the film. “And as you know,” the source said, “cats don‘t dance.”

    Multiple times during our interview, the source described Hooper as “horrible.” Other adjectives included “disrespectful,” “demeaning,” and “condescending.” “When you go into a conference room, you’re not allowed to speak,” they said. “And he talks to you like you’re garbage.”

    It took the team six months to produce the film’s two-minute trailer, the source said. After that, roughly four months remained to complete the entire film. Visual effects supervisors were the only members of the team who met with Hooper—and by the end of production, Cats had burned through multiple.

    “It was pure, almost slavery for us, how much work we put into it with no time, and everything was difficult,” the source said. “We were so rushed on the project that we’d have no time for anything. So when people say, ‘Oh, the effects were not good,’ or ‘The animation’s not good,’ or anything, that’s not our fault. We have no time. Six months to do a two-minute trailer and four months to do a film of an hour and a half. My math is pretty good... You could figure that doesn’t make any sense.”

  2. #77
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    There's an anonymous quote from a purported artist in the 2D department that makes a bit more sense than 'our software modelled buttholes for everyone somehow':
    Last edited by Sulphur; 8th Apr 2020 at 01:01.

  3. #78
    Registered: May 2004

    Quote Originally Posted by henke View Post
    I went to my first opera on New Years Eve. ”La Boheme” at Helsinki National Opera.

    My review of operas: an opera is like a musical except it’s impossible to understand what anyone is singing about and the songs suck and it’s way more expensive.

    Verdict: don’t go to the opera.

    Afterwards we went to the city square where DJ Windows 95 spun hits like Bomfunk MCs ”Freestyler”. Now that’s music!
    You just haven't heard the right opera yet. It becomes very diverse in the 20th century (and, in my mind at least, the best opera is FAR better than the best musical). I'd recommend Berg's Wozzeck or Lulu as a good starting point. I don't much care for pre-20th century Italian opera, either, which probably makes me a shameful Italian. Also, a lot of opera houses include translations on a separate screen, which helps a whole lot - it's unfortunate that yours didn't.

    The whole of what people call 'classical music' contains equal (or possibly even more) diversity than the whole of what people call 'popular music'. It's quite unfortunate to me that many write off this music on account of a very limited range of experiences, which is essentially equivalent to someone hearing a few trite 80s pop songs then deciding that all rock/blues/soul/rnb/rap/country/etc. are bad and should be avoided.
    Last edited by froghawk; 13th Apr 2020 at 18:29.

  4. #79
    Level 10,000 achieved
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    Ok ok, I'll watch Wozzeck if I get a chance. I've already seen Werner Herzog's movie-adaptation of it (didn't really care for it) and listened to Tom Waits' Blood Money album (loved it).

  5. #80
    New Member
    Registered: Oct 2013
    Location: Israel
    for some reason, this wasn't mentioned yet in this thread. it's funny and the music is timeless

  6. #81
    Registered: May 2004
    Getting filmed live on stage...

  7. #82
    Level 10,000 achieved
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    Oh cool! Disney+ tho, we don't get that until the fall here.

  8. #83
    Registered: May 2004
    Yeah, Disney gets to show it earlier due to the pandemic (was supposed to be an October 2021 release). But it will be in cinema theatres one day.

  9. #84
    Registered: Feb 2001
    Location: Somewhere
    that aint a musical, THIS is a musical

  10. #85
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    Watched Newsies last night. 1992 Disney musical about 1920's news boys unionising when Pulitzer tries to stiff em of their pay.

    Here's a very good scene, our hero Jack (Christian Bale), an orphan, has just been invited to a friend's family dinner, and afterwards he walks home dreaming of his own family that left him behind and headed for Santa Fe.

    Who knew Christian Bale could SING? And DANCE? Y'know I liked the Nolan movies just fine but seeing this makes me think Adam West was right, why DOESN'T Batman dance anymore?

  11. #86
    Level 10,000 achieved
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland

    So, apparently there's an official Always Sunny In Philadelphia podcast by the gang themselves!? And in the latest ep Charlie, Glenn and Rob sit down with Lin-Manuel Miranda to discuss possibly the BEST episode of the show? Charlie's musical: The Nightman Cometh.

    It's a very funny episode that goes deep into the creative process of writing a musical. Just fantastic stuff, check it out! Even if you've never seen the show but just like musicals I think there's a lot to like here.

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